To those who doubt John Kerry

[AnIndependentTexan]

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/aplocal_story.asp?category=6420&slug=WA%20Kerry%20Wash%20Gov

OLYMPIA, Wash. -- John Kerry has wired $250,000 in unspent campaign funds to help Democrats pay for a second recount in the election for Washington state governor, party officials say.

The donation Wednesday about doubled the available funds but the party still has no more than half the $1 million or more required to pay for a hand recount of all 2.9 million ballots, chairman Paul Berendt said.

"John Kerry really came to our rescue," Berendt said, "but our ability to pay for a statewide recount is still subject to money which is not in...

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. They still need money, and it has to come in in tens and twentieds

and fifties

[LSparkle]

2. Money well spent!

The R only won by 42 votes -- this one is definitely worth a hand recount! Good for JFK!

[Robbien]

3. Kerry has $19 million of our money and only gave $250,000 for this?

Kerry is not interested in having Democrats get elected.

It looks to me that he gave the least amount he could and then said see how good I am?

I'm not buying that act.

[SmokingJacket]

4. Oh, please!!!!! n/t

[Robbien]

6. There were so many close races which could have used help

from the Democratic leader. But did Kerry help? NO. He sat on our money and let the Democratic state races flounder and lose.

So now he has given $250,000 and wants some kind of pat on the back. Bah!

Only $18 million seven hundred and fifty thousand more of our dollars to go. I won't hold my breath.

[AnIndependentTexan]

7. have you even researched what Kerry did with the money?

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. Ok you aer pissed

and don't know all the facts, but that is ok.. .WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING ABOUT IT? No posting is not good enough, ok....

WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING?

[Robbien]

16. Yes I am pissed. Kerry quit still holding our money

And yes I am still working on this. I have attended my first DFA meetup and am also working with media watch groups and other progressive groups. My state representatives have received calls and letters from me on several issues these past three weeks since the election.

Even though Kerry quit, I have not.

[AnIndependentTexan]

20. A little insight on what is going on

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041202/ap_on_el_pr/ohio_vote&cid=536&ncid=536


Kerry's campaign this week joined the suit filed by Green and Libertarian party candidates seeking a recount of the vote in Delaware County. A judge in that county issued a restraining order blocking that request, but the order expired Thursday. A hearing is set in federal court in Columbus on Friday on the recount request.


"The Kerry-Edwards campaign felt it had to intervene," said Daniel Hoffheimer, a Cincinnati lawyer who represents the campaign in Ohio. "We did not want a recount to go forward if it only was 87 (of Ohio's 88) counties."


The two minor parties also have asked for a statewide recount, but a judge ruled that cannot begin until Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell certifies the vote, likely on Monday. The parties say they have raised the $113,600 fee the state requires to conduct the recount.


The Kerry campaign isn't disputing the outcome of President Bush (news - web sites)'s Nov. 2 victory in Ohio — a 136,000-vote margin, based on unofficial results — but wants to make sure any recount is "done accurately and completely," Hoffheimer said.


Hoffheimer said he knew of no other challenge by the campaign to the national election results. Bush won the national popular vote by about 3 percentage points, but Ohio's 20 electoral votes would have been enough to turn the race for Kerry.

[Fla Dem]

19. Yes, I am sure there were, and it would have been nice if the

Kerry campaign gave them some cash. But I have a hard time pointing a finger directly at Kerry. Someone on his campaign was handling the finances. I don't know if Kerry got daily updates on their financial situation. He was running around from one end of the country to another trying to pull off an election victory.

Did the DNC ever come to him and ask if he would help out?
I don't know.

Was Kerry supposed to call around to all the hundreds of candidates out there and ask them if they needed help?
I don't know.

Did any of them approach him directly and ask for assistance?
I don't know.

If any candidate did ask for help, did he turn them down?
I don't know.

Was Kerry aware of any specific situations where he could have helped?
I don't know.

If you have answers to all those questions....then you are way more informed than me.

[Robbien]

21. As leader of the party, if he was unaware of the status of his party

members, then he was a very ineffectual leader. Being busy is not an excuse.

Every good leader of a group makes sure his staff keeps him aware of the status of the group as a whole.

[Fla Dem]

22. Yes if this was a perfect world.

Geez the man had enough to do......this is nitpicking.

