Rove wins again

[Walt Starr]

Yep, this has been the pattern. The story comes out, the Bushies lie their asses off. Somebody falls on their sword just before the news on Friday. The talking heads whore it up on Sunday and everything is swept under the rug by first thing Monday morning, just in time for the next abomninable act.

It's happened with every scandal.

As long as there is a whore media out there, there will be no way to defeat this fascist regime. It's over, anybody know how I can get a job in the Tech sector in another nation?

[qanda]

1. And Bush* doesn't face one day...

of questioning inside the United States!

[papau]

3. WHY IS THE MEDIA LYING THAT CIA HAS CLEARED BUSH? -It hasn't

WHY IS THE MEDIA LYING THAT CIA HAS CLEARED BUSH? -It hasn't

Edited on Fri Jul-11-03 08:39 PM by papau
WHY IS THE MEDIA SAYING CIA HAS CLEARED BUSH - the statement says "agency officials in the end concurred that the text in the speech was factually correct, i.e. that the British government report said that Iraq sought uranium from Africa. This should not have been the test for clearing a presidential address. This did not rise to the level of certainty which should be required for presidential speeches, and CIA should have ensured that it was removed."

THIS does NOT say that Bush did not know it was a lie - that Wilson had not made VP Cheney aware that it was a lie - that Condi did not know it was a lie.

It only says Bush said/released a lie that we though was cute because we only said that the Brits had said this - so We were not really liars, were we? And our right wing whore media will all now agree that Bush is not a liar - but that guy Tenet at the CIA should go - and he will - and over 200 dead and over 1000 calualties will be justified, along with 6000 Iraqi civilan dead, because we fired Tenet.

Anazing

Text of the C.I.A. Director's Statement

Legitimate questions have arisen about how remarks on alleged Iraqi attempts to obtain uranium in Africa made it into the president's State of the Union speech. Let me be clear about several things right up front. First, CIA approved the president's State of the Union address before it was delivered. Second, I am responsible for the approval process in my agency. And third, the president had every reason to believe that the text presented to him was sound. These 16 words should never have been included in the text written for the president.

For perspective, a little history is in order.

There was fragmentary intelligence gathered in late 2001 and early 2002 on the allegations of Saddam's efforts to obtain additional raw uranium from Africa, beyond the 550 metric tons already in Iraq. In an effort to inquire about certain reports involving Niger, CIA's counter-proliferation experts, on their own initiative, asked an individual with ties to the region to make a visit to see what he could learn. He reported back to us that one of the former Nigerian officials he met stated that he was unaware of any contract being signed between Niger and rogue states for the sale of uranium during his tenure in office. The same former official also said that in June 1999 a businessman approached him and insisted that the former official meet with an Iraqi delegation to discuss "expanding commercial relations" between Iraq and Niger. The former official interpreted the overture as an attempt to discuss uranium sales. The former officials also offered details regarding Niger's processes for monitoring and transporting uranium that suggested it would be very unlikely that material could be illicitly diverted. There was no mention in the report of forged documents or any suggestion of the existence of documents at all.

Because this report, in our view, did not resolve whether Iraq was or was not seeking uranium from abroad, it was given a normal and wide distribution, but we did not brief it to the president, vice president or other senior administration officials. We also had to consider that the former Nigerian officials knew that what they were saying would reach the U.S. government and that this might have influenced what they said.

In the fall of 2002, my deputy and I briefed hundreds of members of Congress on Iraq. We did not brief the uranium acquisition story.
Also in the fall of 2002, our British colleagues told us they were planning to publish an unclassified dossier that mentioned reports of Iraqi attempts to obtain uranium in Africa. Because we viewed the reporting on such acquisition attempts to be inconclusive, we expressed reservations about its inclusion, but our colleagues said they were confident in their reports and left it in their document.
In September and October 2002 before Senate committees, senior intelligence officials in response to questions told members of Congress that we differed with the British dossier on the reliability of the uranium reporting.

