URGENT REQUEST for DU election researchers

[hedda_foil]

Hi all,
You're doing amazing work contributing hard background research to the recount effort. Can you please help out with Iowa now? The way Iowa's recount laws are written a recount request must be requested in writing to each county with 3 days of that COUNTY certifying their results. There are 90+ counties in Iowa. We need to find out when each county certified their results. The names of the counties should be on the Secretary of State's site. The certification dates should be at the county websites individually.

No one person should be doing all of them, so could someone please cut and paste the list of counties from the Iowa site and people each volunteer on this thread to check out 5 specific counties at a time, get the info for your batch and post it here.

We only need the name and certification date each county. Nothing more.

This research has to be done no later than tomorrow (sat) morning.

I'm PMing Eloriel to monitor and guide this thread. Please contact her with questions.

Thank you all SO much.

Joan (hedda)

[HeeBGBz]

1. Theres the list of counties

Adair
Adams
Allamakee
Appanoose
Audubon
Benton
Black Hawk
Boone
Bremer
Buchanan
Buena Vista
Butler
Calhoun
Carroll
Cass
Cedar
Cerro Gordo
Cherokee
Chickasaw
Clarke
Clay
Clayton
Clinton
Crawford
Dallas
Davis
Decatur
Delaware
Des Moines
Dickinson
Dubuque
Emmet
Fayette
Floyd
Franklin
Fremont
Greene
Grundy
Guthrie
Hamilton
Hancock
Hardin
Harrison
Henry
Howard
Humboldt
Ida
Iowa
Jackson
Jasper
Jefferson
Johnson
Jones
Keokuk
Kossuth
Lee
Linn
Louisa
Lucas
Lyon
Madison
Mahaska
Marion
Marshall
Mills
Mitchell
Monona
Monroe
Montgomery
Muscatine
O'Brien
Osceola
Page
Palo Alto
Plymouth
Pocahontas
Polk
Pottawattamie
Poweshiek
Ringgold
Sac
Scott
Shelby
Sioux
Story
Tama
Taylor
Union
Van Buren
Wapello
Warren
Washington
Wayne
Webster
Winnebago
Winneshiek
Woodbury
Worth
Wright

I'll take the first five A counties.

[Vincardog]

2. Where can I find the Certification date?

I have looked but I am ignorant

[shraby]

4. Found this:

(snip)

Iowa Secretary of State Chet Culver said vote totals won't be final until canvasses are completed in all 99 Iowa counties by next Tuesday night. After that, recounts and challenges may continue through Thursday. The state will certify the results Nov. 29.

(more)

<http://election.kcrg.com/article.aspx?id=92233>


Also found this..second page, the state will certify the results Nov. 29.

<http://www.sos.state.ia.us/pdfs/elections/2004/general/VoterTurnoutSummary.pdf>

County results unofficial until Nov. 29

<http://www.sos.state.ia.us/pdfs/elections/2004/general/CountyResultsPresident.pdf>

[Eloriel]

23. I think your article (first link)

confirms information Carolab posted in the other thread, in Voting Issues:

(published Sat. Nov. 6)
Iowa Secretary of State Chet Culver said vote totals won't be final until canvasses are completed in all 99 Iowa counties by next Tuesday night. After that, recounts and challenges may continue through Thursday. The state will certify the results Nov. 29.
Link: http://election.kcrg.com/article.aspx?id=92233

"Thursday" would be Nov. 12, the final date for recount requests per county according to a document Carolab found called "Auditors Calendar - 2004. See her post #8 here and especially the pdf doc linked:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=201x5625#5638

[Monkie]

3. links to county websites

http://www.iowacounties.org/Links/CountyWebsites.htm
update:the sites i checked here dont seem to have the information

[hedda_foil]

5. Thanks! Great work. Keep it up.

[Name removed]

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[murielm99]

7. This is the third post from you that has

obsessed over Alexandra Kerry's dress.