[Robbien]

23. No its the real world. And when one doesn't pay attention, they LOSE.

Just the same way Kerry LOST and many state elections were lost. Kerry paid little attention to what the state party members were doing. He sat on $19 million dollars which may have made a difference. AND HE LOST and the party lost. Perhaps he thought the same as you that the state party members made no difference, all of it was just a bunch of nitpicks.

Now we are watching him do a bunch of CYA actions by saying he is "behind" the scenes backing the recount. Ha!

[Straight Shooter]

24. Kerry did not lose the election.

That's a fact. Proving the fact is the crux of the problem.

Kerry. Won. The. Election.

Start from that point, and what a difference it will make in your perception.

BTW, did you know that the Wall Street Journal finally reported that in fact Gore won the 2000 election? They reported it on September 12, 2001.

[Robbien]

26. Kerry lost the election when he conceded.

Yes, along with you I believe he got the votes to win. But I believe since he conceded, the election is officially lost.

That is the basic factor behind my disgust.

[sangh0]

28. Another fact you don't have

but will insist it's true.

[Robbien]

29. Another?

First I said Kerry only said he will turn over the money but there is no indication he has actually turned it over. That is true. As of right now there is no proof he turned it over.

Secondly I said Kerry lost, that is also true. Even if the Ohio recount turns out that Kerry had the most votes, he still would not be President. The time to contest the vote is before you concede the election.

[sangh0]

31. Yes, you are wrong more than once

and I said, that won't stop you from insisting you're right.

You don't know how much money Kerry has on hand, and Kerry's concession has no legal bearing on anything.

[AnIndependentTexan]

25. and you are saying Chimp does a better job of this?

[Robbien]

27. The Chimp has a whole team whose only goal is to watch and

direct the state elections. How else do you think they were able to unseat Daschle? Right now they are positioning all their players for the 2006 elections. In this November's elections there were very few state and local elections which did not have a GOP candidate. But many of those seats ran uncontested.

The DLC/DNC really only pays attention to the presidential race.

So the answer to your question is, sadly, yes. Not the chimp himself. But Grover, Newt and the gang, yes.

[Fla Dem]

30. He was not the leader of our party, he was our candidate for president.

The DNC coordinates with the state elections. It was NOT Kerry's responsibility to make sure every democrat candidate in every state was covered.

You have issues with Kerry conceding, I understand that. But to say he should have been coordinating with every candidate is absurd. If state candidates were in trouble they should have been reaching out to whoever could help them. If they didn't then shame on them.

I'm not even sure if within the election laws Kerry could have given any of the money his supporters gave specifically to HIS campaign to other candidates.

My comment re: nitpicking, is that in your disappointment with Kerry conceding you are looking for any reason to trash him. Was not in reference to state elections.

[AnIndependentTexan]

5. actually he gave a large amount back to the DNC as well

It was posted in one of the forum sections not to long ago when people were asking what Kerry would do with that money.

[Robbien]

8. No, he said he will give it to the DNC, but still has not

I wonder if he will ever give it up now that he has gotten the credit for SAYING he will give it up.

[AnIndependentTexan]

10. again I ask have you researched it?

[Robbien]

11. Yes, lots of articles which said he said he will turn it over

No articles saying he turned it over. Do you have any links to the actual turning over of the money?

[AnIndependentTexan]

12. sounds to me like either they are trying to word it that way

or the DNC and Kerry is the only one who knows what deal was worked out on how they are turning over the money.

[Obviousman]

13. Read this from Kos

He hits it on the money. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/12/1/185837/554 Kerry was generous, but I don't think he gets it.

[Ducks In A Row]

15. is there a limit thing here we don't know about.

[RBHam]

14. What is his position on the massacre in Fallujah?

Inquiring minds want to know...

[LisaL]

17. It's not enough because they need a million.

[WebeBlue]

18. Poignant photos of John Kerry at soldier's funeral Dec 2

http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/index.php?showtopic=8249&st=0&p=76349&#entry76349


See these poignant photos of John Kerry, Dec 2, paying respects to a fallen soldier, and family at Arlington funeral. There is dignity in these photos. We are a military family with 2 Iraq veterans, both scheduled to be redeployed to Iraq, and these photos bring a small modicum of respect to my weary heart. John Kerry is our President, and I will continue to do my small part to see that come to fruition with the stolen election.

[Fla Dem]

32. Thanks for those photos. Makes me very sad.

But also makes me mad we have to endure 4 more years of that idiot when there is such a good man that should be taking the oath of office in January.

God bless both your family members who will be going back to Iraq. I pray they will come home safe to your family.

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