I heard on Air America that Billy Graham...

[Hieronymus]

is a lifelong Democrat, and he felt for the "Blue states" He also said that while he'd talked with the Bush family about the Bible, when Shrub was younger, he had no profound effect on Junior Bush. I guess that's another one of Junior Bush's lies.:eyes:

[still_one]

1. I don't believe it

when the nixon tapes had graham and nixon dissing Jews that said everything about him

[Skittles]

2. he's ugly to the core

another hypocritical asshole

[donheld]

4. I believe Graham is Democrat like

i believe skinner is repuglican

[Iris]

17. Skinner is Republican!!???!!! Oh, my. . .

(hee! hee! - that's how ugly rumours get started!)

[Ducks In A Row]

21. if he's a dem, then he's a zell-dems

only without the challenging to duels part.

[liberalnurse]

11. Oh, that makes him a Dixiexrat then.....

His son certains looks like he drank the kool-aide......Franklin Graham.....:scared:

[punpirate]

3. If that's the case...

... then why has he been the advisor and confidante of so many Repugs?

Why, then, does Dubya credit Graham with causing his born-again status?

Why does Graham not publicly kick his kid's ass when Franklin Graham speaks in favor of the Bush administration's reactionary views? (That's telling--Franklin Graham grew up in Billy's household and has clearly adopted the views he learned there.)

Billy Graham hasn't favored those Christ favored, in the political choices he's made in life. Apologizing now, at the end of his life, won't help him.

[saracat]

7. He also has been known to say the President he most admired was Clinton.

Instead of slamming Graham for this we should be using this. Billy Graham basically calling Shrub a liar? Could we have a better advocate? And claims to be a Democrat? Doesn't that mean Democrats are Christians? This will help the blinders fall off a few eyes. We may not care about this but the opposition does,Georgie might not be as "saved"as he'd like.. They can't call Graham out as a liar! This is just hilarious and really brightens my day!

[punpirate]

9. Yes, we can have...

... better advocates than a hypocrite trying to polish his image at the end of his life.

It doesn't mean a thing to the fundies who helped put Bush in office once again. They listened to Graham when he was supporting the reactionary forces in government.

Where was Graham when Clinton was in the midst of false charges made by Starr on Whitewater and Travelgate and the Foster mess? Nowhere to be found. Graham left Clinton out to dry when it really counted.

Graham (and his son) have made political hay against the Democrats for decades. Now, we're supposed to make these people into icons for the Democrats because Graham makes a vague appeal to the "blue" states?

Fuck him and his progeny.

[mazzarro]

12. THANK YOU

I am appalled by the fact that we seem to rush for any fig leave offered to us in any guise. Give me a break with this Graham crap!

[w4rma]

26. …

[mzmolly]

29. You are absolutely right. In fact we should ask him to speak at the next

dang Democratic convention. ;)

Larry King: "What do you think of Mormonism, Catholicism, other faiths within the Christian concept?"

Billy Graham: "Well I think I am in wonder fellowship with all of them."

Larry King: "You’re comfortable with Salt Lake City. You’re comfortable with the Vatican?"

Billy Graham: "I am very comfortable with the Vatican."

Larry King: "You were preaching in his church (Pope) the day he was made pope."

Billy Graham: "That is correct."

Larry King: You like the Clintons.

Billy Graham: I like the Clintons very much.

Larry King: "You are a democrat"

Billy Graham: "Yes."

http://www.bible.ca/cr-Baptist-Can.htm

[hlthe2b]

14. Oh, son Franklin is despiccable-- when he spoke at Columbine Memorial

I was so appalled.... So, maybe Billy Graham is more moderate, but hearing the crap come out of Franklin's mouth, I have to wonder....

[EST]

5. BG has been a lyin' SOS

for most of his life. That probably is a fundamental requirement for entry to the club.

[MADem]

6. Have you listened to the NIXON TAPES?

Where sainted Billy, pastoral counsellor, commiserates with Dickie Nixon over the unfair and outrageous and dare they say PERVASIVE influence of "n.g..ars" and "Jews" in America? The bitterness, anger and hatred in his voice is mind-numbing, especially if you grew up believing he was one of those "way, way too right of center, but HONORABLE" types. By his very words, he strengthens the hypothesis that those honorable RW folk do not exist.