You need to either google for the image, and drool over it in private, or get a life.

[Name removed]

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[shraby]

8. Hedda....

Apparently the county results aren't official until Nov. 29.

see post #4

[Eloriel]

24. I think not -- can anyone refute? Look at statutes, perhaps?

I think the answer is this, posted by Carolab in the Voting Issues thread:


See page 10 of this document, Auditor's Calendar - 2004
http://www.sos.state.ia.us/pdfs/elections/2004auditorscalendar.pdf

It lists the following:

Fri., Nov. 12 RECOUNT DEADLINE.
Three days following the county canvass of votes is the deadline for
recount requests to be filed in the office of the County Auditor.

Statute cited: 50.48(1)

This was posted by Carolab in the Voting Issues forum
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=201x5625#5632

She also posts this in that thread:
(Post #12)
I read on a general website table (which I posted elsewhere on DU in response to a research request last week about certification deadlines)--that in Iowa the Contest "depends on the type of election"--so does that mean that the November 15th deadline (3 days after county canvassing deadline) for recounts applies to contests OTHER than the general election? And does it further mean that the results of the general election can be contested after the November 29th deadline for statewide canvassing? Someone with legal background needs to clarify this with the Secretary of State or Attorney General in Iowa.


But I think the answer is in the Auditor's calendar.

Who has info or insight to refute this idea? Anyone care to look up the relevent statute? (I'm totally braindead right now myself -- having trouble figuring out how to make an m into a comma -- THAT's pretty bad.)

Edited to add: I think this article, published on Sat., Nov. 6, confirms this interpretation:

http://election.kcrg.com/article.aspx?id=92233

Iowa Secretary of State Chet Culver said vote totals won't be final until canvasses are completed in all 99 Iowa counties by next Tuesday night. After that, recounts and challenges may continue through Thursday. The state will certify the results Nov. 29.


Tuesday in the article = Nov. 9. Thursday = Nov. 12.

Again, can anyone prove me wrong? Try? Look at the statutes?

Thanks, everyone.

[newyawker99]

52. Hi Monkie!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[HeeBGBz]

10. Found this from Iowa SoS website.

Media Briefing: Secretary Culver Reports on Record Voter Turnout and County Canvass Data for Presidential Election

November 29 is the state canvass of votes. Whatever that is.

[truth2power]

11. Is the Nov. 29 date for all counties?

I have been looking, but individual county sites seem to be nothing more than tourist info.

I will help if someone can point me in right direction. Sorry, I am ignorant about this, but will do my best. Help please?

[HeeBGBz]

12. I've not found any info on dates for individual counties

Only dates I see are voter registration deadlines.

The only other date I've seen is that November 29 (Monday) date.

[alfredo]

21. Check for the County clerk's office link or website.

[shraby]

13. Go to this site

<http://www.sos.state.ia.us/pdfs/elections/2004/general/CountyResultsPresident.pdf>

[shraby]

14. Kick

:kick: :kick:

[truth2power]

15. I was at that site.

Just totals per county. Looks like all counties' certification dates are Nov. 29. Nothing on certification per county.

[mom cat]

16. Please also check these replies in the Voting Issues forum:

Carolab (1000+ posts) Fri Nov-26-04 10:52 PM
Response to Original message

1. I'll take the B counties


all of them

Benton
Black Hawk
Boone
Bremer
Buchanan
Buena Vista
Butler

Carolab (1000+ posts) Fri Nov-26-04 10:57 PM
Response to Reply #1
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2. Here's a website that links to all the county websites

http://www.iowacounties.org/Links/CountyWebsites.htm
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MoonWomyn (10 posts) Fri Nov-26-04 10:58 PM
Response to Original message

3. Calhoun - Cherokee


Since my evening plans just got canceled I'll take the first half of the Cs.