In October, the Intelligence Community (IC) produced a classified, 90-page National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) on Iraq's WMD programs. There is a lengthy section in which most agencies of the intelligence community judged that Iraq was reconstituting its nuclear weapons program. Let me emphasize, the NIE's key judgments cited six reasons for this assessment; the African uranium issue was not one of them.

But in the interest of completeness, the report contained three paragraphs that discuss Iraq's significant 550-metric-ton uranium stockpile and how it could be diverted while under IAEA safeguard. These paragraphs also cited reports that Iraq began "vigorously trying to procure" more uranium from Niger and two other African countries, which would shorten the time Baghdad needed to produce nuclear weapons. The NIE states: "A foreign government service reported that as of early 2001, Niger planned to send several tons of pure 'uranium' (probably yellowcake) to Iraq. As of early 2001, Niger and Iraq reportedly were still working out the arrangements for this deal, which could be for up to 500 tons of yellowcake." The Estimate also states: "We do not know the status of this arrangement." With regard to reports that Iraq had sought uranium from two other countries, the Estimate says: "We cannot confirm whether Iraq succeeded in acquiring uranium ore and/or yellowcake from these sources." Much later in the NIE text, in presenting an alternate view on another matter, the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research included a sentence that states: "Finally, the claims of Iraqi pursuit of natural uranium in Africa are, in INR's assessment, highly dubious."

An unclassified CIA white paper in October made no mention of the issue, again because it was not fundamental to the judgment that Iraq was reconstituting its nuclear weapons program, and because we had questions about some of the reporting. For the same reasons, the subject was not included in many public speeches, congressional testimony and the Secretary of State's United Nations presentation in early 2003.

The background above makes it even more troubling that the 16 words eventually made it into the State of the Union speech. This was a mistake.

Portions of the State of the Union speech draft came to the CIA for comment shortly before the speech was given. Various parts were shared with cognizant elements of the agency for review. Although the documents related to the alleged Niger-Iraqi uranium deal had not yet been determined to be forgeries, officials who were reviewing the draft remarks on uranium raised several concerns about the fragmentary nature of the intelligence with National Security Council colleagues. Some of the language was changed. From what we know now, agency officials in the end concurred that the text in the speech was factually correct, i.e. that the British government report said that Iraq sought uranium from Africa. This should not have been the test for clearing a presidential address. This did not rise to the level of certainty which should be required for presidential speeches, and CIA should have ensured that it was removed.

[homelandpunk]

81. you said 200+ dead americans...try 4000+

I heard that the "experts" were now fessin up to minimum 3 years we'll be in Iraq, so my math with conservative estimates using last 90 days will mean that over 4000 americans will be killed by Bush's lies...exceeding WTC by 1000.

[Walt Starr]

4. It happened with Enron

It happened with Bush Knew.

It'll happen with the 9/11 report.

It happened now with Bush Lied.

And the mediawhores are complicit to their fascist master and continue to spread the propoganda.

I'm going to be sick.

:puke:

[hannah]

2. rove wins again?

I don't think so! I hope every fbi, cia, media peices of shit, bring down that fat faced dough boy rove. can't stand the bastard.

[diplomats]

8. I think we need to wait a bit before

jumping to conclusions. Tenet hasn't even resigned yet, so it's not over. Plus, other people in the CIA might not be thrilled with taking the blame. The damaging leaks were coming from other people, not Tenet.

[Fovea]

5. Then somebody should shock and awe the media.

Take away all the profit from whoring for *.
Maybe a big ass class action suit by families of slain Iraqis and military personnel.

[Spazito]

6. I don't think so! Not this time!

After reading Tenet's letter, I think this could misfire big time! It raises all kinds of questions and actually says that they knew that the British paper with the uranium issue was wrong and the Bush people went ahead anyway. It actually backs up the previous report that there were concerns expressed but if they said it was the British that was saying it, that would make it "technically" correct.

[CWebster]

17. Yes, it was true that the British claimed such, that was the true part

they used a technicality to skirt the obvious---that they were aware it was it was bogus. Highly unethical.

[angka]

7. ah the friday beer thirty bad news dump.

by monday morning at the cooler, the talk will be, "no, the CIA copped to fucking it up. didn't you hear on friday?"

a classic tactic, but for some reason i think it's not gona work this time. this uranium flap is the tip of the lying iceberg over iraq.

