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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 07:00 PM
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A new FTP download site is up: "Why Diebold isn't going to sue me"
Edited on Wed Sep-03-03 07:21 PM by BevHarris
http://www.equalccw.com/dieboldtestnotes.html
This site is a mini-mini-mini version of the New Zealand download link for the Diebold files, which maxed out its bandwidth and is no longer available. On this site, Jim March boldly placed a lot of files for those who want to examine OUR voting system as manufactured by Diebold Election Systems.

He certainly needs more citizens willing to mirror. If you are willing, make the choice thoughtfully and obtain advice from those you trust. It is possible that your decision would be considered an act of civil disobedience. That said, consider copying this post and the links it contains to send to everyone you know who wants a transparent, fair, and auditable voting system.

What you will find in these files should divest you, once and for all, of any notion that we should "trust" a system that does not allow us to verify our ballot, retains no evidence, and forbids us to examine it.

---Bev Harris
Black Box Voting

The Jim March download site includes the following:
- INTRODUCTION
- DOWNLOADABLE COMPONENTS
- GEMS INSTALLS
- BUG REPORTS
- DATA FILES
- OTHER FILES
- SECURITY TEST PROCEDURES (step by step)
- Analyzing The San Luis Obispo County Data File

March says that, by making CDs of this, you can visit your local reporters and elected officials and demonstrate the system to them personally. With that also, be advised that although what you will show them breaks the most basic FEC regulations and certainly violates everything our voting system, which is part of THE PUBLIC COMMONS, should be, realize that after you pick their jaws up off the floor you may face legal bullying or retaliation.

If that happens, have someone contact me and I'll engage in the most massive publicity that I can to alert the public of retaliatory efforts.

========================================================

Appendix A: Legalities (read: why Diebold isn't going to sue me)
by Jim March

First, let me explain that I fully "confess" that I am distributing Diebold copyrighted product on my website. And I was (and am) involved in the effort to strip the encryption from some of the ZIP archives downloaded from Diebold's FTP site.

So why am I not worried?

a) I believe all this falls under "fair use". I have a history of using the Public Records Act to expose government-related misconduct, corruption and general stupidity. See also:

http://www.equalccw.com/commiemommies.html (the first time my reporting made Matt Drudge's site)

http://www.equalccw.com/oaklandzen.html

http://www.equalccw.com/sactoletter.html

...and other examples.

b) Voting is a highly "public" function, and public scrutiny over the election process is a VERY well established area of law. There have been two lower court decisions in favor of the secrecy of electronic voting systems but first, I believe those decisions were wrong and second, in those cases no specific allegations of misconduct were presented - only theoretical issues.

c) In Diebold's case, misconduct is very, VERY well established. Good God, where do we start?

· Diebold is supposed to be supplying security with their system - it's part of the contract for services, either implied, specific or in some cases, mandated by law. So they leave their FTP site totally wide open, only encrypt some files and the ones they do encrypt, they do so with ZIP encyption which is known to be flawed?

· Diebold grabbed elections data from 3:31pm on the DAY OF THE RACE in SLO County. If the data isn't public record, then what the hell were they doing with it?!

· California Penal Code 19205(c) says that the Secretary of State shall not approve voting systems that are "subject to tampering". GEMS doesn't even begin to qualify, once you know that MS-Access is a "hack tool". By withholding the info on grotesque security flaws via MS-Access, Diebold violated God only knows how many contracts plus that element of state law.

· I could go on, but you get the point.

d) The elements of "c" above lead to an "unclean hands" problem on Diebold's. In court, the term "unclean hands" applies to somebody who tries to get "justice" when they themselves are law-breakers. This is why a crack dealer can't sue his customers over failure to pay.

e) I hope they do sue me in civil court. The discovery process will be an absolute blast. Depositions will be even more fun.

f) They might convince the Feds to prosecute me criminally. Riiight. Let's see - will they be able to convince a jury that hey, this whole "democracy" thing is over-rated? Basically, prosecuting me for copyright issues and/or hacking under the DCMA would be much the same as the guy who sees a robber in a ski mask and packin' a shotgun rush into a bank, so he slashes the crook's tires - and gets prosecuted for vandalism. There's such thing as a "necessity defense" in criminal law. It applies in this case, in spades.

g) Yo Diebold: before you take me on, you should know what you're up against. Go here:

http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/Item.asp?ID=3601

Pay particular attention to the downloadable video linked in that article. That's what you'll be facing in court.

h) I have friends with law degrees. Lots of 'em. Scads. And they're gun-rights lawyers, which in California means "battle hardened sumbiches fighting behind enemy lines".

i) Special message to Diebold: you are cordially invited to bite me. Bring it on. Make my day.

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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 07:07 PM
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1. Jimbo
YOU are awesome.

:loveya:

Eloriel
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kysrsoze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 10:02 PM
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16. Diebold: They make ATMs but can't put security in a voting machine? WTF?
This is ridiculous.
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 10:27 PM
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19. They are running their ATMs on Windows too
It's a big controversy in the banking industry. The stuff I've read indicates the banks are insisting on it, but don't believe everything you read. We also hear the elections officials insist on changeable tallies and back doors and no paper trail. Who knows?

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NekoChris Donating Member (242 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 07:20 PM
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2. !!!
I am -TOTALLY- downloading this shiznoz when I get home from work! WOOT!