Cyndi

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alittlelark (1000+ posts) Fri Nov-26-04 10:58 PM
Response to Original message

4. I can do the 'G's


and will add on more if time permits

RIP - Democracy Nov 2, 2004 UNLESS WE FIGHT THE FASCISTS!!!
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shraby (1000+ posts) Fri Nov-26-04 11:08 PM
Response to Reply #4

5. This from the Secretary of States site


County results become official on Nov. 29
http://www.sos.state.ia.us/pdfs/elections/2004/general/CountyResultsPresident.pdf

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MoonWomyn (10 posts) Fri Nov-26-04 11:11 PM
Response to Reply #5

6. well okay


this does seem much quicker

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[mom cat]

17. Also check these replies in Voting Issues:

alittlelark (1000+ posts) Fri Nov-26-04 11:20 PM
Response to Reply #5

7. I hope that's what they're looking for


The county by county was not working for me. Skimpy websites.

RIP - Democracy Nov 2, 2004 UNLESS WE FIGHT THE FASCISTS!!!

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Lone_Star_Dem (562 posts) Fri Nov-26-04 11:27 PM
Response to Reply #7

9. Same here...


I have not found one that says when they were/will be certified. To make matters worse they are closed until Monday.

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." — H. L. Mencken

This is the DU member formerly known as TexasDem4Kerry.

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bleever (278 posts) Fri Nov-26-04 11:31 PM
Response to Original message

10. This page from the SOS suggests Nov. 29 for all counties


http://www.sos.state.ia.us/pdfs/elections/2004/general/...
(see post in Voting Issues thread on your request)..It is a PDF file)

That's when they meet for the official certification of votes.

The wheels of the Gods grind slowly, but they grind exceedingly fine.

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Edited to add this reply also:

Carolab (1000+ posts) Fri Nov-26-04 11:23 PM
Response to Reply #2

8. Actually I see that November 12th was the deadline


for all county canvasses to be complete, after which there were 3 days to file for a recount. Iowa election code 50.48 (1)

The STATE CANVASS deadline is November 29th. The Iowa election code is 50.39.

http://www.sos.state.ia.us/pdfs/elections/2004auditorscalendar.pdf

[xerox]

18. Help

is good!

[bleever]

19. Nov. 29 is the date for certification of all counties, according

to this, if I am interpreting it correctly:

http://www.sos.state.ia.us/pdfs/elections/2004/general/...

[HeeBGBz]

25. Link not working for me

[mom cat]

20. kick

[mom cat]

22. kick

[nephalim]

26. I'll do the M's. All of them. Let me know if you need more.

That link, though, implies that all the counties will be certified on Nov. 29th.

[nephalim]

27. OK, after a look at the counties websites,

I can't find anything to suggest the date they will be individually certifying their results. It seems like an impossible request. Phone calls will surely be necessary if they are indeed certifying their results at different dates and those dates aren't in some database of some kind.

Let me know if I should keep at it or not...

[Eloriel]

28. Thanks for looking

It seems these are dead ends -- I hate to be discouraging, but that's the way it looks to me.

[shraby]

29. Anyone know what date they finally got all the

counties tallied?

[newyawker99]

53. Hi nephalim!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[bleever]

30. Nov. 29, all counties: please check it out

“Like most of the 50 states, Iowa’s official certification of votes for federal and state offices is still a few days away – November 29 is the date for the meeting of Iowa’s top elected officials who conduct the State Canvass of Votes.”

The link I posted above is a pdf file; if unable to access it directly, go to:

http://www.sos.state.ia.us

and click on the link for 2004 Presidential Results/Turnout Summary.

or, the direct link at:

http://www.sos.state.ia.us/pdfs/elections/2004/general/VoterTurnoutSummary.pdf

[bleever]

31. Sorry; Eloriel seems to be right about November 12 as deadline, accord-

ing to page 9 of the SOS doc at

http://www.sos.state.ia.us/pdfs/elections/2004auditorscalendar.pdf

the county canvass was held on Monday or Tuesday, November 8 or 9.