[Walt Starr]

10. Tip of the iceberg

That's what was said about Bush Knew.

That's what was said about Enronomics.

I'll believe it when I see it. It looks to me that everything has been swept under the rug, yet again.

[ButterflyBlood]

9. 95% of the people in that Wolf Blitzer poll blamed Bush

I don't think so many will just swallow this explanation immediately.

[Walt Starr]

11. That was before Tenet fell on his sword

It's over. It's now a non-issue. The entire thing has been neutralized. There are no sound bites in the statement that can be used to sweep it under the rug.

It's over. Rove wins again.

[unfrigginreal]

18. Not so sure

I don't think it will be over until we get the answer to - Who wanted it in the speech?

From what I've seen of the news reports tonight, I get the impression that the media is ready to keep persuing this. The question is will their be any Democrats with enough balls to push it?

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[Walt Starr]

50. So I guess I should sit down and shut up?

Maybe I should watch what I say?

The truth hurts. This is a fact, Tenet falling on his sword has neutralized this thing but fast.

The old media cannot be trusted to pick this thing up and investigate it. If you think there will be an investigation in the Republican controlled Congress, I've got some swamp land to sell ya.

Our only hope is investigative journalists who are 100% internet based actually digging up something. Otherwise, this thing will be deader than a doornail this time next week.

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[Walt Starr]

52. BElieve me, I hope I have to eat my words

The historical pattern on these things bears me out, though.

[RummyTheDummy]

53. They do?

I think it's more opinion than fact -- the old perception is reality do-da.

[Walt Starr]

54. When they get the old DU up, do a search

EVERY last Bush* scandal has gone this way. All of them without exception.

[RummyTheDummy]

62. Opinion.

NT

[Walt Starr]

64. I'll post a thread with this subject line

I AM EATING MY WORDS FOR ALL OF DU TO SEE!!!

if this thing is not deader than a doornail by Friday next week.

[RummyTheDummy]

72. How about a shoe instead?

NT

[Walt Starr]

73. Only if it's a cake shoe

and you arrange for Hillary to serve it to me.

[calimary]

16. TRUE. Three Wolfie polls in a row, all showing

RESOUNDINGLY negative opinion toward bush. That needs to be milked like crazy and driven home.

Has anybody bothered to try contacting the media and reaffirming these results, or to urge them to keep digging and not to let this one get swept up under the rug? Has anybody bothered to call their Congressperson or Senator to urge them to keep investigating and to stand strong?

This will go away only if people like us allow it, by rolling over and becoming disheartened, yet again.

I think the simplistic versions may be out there but they may not stand the test of time. The media, for now, seems still to be on this. It won't fizzle as fast. ESPECIALLY IF WE KEEP THE FIRES STOKED!! What's more, Tenet has yet to testify. And as Will Pitt's interview with that 27-year CIA veteran, I'd bet we'll hear more. It sounds rather odd that, after laying such a paper trail and issuing so many cover-their-ass memos and white papers and reports about how they warned against lots of this "intelligence" that they're just gonna roll over and play dead.

I have a feeling the fat lady has yet to sing...

At least, I hope so.

[Walt Starr]

19. The same thing happened during Bush Knew

It's all moot now. The CIA copped to the problem. I saw it on TeeVee.

Rove wins again.

I hate to go on and on about this, but I've been watching this crap for more than two years now. This happens every time.

If I'm wrong, the whores on the Sunday Whorefest shows will pummel the chimp. If I'm right, the talk will be about partisan attacks from the Dems, Bush is an honorable man, and everything is hunky dory.

It'll be the latter. I've seen it too many times.

There is no bringing down this administration, and what's worse is the Dems tutus will get pinker after this. It's what happened after the Bush Knew scandal too!

[Pobeka]

12. Tenet has the "Donkey Picture"

Which is to say he has the picture of dubya doing the love-a-dub with a donkey, i.e. the Aug 6th 2001 meeting.

