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efhmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 07:51 PM Original message |
Can democracy survive corporative capitalism? |
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Tace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 08:00 PM Response to Original message |
1. I Had To Erase My First Reply -- It Was So Bleak |
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efhmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 08:03 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. One of my daughers (in her early thirties) suggested this to me the |
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burrowowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 01:03 AM Response to Reply #2 |
50. Read Kevin Phillips |
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indigobusiness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 07:37 AM Response to Reply #1 |
61. A culture can be brainwashed |
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breadandwine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 06:46 PM Response to Reply #1 |
68. We must march against Fox and the rigged election. |
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BamaBecky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 08:06 PM Response to Original message |
3. I'm very worried about how the corporations have raided America! n/t |
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efhmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 08:08 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. It's a pretty massive worry but the masses do not seem to care. |
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Fleshdancer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 02:20 AM Response to Reply #3 |
52. What American corporations have done to other nations is even scarier |
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Ardee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 08:09 PM Response to Original message |
5. Coprporate "personhood" has got to go |
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LSparkle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 08:12 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Exactly |
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efhmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 08:15 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Isn't campaign finance reform like trying to get the fox out of the hen |
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Ardee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 08:23 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. The power is in the money |
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efhmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 08:39 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Actually wishing for something better to fight the situation with. A |
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Ardee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 09:39 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. A cause with which to stem the tide |
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efhmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 10:44 PM Response to Reply #14 |
28. I rode to an appreciation dinner for some Texas candidates with a |
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ixat (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 06:30 AM Response to Reply #5 |
56. Word. |
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McKenzie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 08:10 PM Response to Original message |
6. comment and link inside |
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efhmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 08:18 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Thanks, I will go read. It seems to me that there was once honor in being |
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ixat (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 06:32 AM Response to Reply #6 |
57. Good excerpt, Ctrl+C for future reference. |
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Dr Batsen D Belfry (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 08:27 PM Response to Original message |
11. The idea that corporatism and capitalism cannot coexist |
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efhmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 08:46 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. I enjoy reading your thorough analysis. You cited some examples that |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 12:54 AM Response to Reply #11 |
49. Multinationals have no country loyalty |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 09:49 PM Response to Original message |
15. You can't have a system where a few people keep expanding their power |
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efhmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 10:05 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. The next question is: Can it be stopped? Or do people want to stop it? |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 09:51 PM Response to Original message |
16. Businesses can exist under democracy |
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efhmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 10:07 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. What exactly is the dividing line between the two, since corporations are |
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dpibel (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 07:19 AM Response to Reply #21 |
60. That corporations are businesses |
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cattleman22 (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 10:06 AM Response to Reply #60 |
64. Libertarian candidate advocated for getting rid of liability limits |
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dpibel (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 02:14 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Because the owner gets all the benefits? |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 04:10 PM Response to Reply #21 |
67. Businesses or corporations |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 09:54 PM Response to Original message |
17. Bread & Circuses = Fast Food & ESPN. |
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Carl Brennan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 09:57 PM Response to Original message |
18. I agree with the dehumanizing aspects of corporate control. What |
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efhmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 10:09 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. They will argue that helping business gives people jobs so it is okay. |
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Carl Brennan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 10:31 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Reply: Why not just help people directly with jobs programs or whatever. |
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efhmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 10:53 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. The suggestions of liberals are too humane and make too much sense |
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Carl Brennan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 11:54 PM Response to Reply #29 |
38. Damn we finally agree on something, hee. |
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efhmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 12:13 AM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Did we disagree before. It seems to me we were always on the same |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 12:13 AM Response to Reply #18 |
41. Yes they do -- some |
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efhmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 12:18 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Gosh, as much as I hate having to admit it, I think a totally free market |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 12:36 AM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Oh, I think it's scary, too -- but not because it's flawed in theory |
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efhmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 12:42 AM Response to Reply #45 |
46. My own brainwashing is probably what make me frightened but you are |
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pdxblue (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 09:59 PM Response to Original message |
19. in a word, no |
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efhmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 10:10 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. So it can work, just not here? |
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pdxblue (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 10:33 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. if "corporative capitalism" means what we have here... |
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efhmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 11:01 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. So are we doomed? Is there hope or are we just pawns in the delusional |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 12:30 AM Response to Reply #23 |
44. It could -- but due to television, and the crafty exploits of advertising |
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timtom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 12:48 AM Response to Reply #44 |
47. Right now, I believe that this is the ONLY way |
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efhmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 12:51 AM Response to Reply #44 |
48. Well, personal responsibility is really all we have. I shop organically |
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raggedcompany (399 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 10:35 PM Response to Reply #19 |
27. agreed. the answer is no. n/t |
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efhmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 11:03 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. That's it? No hope, no suggestions, no ideas. We are gonners? |
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raggedcompany (399 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 08:49 AM Response to Reply #31 |
63. yep, that's it. |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 05:16 AM Response to Reply #19 |
55. It's not working here either |
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Just Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 10:20 PM Response to Original message |
24. Yes. So long as the concept of democracy rules over the pursuits,... |
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efhmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 11:05 PM Response to Reply #24 |
32. I am not sure that they believe it is the only attempt. I think most would |
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efhmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 11:09 PM Response to Original message |
33. Okay posting to my own post to ask about Canada and GB.and |
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pdxblue (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 11:14 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. define your terms |
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efhmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 11:25 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. You are correct. I am thinking of the current conditions here. |
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pdxblue (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 12:04 AM Response to Reply #35 |
39. i agree |
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efhmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 12:21 AM Response to Reply #39 |
43. This is where I am always an optimist. I think you will find an answer. |
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moondust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 11:26 PM Response to Original message |
36. Democracy is too unpredictable. |
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efhmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 11:32 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. I thought that idea was Japanese? Weren't they (still may be) the |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 02:00 AM Response to Original message |
51. Ask the Hawaiians |
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blueandwhite (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 02:21 AM Response to Original message |
53. yes most corporations are not that bad there are just a few bad eggs |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 05:04 AM Response to Reply #53 |
54. "just a few bad apples" |
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ixat (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 06:38 AM Response to Reply #54 |
58. I haven't heard this point made anywhere, |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 07:46 AM Response to Reply #58 |
62. corporate personhood should be frowned upon |
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ixat (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 10:54 AM Response to Reply #62 |
65. Wait, that sounds familiar... |
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ixat (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 06:55 AM Response to Original message |
59. I think that yes, democracy can survive corporations.. (link plz) |
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