But does tne recount deadline here apply to the general election? Not sure, I'll keep looking. But it sure seems like a ridiculously short time frame for a presidential election...

[Angry Girl]

32. I got T-W: no info

Checked each county individually....
No info at official county websites. Nov 29 given as final date for canvassing of all votes, that's about it.

:-(

[Lone_Star_Dem]

33. Since I was not yet sure if the deadline had passed

...I decided to check into the 2000 election when the GOP was considering a recount in Iowa. I found an archived CNN article that clearly stated they had three days from when the counties finished certifying.

Using 2000's General election as a guide the deadline has already passed.

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/11/14/iowa.certified/
<snip>
About half of Iowa's counties finished canvassing on Monday, with the rest expected to finish Tuesday. All requests for a recount must be made to a county within three days of the canvass -- either Thursday or Friday.
<snip>

My take is that it does apply to the General Election as well as county races.

[madrigal]

34. This AP article says all turned in to state already, state certify on Nov

http://www.kwqc.com/global/story.asp?s=2573589&ClientType=Printable

All 99 Iowa counties submit election results to the state

DES MOINES, Iowa The votes are in from Iowa's 99 counties.

Election officials say the results from the November second election have arrived at Secretary of State Chet Culver's office.

They were all in by yesterday afternoon. Culver had asked the counties to get them in by last Friday, but some counties were late.

Spokeswoman Phyllis Peters the votes will be compiled and rechecked. The totals will be certified on November 29th.

[senegal1]

35. kick to keep it up on top n/t

[bleever]

36. IA Administrative recount provisions, also testing e-voting machines

From: http://www.legis.state.ia.us/ElectionLaws/09conducting.pdf

“50.50 Administrative recounts.

The commissioner who was responsible for conducting an election may request an administrative recount when the commissioner suspects that voting equipment used in the election malfunctioned or that programming errors may have affected the outcome of the election, of if the precinct election officials report counting errors to the commissioner after the conclusion of the canvass of votes in the precinct. An administrative recount shall be conducted by the board of the special precinct established by section 53.23. Bond shall not be required for an administrative recount. The state commissioner may adopt rules for administrative recounts.
If the recount board finds that there is an error in the programming of any voting equipment which may have affected the outcome of the election for any office or public measure on the ballot, the recount board shall describe the errors in its report to the commissioner. The commissioner shall notify the board of supervisors. The supervisors shall determine whether to order an administrative recount for any or all of the offices and public measures on the ballot.”


Please note also that 52.38 requires that “All portable tabulating devices shall be tested before any election in which they are to be used following the procedure in section 52.35, subsection2. Testing shall be completed not later than twelve hours before the opeing of the polls on the morning of the election. For any election to fill a partisan office, the chairperson of each political party shall be notified in writing of the time the dcevices will be tested so that the chairperson or a representative may be present…” and also describes the form to be signed certifying that the machines were zeroed, locked, and sealed.

[mom cat]

37. kick

[bleever]

38. If we're too late for recount, here are the contest provisions:

It appears that the recount deadline is two days after the state canvass, according to section 60.4.

The entire body of contest law is here, if you haven't seen it yet:

http://www.legis.state.ia.us/ElectionLaws/12contesting.pdf

[senegal1]

39. kick

[senegal1]

40. kick again this is real work folks here!

[senegal1]

41. One more kick

[senegal1]

42. Kick please let us know if this one is finished.

[Lil]

43. It's on today's list - so I shall give it a liitle kick :-)

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=201&topic_id=4545&mesg_id=5877&page=>

[Lil]

44. kick and good night from Australia!

[Lil]

45. another kick for Hedda's research n/t

[Lil]

46. kick

[Lil]

47. Good morning from Australia - this thread is still on the list. :-) KICK

[Lil]

48. Kick for Hedda

[Lil]

49. Kick to welcome December - may it be better than November

[Lil]

50. one more time. g'day from AU

[ixat]

51. *thread bump*