Tenet is safe. Tenet is not the deal here. It is the career folks at the CIA who will make or break it. I look for them to be slow and sure with their tactics, but make this administration look like the idiots they are in the public forum. This will take months, not days, but the show has definitely started.

[Walt Starr]

15. I heard the exact same argument on the Bush Knew story

The career spooks were going to go public. It was all over for the Shrub.

Ain't gonna happen. Bush didn't lie, the CIA fucked up. I saw it on the TeeVee, that settles it.

Rove wins again

I hate to be so gloomy, but I've seen this crap too many times in the past.

[diplomats]

22. We all have

But Bush's problems go beyond just the Niger document. In the ABC poll he's dropped 9 points in 18 days because the situation in Iraq is messy, and the economy stinks. Tenet's falling on his sword doesn't change any of that. I'm sure his ratings are dropping in the WH's internal polls, hence the sudden rush of fngerpointing at Tenet.

[ozymandius]

46. There angles of attack around Tenet's capitulation.

This will not be dead by Monday. This story has the smell of blood in it and reporters will not let it go for that reason.

Britain looks to be a more volatile situation than in the U.S. What happens to Blair will certainly reverberate across the Atlantic. As the Blairites do what they can to save their skins one can only wonder to which lengths they will go and what information will be divulged toward that aim. Bush has a vested interest in making sure that Blair niether falls nor spends too much time living as a caged animal.

Secondly, the Nigerian forgeries are under investigation thanks to Senator Rockefeller. The week that they were revealed as fakes, Rockefeller prevailed upon federal investigators to find the source of those documents. They were faked, right? So who faked them?

An effort to forge documents held as "evidence" implies intent. Should the forged documents be the product of a member of the 'coalition of the willing', then that would imply "sexing" up the data in order to go to war. That is criminal on so many levels.

Then there is the death and dying factor in Iraq. On average, a soldier dies every other day over there. Resistance to U.S. presence appears to be evolving into a more organized operation. Today, as troops are on the ground, the kill ratio us:them is nearly 1:1. That is not an enviable ratio to sport when you are the mightiest fighting force the world has ever known.

And then there is the economy.

With all due respect, Walt, I honestly think that calling Tenet's capitulation a Rove victory is jumping ahead. Relax, it'll still be a hot topic when Ari Fleischer takes the stage on Monday.

[Clete]

13. Question?

If Rove is Hitler to Bush's Hindenberg, how long will it be before "Chancellor" Rove replaces President Bush? This last speech guffaw seems too obvious for someone as supposedly brilliant as Rove is supposed to be to have overlooked. Not one to miss a conspiracy theory, would it be possible that Rove is setting King George up for a fall, so he can insert himself into a position of more power? After all if Bush goes down and Cheney has to pick up the ball, he's not going to be able to carry it alone with his health problems. Well, I know this is a bit far-fetched but play "what if" with me. I am interested in anyone's opinions on the matter.

[deutsey]

14. We should demand personal responsibility from Bush

Truman: "The buck stops here."

JFK took full blame for what happened at the Bay of Pigs.

Reagan, on the other hand, said, "Mistakes were made" about selling weapons to America's enemies. He didn't elaborate on who made the mistakes.

Bush II seems to have never heard the phrase "personal responsibility", or he believes God has absolved him of it.

It's time the Dems (and the public) restore the assumption that our leaders should be like Truman, Kennedy and other presidents like them and accept personal responsibility.

[PurityOfEssence]

20. Not this time.

Probably more than 10,000 human beings no longer exist because of a greedy bunch of kakistocrats who couldn't get their way without lying to terrorize elected officials into assenting to their calumny.

This will not go away.

This has already passed the sniff test.

People KNOW he lied.

The term "Faith Based Weapons of Mass Destruction" crops up here and there.

At the very least, with the most charitable view, they knew full well that there wasn't adequate evidence even to support what they claimed emphatically, yet they ginned the game, queered the pitch, bought off the Judge, stuffed the ballot box, twisted arms and showed only what they wanted to, and that just isn't cricket.