Can I have your babies? %)
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 07:25 PM
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3. LOL -- Jim has my utmost respect too
Damn, me and DemActivist were getting tired, running up that hill with the flag every day. And along comes Jim, whipping by us. Go Jim!
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Booberdawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 07:27 PM
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4. Best Line
i) Special message to Diebold: you are cordially invited to bite me. Bring it on. Make my day.

LOL! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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shirlden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 07:32 PM
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5. I am totally non nerd
so just sent an SOS to my bro in law who is and asked him to please download this and then he can teach me about it. Hopefully, we have a Dem state Rep here who is interested in running with this Diebold mess. I could use this to help convince him.

:bounce:

Might be a good idea for one of our tech savvy members to get this on CD for others who may be able to use it.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 08:00 PM
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6. The download is pretty slow if you're on a broadband connection
so far, running around 2.1 - 3.5 kb/sec. The pimaupgrade.zip file shows to probably have around 4 hrs 55 min left with 2% done.

Just a word to those who want to download. Expect a long download. I'm sure it will be worth it. I'd like to be able to talk intelligently about this issue.

From the information about the MS Access database that's use, I'M SHOCKED they would use something as puny as Access. They may as well have used a flat file. Developers at Diebold are either incredibly stupid or think everyone else is.
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shirlden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 08:43 PM
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7. A kick for this one
Must be a lot of downloading going on. Who else knows about this? It just went up today.

:kick:


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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-03 03:22 PM
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23. We need a mirror site
I'd do it, but I don't have the file space (or the files, yet)
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 09:20 PM
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8. One of my favorite lines:
Edited on Wed Sep-03-03 09:33 PM by BevHarris
"They might convince the Feds to prosecute me criminally. Riiight. Let's see - will they be able to convince a jury that hey, this whole "democracy" thing is over-rated?"

His "technical manual" in .pdf format, which gives step by step instructions to demonstrate the Microsoft Access hack to your local reporters, is also pretty funny.

Bev
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 09:32 PM
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9. Bev and Jim - this is great stuff
but I confess I am a hardware guy (and not even system hardware). But I would love to pay a visit to our MN SOS, Mary Kiffmeyer, if indeed this software can be brought up on a PC and something useful demonstrated. If there is someone in the twin cities who could do the heavy lifting, I would love to help any way I can. I know the name of the "Director of Information Technology" in MN. He's in charge of the voting hardware in MN (optical scanners, and if they get 'em, DREs).

March says that, by making CDs of this, you can visit your local reporters and elected officials and demonstrate the system to them personally. With that also, be advised that although what you will show them breaks the most basic FEC regulations and certainly violates everything our voting system, which is part of THE PUBLIC COMMONS, should be, realize that after you pick their jaws up off the floor you may face legal bullying or retaliation.
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 09:37 PM
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10. He originally designed it as a CD presentation
I've half thought of distributing that with my book.

Along with an MP3 of that secret meeting between THE ELECTION CENTER and the ITAA where they talk about defense industry involvement in the voting system. :evilgrin:

I think he has what's needed listed. I did the demonstration for the Seattle Times -- they need a fairly recent version of Microsoft Access, and they need to be willing to install GEMS (or you need to bring a laptop with both programs on it).

Bev
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 09:59 PM
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15. What else do I need?
you need to bring a laptop with both programs on it

Yes, of course. That is the only way to do it. How much does Access cost? Not much more than a couple hundred, I hope. Where do I get GEMS? I can get the demo up and running on my laptop (well, easier said than done, I'm sure), couple that with a PowerPoint presentation, and wrap it up with some key excerpts of audio from the conference call. I'll project the laptop on a screen in one of their fancy conference rooms using their projector or I can get my hands on one myself. But most businesses have one these days, it seems. I imagine gov't offices are the same.

I can schedule a meeting, put on my coat and tie, corral a sidekick, and go get 'em!
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 10:06 PM
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18. He has GEMS on the download site
I think he has a few versions. San Luis Obispo used version 1.17.23
The supposedly officially certified version (but now they won't give us a clear answer) is 1.17.17

You just get the install version and run setup, it's easy. Practice once or twice before going in, of course.

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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 09:38 PM
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11. BBV Warriors don't
Edited on Wed Sep-03-03 09:44 PM by God_bush_n_cheney
Scare easy...do we?
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 09:46 PM
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13. Uh! No you don't scare. Check your PM, I have a couple more for ya...
Give me a minute...another warrior for us, another hemmhorroid for them.

How do you spell hemmhorroid?

Bev
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 09:47 PM
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14. It is spelled
DIEBOLD
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 10:04 PM
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17. LOL
okay. Good luck. Get this one in writing.
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-03 09:45 PM
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12. I would love to host those...
but I don't have enough space for even one of them. Let me see what I can come up with from some friends...
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shirlden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-03 05:54 AM
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20. kick
n/t

:kick:
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-03 02:27 PM
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21. THANK YOU, Jim Marsh! And thanks -- once again -- to BevHarris!!
You guys are so totally awesome to behold! Bev, thanks for linking Jim Marsh on your site. This really isn't, as you've pointed out so many times, a Dem/Repug thing...it's Democracy, pure and simple. And it's being hijacked by the military/industrial complex and their supporters.

:puke:

O8) Great good fortune to all those who are going to show this to their SOS's!!! O8)
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-03 02:51 PM
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22. brute force
It is going to take a "brute force approach" to do so.

PM me if interested.
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sexybomber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-03 04:00 PM
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24. there are definitely brute forcer programs out there
just google "zip password recovery" and you get several of them straight off the bat.
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-03 04:06 PM
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25. I got yelled at yesterday
for discussing that.

PM me if interested.
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