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Crankie Avalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 09:38 AM
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December 7, 1941...


Thank God we had a man like FDR, back then. If only we could have had another giant like that to deal with September 11, 2001...

Instead, we had a drunken, feeble-minded pygmy like George W. Bush. Tragically, the results have been all too obvious.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 09:44 AM
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1. A day that will live in infamy!!
We were so shaken on 9/11 -- I remember the feeling of "We're all Americans," and the desperate need to hear a leader reassuring us, rallying us, pulling us together and leading us forward. Instead, when the Chimp finally did feel brave enough to appear, he read that feeble little script. My husband said, "We needed an FDR speech, not that!!"

But imagine the Chimp even if he'd had a speech like FDR's. ... "September 'leventh, two thousand and wun. A day... That will live.... in... inf- info -- infamy..."
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 10:13 AM
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6. And then pResident Shrimp would have attacked China
You will notice FDR launched an immediate public investigation into how the attack happened...
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 10:52 AM
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10. Then and now
A speech turned our nation's darkest hour to its finest when Roosevelt gave his stirring, memorable, patriotic speech. It began:

"Yesterday, December 7, 1941 - a date which will live in infamy - the United States of America was suddenly and deliberately attacked by naval and air forces of the Empire of Japan.

The United States was at peace with that nation and, at the solicitation of Japan, was still in conversation with its Government and its Emperor looking toward the maintenance of peace in the Pacific. Indeed, one hour after Japanese air squadrons had commenced bombing in Oahu, the Japanese Ambassador to the United States and his colleague delivered to the Secretary of State a formal reply to a recent American message. While this reply stated that it seemed useless to continue the existing diplomatic negotiations, it contained no threat or hint of war or armed attack."

And I contrast that to the sorry excuse of a man we were stuck with on September 11, 2001. Running like a scared rabbit after sitting shell shocked where he looked, for all the world, like the frightened small man-child he is, reading a kiddie book.

12.7.41: we were led by a Democrat.

9.11.01: We were living under the cloud of a sorry, rich, entitled, chickenhawk republican

What a sad world we have today.
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Tace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 09:57 AM
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2. Yes FDR Was Great -- But He Was A VERY Heavy Drinker
At least that's what I've read. He was a high-functioning alcoholic.
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 10:03 AM
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3. He Was Just Trying...
...to get out of harm's way.

Until the day I die, I will believe that he was abandoning his office and running back to the pig farm and that cheney had AF1 intercepted. I think that when he went "down the rabbit hole" at the Air Force base in Nebraska, he wa told exactly who was in charge and what he was to do from then on.

Thank GOD that we're now safe from Janet Jackson's breasts, Nicolette Sheridan's towel and gays marrying!

BTW, on 12/8/41, my father and 3 uncles went down to enlist, found a HUGE line, and ran into my Grandfather on their way to the end of the line.
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Bush was AWOL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 10:05 AM
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4. I always read the obituary page of the paper
and am always shocked how many veterans and people I see named after FDR.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 10:11 AM
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5. The Republican's have never forgiven FDR for ...
not siding with Hitler in WWII.
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Hong Kong Cavalier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 10:26 AM
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8. Wasn't the primary opposition to the war the conservatives?
And the "America First" crowd?
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 10:14 AM
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7. Today thanks to Reagan and Chimpy's deficit
all the Japanese have to do is pick up their phones and say "Sell." And they'll do a lot more damage than they did at Pearl Harbor.
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 10:41 AM
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9. WWII Intrigue
Pearl Harbor spies were German hired to relay intelligence to Japanese.

How Hitler came to power following the code of the Black Dragons of Japan http://www.vikingphoenix.com/public/JapanIncorporated/1895-1945/dragon.htm|>.

How Japan had high tech jets and Inter-continental bombers nearly ready to deploy at wars end that could have changed the course of the war. The bomber was to be used to drop bubonic plaque laden fleas on San Francisco.

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