Repeat: probably over 10,000 human beings have been exterminated by these hereditary multi-millionaires for the betterment of themselves and revenge for their Russian Wolfhound Poppy. Disgusting. EXPENSIVE.

Not going away.

It makes them look just more cynical in the process; they can still muster a phalanx for this one, but the next time around, their word will be treated as the nothing that it is.

[Walt Starr]

21. The cable Whorenews programs are going no further than

stating that George Tenet has taken the blame.

It's over, I saw it on the TeeVee.

Rove wins again because the whores are whoring it up again. Fascist propoganda now reigns in this nation.

It'll all be forgotten and on Sunday, July 20, the Sunday Whorefest topics will be, "When will the Dems stop being so partisan?"

[diplomats]

28. I don't know

somehow I don't think having someone else take the blame reflects well on the Bush administration. If they'd stepped up to the plate and accepted responsibility they would've gotten credit from the American people. Passing the buck is weasily.

[Walt Starr]

29. The intelligence agencies took the blame for Bush Knew

And nary another word was said about Bush Knew. Especially after Biden said there was no way Bush could have known.

And the Democratic tutus got even pinker afterwards.

It's gone down this way every last time. The Democratic party, the judiciary, the media whores every last one of them has covered up time and again.

What the FUCK will make this time any different than the others? Just like the others, there is no fucking smoking gun.

It's over.

Rove wins again.

[Walt Starr]

24. WOW, now the Kobe Bryant is the new Shark Story

Yep, it'll be Kobe Bryant 24 X 7 until the next shark story comes along.

I'm going to be sick again.

:puke:

[dennis4868]

23. Where is the media now....

questioning Bush and his thugs about Ambassador Wilson telling Bush and cronies that the whole Niger ordeal was a joke and not true....why is the media ignroing this fact?

[Walt Starr]

25. Because the Kobe Bryant story is such BIG NEWS

Nothing to see in Bush Lied.

Move along...

Rove wins again.

[janx]

26. Please see text of Tenet statement in LBN!!!!!!!

Rove hasn't "won" anything. This is not going away.

[Walt Starr]

27. I've read it.

Where is the sound bite?

Where is the simple bit for the people opposing Bush to focus on the Sunday talk shows where idiotic media whores can understand the duplicity of the statement?

Where is the smoking gun?

George Tenet admitted it was his fault. I saw it on TeeVee.

It's over and it will all be swept under the rug nice and neat by Monday morning. I've seen it too many times in the past to get my hopes up at all.

[JustJoe]

30. Jeez, take yr meds, wicca

Chicken little, anyone?

[Walt Starr]

31. I notice that number of posts

I've been here through EVERY LAST BUSH* SCANDAL!!! You apparently have not.

This is precisely what has happened every last time. The timing. The way the media whores fawn all over the Bushco people because "the partisan Dems wronged them with outlandish accusations" right down to the tutus on the Dems getting pinker.

Every last time, it's been the same.

[JustJoe]

33. Life began before

DU. Remember Nixon? Remember Bush I? Were you following
the bouncing ball back then? Were you posting your
enlightened remarks on DU then? By the way, weren't
you the feller who was pulling his hair out
over Kerry & Lieberman last week & then had an awakening
& said he'd vote for any Dem when push came to shove?
Congrats. You need to calm down (again) and see the big
picture. Or not.

[Walt Starr]

35. Believe me, I hope I have to eat my words

One thing I've noticed, nothing that held tru about scandals in previous administrations has ever held true with this bunch, but then again the media was never a willing accomplice to the administrations of the past either.

[msanger]

38. rolling over and dying...

sounds like a great way to fight a war. I mean, there is a set back so we should all just curl up and have another drink or three and get clummy and cry in our beer.

Why not send emails to all the non-duer's you know linking to the list of lies, reminding them that we still haven't found a single WMD, that this occupation is costing tax payers 1 billion dollars a week, and that soldiers are dying every day. That is the scandal

Paul Wellstone said something about "never giving up" but I don't know what it was.

sorry if the first paragraph is harsh, but defeatism doesn't seem to help much.