He's a sick, hating, hateful, but most of all, pathetic, man. How he can live with himself, I cannot fathom.

[hlthe2b]

15. Yes... I'd forgotten that..... Using religion to justify racism and hate..

I'd love to be behind the one-way glass when he meets his maker.....!

[aquart]

8. Serving both God and Mammon makes it tough to tell.

[Piperay]

10. The rethugs were outraged when Graham

came back from a trip to the USSR and said that the people there were allowed to go to church since this contradicted the 'Godless Commie' crap they had used for years against the USSR.

[bklyncowgirl]

13. C'mon guys cut the Reverend some slack

People keep bringing up his friendship with Nixon and his purported anti-semitism.

Isn't it possible that the man's changed some of his views in the last 30 years? Age, wisdom that sort of thing.

Here's a man with a deep connection with the religious community and he's apparently saying he's not a fan of Bush and his policies. Diss him because of something he said back in the 70s and you may be shutting off a chance to speak to the less fanatical evangelical christians.

[hlthe2b]

16. Yes.. people can change... but again his son Franklin is the depiction of

intolerance for other religions, other peoples, and everything that is anti-Christian about these RW fanatics. So, it does make me wonder how much the old man has changed.

[JanMichael]

18. Interestly enough...I posted about Billy Graham in 2001

One of the odd things I noticed about this ridiculous "presidency" was that Billy Graham didn't show up at the White House after Shrub stole the initial Selection...I went so far as to call the center in Montreat, NC and ask if he was ever going to the White House while Shrubby Boy was in office, and was told (politely) that there were "no visits on the schedule so far."

First time in my life I can't recall seeing Graham with the President of the US.

However, if he hates him, I wish to hell he would speak up...and I wish he would find a way to shut his kid (Franklin) up.

Stephanie

[PsN2Wind]

19. Maybe Ol' Billy

is having his Lee Atwater moment. Nice of him to come out right AFTER the election with this info.

[Cheswick2.0]

20. yes, there was a thread about this yesterday

I appreciate that Graham is trying to let the truth out. People around here are too judgemental. But then some of them are so paranoid about religion it borders on the hysterical.

[knight_of_the_star]

22. Nice to hear it, but

Unfortunately a minute late and a dollar short. If he said this on say, November 1st, then that would have REALLY been able to do something.

[KharmaTrain]

23. Graham Endorsed Nixon in '68 & '72

In a recent God & Politics thingee, CNN showed Nixon at a Billy Graham revival circa '67 (before being a declared candidate so it wasn't crossing the line), and getting Graham's blessing. I can also remember Graham appearing at several GOOP conventions, but not at any Democratic ones.

Is someone rewriting history books again?

[immoderate]

25. Graham fancied himself the "Minister to the Military"

And I believe his politics flowed from that.

--IMM

[KharmaTrain]

28. Graham Knew Media

He saw the South gutside up in the 50s and 60s and played it like a violin...waiving the flag and the cross and bluring one's loyalty to one another. The GOOP just grabbed on his theme and spun it into oblivion. All ya gotta do is look and listen to Franklin Graham and see how distorted and intolerant Graham's disciples have headed. That says it all to me.

[liam97]

24. Thom Hartmann show

phone number?

[mzmolly]

27. He sure as heck is! Google it folks.

"The Clintons and the Bushes attend Methodist services, and Graham is a Baptist, but Ross described Graham's approach as "nonsectarian."
A registered Democrat, Graham has become almost unique in modern times for his closeness to a succession of presidents from both parties."

Wow, interesting morsel to use against the fundies. ;)

http://www.detnews.com/2001/politics/0101/14/politics-175483.htm

[w4rma]

30. I hope this puts this debate to rest.

And I wish some folks would calm down about religion in general, it's to the point where some folks can't believe that any Christian is a Democrat and these folks do not help that misinterpretation.

[mzmolly]

31. Loads of Christians are Democrats. I can't think of one Dem President

who wasn't at least a quasi member of some Christian Church?

[immoderate]

32. The need is to seperate the principle from the mythology.

Following the principles of Christ is not the debate here.

It's that when one accepts irrational concepts as fact, the door is open to accept anything uncritically.

--IMM