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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 11:57 AM
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So, whatzis about napalm in Fallujah...
that I've been hearing?

I hear it's not really Napalm, just some other jellied burning stuff so it doesn't defy the 1980 protocol against using it on civilians. Or so they say.

Anyway, I haven't heard the full story, just getting spotty emails about it.

(Weapons of mass destruction, indeed.)

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Jack_DeLeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 12:08 PM
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1. supposidly...
its a newer type of firebomb, which technically isnt napalm because its a different chemical composition, but most people (including troops) will just call it napalm anyways since it serves the same fucking purpose.

As for the 1980 protocal thing, I think this stuff would be illegal under it, however the US never signed on to it in the first place.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/incendiary.htm

check out the first link under references.
Protocol III of the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons: Protocol on Prohibitions or Restrictions on the Use of Incendiary Weapons. Geneva, 10 October 1980
The United States is not a party to this protocol


http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/int/convention_conventional-wpns_prot-iii.htm
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 12:58 PM
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3. Yeah, I knew we didn't sign on to it...
and, like land mines, a weapon is a weapon. So why should I be surprised we're using it...

I love the Tommy Franks quote-- "...we're not using the OLD napalm."

Anybody remember Hue?



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BreakForNews Donating Member (241 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 12:15 PM
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2. Poison Gas also.....
Fallujah's 9/11:
U.S. Used Weapons
of Mass Destruction

http://www.BreakForNews.com/articles/Fallujah911.htm

November 9th, 2004 was Fallujah's 9/11 Tuesday. It marked the peak of 3 days of indiscriminate bombing by US forces.

The bomb blitz featured weapons of mass destruction:
banned napalm-type munitions, chemical poison gas and super-bombs of up to 2,000-pounds.

The ground assault was also indiscriminate. The target was a city where at least 60,000 civilians outnumbered rebel fighters by over thirty to one.

The evidence of those crimes is accumulating, as accounts by aid workers' from inside Fallujah manage to bypass reporting restrictions.

(EXTRACT)

At least three independent reports indicate that the US forces used chemical poison gas in Fallujah. Within days of the start of the assault IslamOnline.org was reporting:

“The US occupation troops are gassing resistance fighters and confronting them with internationally-banned chemical weapons,” resistance sources told Al-Quds Press Wednesday, November 10. The fatal weapons led to the deaths of tens of innocent civilians, whose bodies litter sidewalks and streets, they added.

“The US troops have sprayed chemical and nerve gases on resistance fighters, turning them hysteric in a heartbreaking scene,” an Iraqi doctor, who requested anonymity, told Al-Quds Press.

“Some Fallujah residents have been further burnt beyond treatment by poisonous gases,” added resistance fighters, who took part in Golan battles, northwest of Fallujah.
US Troops Reportedly Gassing Fallujah, Islam Online

Respected, independent journalist Dahr Jamail (IPS) files reports for The Nation, BBC, Democracy Now!, and other stations. On November 26, 2004 he reported:

The US military has used poison gas and other non-conventional weapons against civilians in Fallujah, eyewitnesses report.

”Poisonous gases have been used in Fallujah,” 35-year-old trader from Fallujah Abu Hammad told IPS. ”They used everything -- tanks, artillery, infantry, poison gas. Fallujah has been bombed to the ground.” Hammad is from the Julan district of Fallujah where some of the heaviest fighting occurred.
'Unusual Weapons' Used in Fallujah, IPS Also

Activist journalist Ewa Jasiewicz recently had 'disruption' charges laid against her for protesting at an Iraq privatization conference last April. She had just returned from 9 months solidarity work with refugees and women’s groups in Iraq. On Saturday November 27th, 2004 she reported:

Residents of the Hay Julan area who were able to flee Fallujah described an apple smelling chemical with which they were exposed to before the main onslaught into Fallujah. There was a break of about half a day between the presence of the gas/chemical and when the main assault started.

The chemical created open wounds on the skin which were very hard to treat. After a while all exposed areas on the skin were cracked and bleeding. People came out of Fallujah with these injuries. They described smoke, a sweet smell and when they were exposed to the smoke, they coughed up blood and had cracked bleeding skin.

Most of these families were hiding. When they smelled the gas they thought this was a gas attack and fled their homes and made their way through small backroads unoccupied by Occupation Forces. This happened at the beginning of the attack on Fallujah – around 2 weeks ago.

(EXTRACT)

A US command prepared to use chemical weapons is unlikely to balk at the use of the banned incendiary weapon of napalm. Indeed, in August last year, the US admitted dropping napalm bombs during the three-week invasion of Iraq, despite earlier denials by the Pentagon.

Reports of the attack on Fallujah indicate that weapons indistinguishable from napalm in their effect were used again. Dahr Jamail reports again:

”They used these weird bombs that put up smoke like a mushroom cloud,” Abu Sabah, another Fallujah refugee from the Julan area told IPS. ”Then small pieces fall from the air with long tails of smoke behind them.”

He said pieces of these bombs exploded into large fires that burnt the skin even when water was thrown on the burns. Phosphorous weapons as well as napalm are known to cause such effects.

”People suffered so much from these,” he said.

FULL ARTICLE:
http://www.BreakForNews.com/articles/Fallujah911.htm

Live from Baghdad, Topic:US WMDs - mp3
Dahr Jamail - journalist
http://www.kathymcmahon.utvinternet.com/mrn/audio/InsideTrackNews041201b.mp3

Interview: Eva Jasiewicz -journalist
Fallujah WMD's - mp3
http://www.kathymcmahon.utvinternet.com/mrn/audio/InsideTrackNews041130.mp3
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 01:03 PM
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4. Yeah, I heard something about gas..
but gas is so difficult to identify and prove.

The other stuff they're using is bad enough, and observers in the midst of the confusion could easily mistake casualties for gas casualties.

Having said that, though, I wouldn't put it past the fuckers to use gas if they thought they could get away with it.

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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 01:35 PM
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5. Nothing new actually see this CNN embedded report 3/22/03
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/21/otsc.irq.savidge/



There is a lookout there, a hill referred to as Safwan Hill, on the Iraqi side of the border. It was filled with Iraqi intelligence gathering. From that vantage point, they could look out over all of northern Kuwait.

It is now estimated the hill was hit so badly by missiles, artillery and by the Air Force, that they shaved a couple of feet off it. And anything that was up there that was left after all the explosions was then hit with napalm. And that pretty much put an end to any Iraqi operations up on that hill.

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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 01:43 PM
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6. The US is committing wide spread war crimes in Iraq.
That much is known. People must have there fingers in their ears, their eyes closed, and shouting "la, la, la" if they're surprised by any of this.
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Vote4Kerry Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 01:35 AM
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7. This is just so horrible
The US is so hypocritcal--they claim to go to war to stop WMDs and then they turn around and use them! It is disgusting!
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