[Walt Starr]

43. I'm trying, but until a smoking gun comes out

This thing goes nowhere. The smoking gun was the statement and Tenet has just neutralized that. It'll be fully vetted on the Sun day Whorefests.

If nothing comes up quick, this thing will die. That's the way of scandals.

[arcane1]

32. what teevee are YOU watching??

CBS news just talked about the Tenet statement, and basically said that the CIA and Bush new this was bullshit, the CIA didn't try hard enough to take out the lies, and the Admin tried too hard to keep the lies in. They spelled out CLEARLY that the Tenet statement only says that they kept the lie in there because it was worded technically true, but that they all KNEW it was crap. CBS pulled no punches whatsoever.

do you have anything constructive to say, or are you trying to make us giveup? We don't need that shit right now, that's what we have Fox for

[ozymandius]

65. This is what Dean has to say about it.

Quote from his conversation with Lou Dobbs:

"It's beginning to sound a little like Watergate. They start throwing people over the side, but the deeper you go, the more interesting it'll be. It's very clear that it may be George Tenet's responsibility, but that information also existed in the State Dept, it also existed in the VPs office, so they will not get away with simply just throwing George Tenet over the side."

So I do not think this is about to be tossed out because Tenet offered himself up as a sacrifice.

[Cocoa]

34. Rove won bupkes

It's not about getting Bush in one fell swoop, it's about landing blows to his credibility and his leadership. And about keeping him on the defensive, and keeping the pressure on in all the various investigations. Under pressure we might get lucky and they make a mistake, but even if they don't the damage is still done.

Plus, all those past things aren't dead forever, they're still there to be brought up during the campaign.

[Walt Starr]

36. None of the crap has stuck in the past

I hope I'm wrong, but I've watched the pattern for too long to get my hopes up.

[unfrigginreal]

45. All of the past crap is part of the baggage

I've got to respect your opinion on this because you've been around the block a few times where politics is concerned. I hope you're wrong though and my gut tells me that you are.

The fact that people will now realize that Bush isn't infallable will go a long way to tearing down this regime. They'll start questioning other things that this asshole has represented as truth. Already we're seeing articles cropping up about how they have deceived the country on economic matters.

There was a guy on CNN(I think) tonight that put it best: This President has been held to lower standards than most Presidents on most things but he will be held to higher standards for honesty and integrity since he campaigned on being a straight talker with the American people.

[wellstone_democrat]

76. be nice if he were indeed held to that higher standard

on his self-proclaimed "honesty" and other fine Christian virtues we hear of ad nauseum. But, when do you think that might start? My guess based on the history...never.

A minor minor example: Bush's virtue and rectitude
Our Little Prince doesn't allow such things as swearing around him because it offends him. He's quite the Christly man. Now the fact that he calls Reporter Clymer of the NYT an "asshole" or says "Fuck Saddam..." isn't ever remarked on but its provided as an example of what a regular guy he is. By whom? By the same people who tell you about his distaste for the profane and the vulgar.

I'd like them to hold him to that higher standard on these virtues he constantly claims for himself but if they haven't by now, they won't.

[unfrigginreal]

77. Not a Christian standard but an honesty standard

My take on what the pundit was saying is that Bush would be forgiven for being a nincompoop but would be hung if the public felt he wasn't leveling with them.

[msanger]

42. keep the pressure on and he'll make a mistake

sort of like the republicans and President Clinton. Starr's approach was to investigate and investigate and investigate, and eventually somethign would show up.

we have a much easier time of it, because bush has lied, and lied, and made bad choices and all we have to do is keep pointing them out. All we have to do is start educating our friends and families.

an educated electorate is bush's worst nightmare.

[Walt Starr]

44. Yep, The Will Pitts and Bev Harrises of the world

are our only hope here. Don't expect the whores in the old media to do anything but whore themselves for Bush* nicknames.

Only the New Media can give us any hope with this one. This is why I'm somewhat happy Will Pitt is not here tonight. My hope is he's out there somewhere digging up another gun.

[Pobeka]

61. I'll second that for the Will Pitt's and Bev Harris's of new media

But the old media is run by a bunch of greedy crooks, if they smell enough money in a story, they'll run it too -- there is no honor among thieves and they *will* feed on each other if the gold pot is big enough.

We have to stay on them, let them know there is a huge market of patriots who *truly* support the troops and did not want them to become ensnarled the way they are now in another Viet Nam-ish quagmire. The friends and family of the military is coming to see us as their only ally. Folks like Will and Bev are key to this coming to fruition.

Edit - typo

[tinanator]

37. absolutely right

its a bit soon to pop those corks. This is the Plan C burial plot.

[AnnabelLee]

39. I didn't see it on teevee

because I don't watch tv. But, I've been watching the LBN forum closely, & have read Tenet's statement, & some of the comments from other DUers.

I agree with you. I haven't been here since the beginning, I wasn't here when the first "Bush Knew" story broke, but I was watching all of it, & I went through the same emotional ups & downs & fervent hopes. I know that there are still CIA people who are pissed, but I think they shot their wad with the Niger SOTU leaks. I don't think they have anything else of comparable or better value to hit bushco with. My heart hopes I'm wrong, but my head tells me it's over.

[AlinPA]

40. If the media won't talk about it, the story dies.

By Monday, Rove will tell all broadcast media to stop talking about it. They will. I just heard one of the cable stations call the lie "an error".

[RummyTheDummy]

47. Okay people, fess up!!!!

WHo let the Cowardly Lion out of his cage?

[Walt Starr]

48. This is how every scandal of this administration has played out

Headline News just said Bush was not to blame. The mediawhores are in fullout spin mode propogandizing for the administration.

This is how it happened every last single time there was a scandal. The Old Media is on its knees right now. Our only hope ios that the new media picks up the rock and finds a smoking gun underneath it.

[RummyTheDummy]

49. Put the remote down!!!!!!

And step away from the TV with your hands up, sir.

[Imajika]

55. Take a deep breath...

"The mediawhores are in fullout spin mode propogandizing for the administration."

The damage is done.

Questions have been raised.

You may well be right. The Niger-Uranium story may fade, but so long as we don't find any WMD's and the situation in Iraq stays unstable, more and more questions will arise.

The American public supported the Iraq War. But they supported it because they thought Americans soldiers would gloriously uncover WMD's and put Saddam's head on a stick for the entire world to see.

Citizens of the USA did not buy into invading Iraq for no good reason. If nothing is found in that country and American soldiers keep dying the public will continue to sour on the entire Iraq invasion.

And with every new question like Niger-Uranium making its way into the media, Americans will begin to get the idea that they've been had.

And once Americans truly believe they were misled, that resevoir of support Bush had will begin to shrink.

You gotta think about this things as Chinese water torture or just one of thousand cuts. Bush is not going to go down in one big blaze of glory, that is really just fantasy.

Dont be so pessimistic.

Chin up. The glass is half full, not half empty.

Imajika

[Walt Starr]

57. hee hee, that's what they said during Bush Knew

It didn't pan out that way. When they get the old DU up, do a search on that scandal. Same shit, different lies, same outcome I'm describing here.

I hope to hell I have to eat my words and if this story is not deader than a dooornail by next Friday, I'll start a thread stating I am eating my words.

I've watched this crap too many times with these bastards.

[Imajika]

70. Walt Starr

"hee hee, that's what they said during Bush Knew"

Well, quite honestly, I didn't think the "Bush Knew" story was ever going to amount to much. So really, I am not even counting that one.

We can not get carried away with every story and assume it is going to do Bush in. Some stories will pan out, some won't. Some stories will spark interest, some won't.

But anything that has to do with Iraq and the reason we went to war will NOT go away as long as American troops are getting killed on a daily basis, especially when we haven't uncovered squat in the way of WMD's.

Bush took this country to war to depose Saddam and strip that nation of its WMD's. So far he has accomplished neither.

Don't let yourself get on these super highs and miserable lows. Politics is a slow grind. You gotta take what comes. You can't expect the unreasonable. Bush is not likely going to be driven from office. Hell, the GOP had both the House and Senate and try as they might they couldn't drive Clinton from office. It is a little much to expect the Democrats, lacking a majority in either chamber of Congress to impeach a President.

This Niger-Uranium story has, and will continue to do damage to Bush. The best part is that it is probably just the first of many stories about what happened to the WMD's. I mean, we fought a war over WMD's for christs sake - the media can't help but to keep asking where they are. Bush can't stop the questions now unless he produces the weapons. The pandora's box is just now opening. Give it time. Don't expect the impossible. Politics and the media run in cycles. We will have good days and bad days. Bush will have good days and bad days. The key is that we make sure to have more good days than Bush, and enough to win in 04'.

Imajika

[lynndew2]

80. Even on PBS: McLaughlin said bush said it inoccently

I watched it tonight and 4 of the 5 on the show said they believed bush didnt know he was lying. And PBS(McLaughlin) is generally to the left.

[Az]

56. Be happy for today the BFEE dropped one

Yes Tenet is taking the fall. This was planned out. When Condi drew the line they already had the map. However what they are not counting on. The failing of the BFEE. Their blind spot. They do not think they can be taken down by subordinates. They just pissed on the entire intelligence community. They have snuffed out one minor point. They are now going to have to deal with a flood of angry intel agents. People who know. People who are pissed.

Add to this the fact that their story doesn't make sense. They are going to try to push this to the British intel. They are looking to wiggle around the lie by saying they were technically acurate. But where did the British intel come in from. It had to come through our own intel dept and they already knew it was fake. We now have a coverup. Its not the crime that sinks these types. Its the coverup.

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[tinanator]

59. sounds like a forecast, not a declaration, and not of defeat

but of business as usual. Im more optomistic than most, but that doesnt stop these thieves from killing people, or "democrats" from betraying or attacking their own.

[Walt Starr]

60. Because the same exact shit has been said about every scandal

Every scandal "had traction".

Every scandal was bringing them down.

And every scandal went away.

Look, if the Sunday Whorefests are not in fullout whore mode complete with kneepads, I'll eat my words on Sunday.

I've seen this shit with too many scandals to hope beyond hope things will be different this time.

[RummyTheDummy]

63. Damn Walt.

YOu must have been crazier than a shit house rat in year 11 of the Reagan-Bush empire. I fear for your health if Bush is elected in 2004. I really do. And for your sake, and all of our sake, I hope you have to eat your words.

[Walt Starr]

68. At least the media wasn't a bunch of whoring accomplices for

Reagan and Bush I.

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[pruner]

78. "..."

are all of your 1000+ posts the same?

[Walt Starr]

79. Why don't you read a few and find out?

Just asking.

[stanwyck]

67. This will dissipate UNLESS

we don't let it go away. It's up to us now. We have to keep the heat on about Bush knowingly lying about our invasion of Iraq. We have to publicize his being absent during his National Guard Service...which is going to become increasingly important as our troops continue to be slaughtered during this inane occupation of Iraq. We have to make sure people know that unemployment is at a 20 year high, that Bush has gutted veteran's benefits, that his cronies are cashing in on the phony war. We're the media now. The corporate media is owned by conservatives who want to keep their boy in power. We outnumber them. That's all we have. But it's enough.

[RummyTheDummy]

69. I haven't seen anyone say don't keep the heat up.

But then again that's not what the original poster is saying either. He's taking his ball and going home.

[Samantha]

71. Rove doesn't get credit for THIS tactic

This is the way it's been done in Washington for years. Rove is just playing the game the way it has always been played. Let's not give him more credit than he deserves.

He does have his unique maneuvers. Basically, most people have a line they will not cross. Rove has never established a line for himself. Look at his history. What distinguishes him from others is that nothing is hitting below the belt in his book. Whatever it takes.

[aquart]

74. Bush looks like an inept puppet in this.

They want him to look like a hero, but people still have to step up and bail the idiot out.

No way Rove won. George gave a speech and he didn't have total control over its contents?

Wimp.

Wuss.

Jerk.

Some victory.

[southernfried]

75. reincarnation best bet for foreign IT work

unless you're Indian in which case you move back home.