The right distances themselves from their crackpots too

[Proud2BAmurkin]

Michael Moore isn't a crackpot like Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell but he's controversial. The right pays their kooks off under the table after they're elected but they ignore them and distance themselves during elections.

They put on a MODERATE face including putting lots of black children in ads and on stage. They win too because Americans are stupid. We have to understand that or we keep losing.

[ibegurpard]

1. Here's the difference:

The Right IS the crackpots and the really, really far-right crackpots know it and so are willing to lay low during election periods cause they know their interests will be addressed.
We actually want to kick OUR "crackpots" to the curb.

[charlie]

2. Rush Limbaugh

Honorary member of the House of Representatives, 1994.

No, Republicans embrace their useful idiots and they've been well-served by the practice.

[norml]

4. How true! Here's my thoughts on this from my thread in the GDP forum.

It's like when the right wing media whores, with their Republican infomercials, go much further than their candidates dare, so as to make their candidates seem reasonable by comparison. It's like when their "callers", really scripted shills, go much further than the right wing media go, so as to make them seem much more moderate, reasonable, and "independent", than they really are. The "Don't attack conservatives" approach is not for me. The "Conservative = Nazis" approach is not for others. Sometimes both approaches can even be used by the same person. There is room for the "Let's be friends!" approach, as much as much as there is room for the "Die monster die!" approach. Just lets not get in the way of each other when making these cases. Learn from how they handle these sort of differences. The Republican candidate will say, "Rush may have gone too far, but he has a point". Rush will say, "The caller may have gone too far, but they have a point". The Republican candidate never repudiates Rush. Rush never repudiates "callers" telling him that he's not going far enough. They never repudiate the extreme position. They never deny that the extreme position is true. That's for the opposition to sputter over. The Book, The Art of War, says something like, "When you face a stronger opponent, irritate them". Please try not to denounce me for encouraging irritating them, and I'll try not to denounce you for encouraging making friends with them. Maybe your not attacking approach will irritate them more than mine. There's room for both Joe Lieberman, and Howard Dean.

[bryant69]

3. This is BS

Both President Bush and Vice President Cheney went on Rush Limbaughs show for example. How is that distancing themselves from them?

Rush Limbaugh has said that he doesn't want to kill all the liberals. He wants to keep some of us in zoos so that America never forgets how bad we were. Has Michael Moore said anything this hateful?

We have to understand American's are stupid? Well many are (many people of all nationalities are stupid), but i'm not sure this is the way to go.

Bryant
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[Proud2BAmurkin]

5. I should have said

we have to realize enough Americans are stupid and the number is high enough to win an election for Bush. Kerry never admitted to even seeing michael moore's film which was a smart thing to do.

[lukasahero]

8. Right - smart because if he said he saw it, he would have lost, right?

Oh yeah, he did lose. So he was so smart for not telling anyone he saw the film? Isn't it possible that he'd have won if he had said he'd seen the film? Lots of people saw the film.

Heaven forbid anyone reach out to those of us over on this side that would like to be known and acknowledged as the human beings and Americans we are instead of being villified and abandoned by our own party leaders who are too afraid to "offend" the "middle".

[Proud2BAmurkin]

9. you voted for kerry right?

he didn't risk losing people on the left but he gained people in the middle by not aligning with controversial figures

[charlie]

10. Merely an assertion

We'll never know, will we?

General Clark didn't seem to think associating with Moore would hurt. I'm inclined to agree with him.

[lukasahero]

11. Not in the primaries. :-)

Sorry to disappoint but I voted for Clark. You know, the guy who let MM speak at his rally.

[StClone]

6. There is no comparison between Moore and any Wing nut

Can some one show me where Moore has uttered or filmed lies? And what have been called distortions are in fact hard put fringe interpretations of what he has put in 9-11. Moore hit a nerve and the all out effort to destroy him and his works is pretty apparent. He burned the Right owned Media and the wackos that push it. His declined appeal is a result of PROPAGANDA not reality of his work.

Limbaugh lies that's proven. Moore not in the least.

[bvar22]

7. DLC doing the repubs dirty work for them. (surprise)

The Dem Party should have used clips from F911 for their official campaign material.
Michael Moore is a populist hero with a HUGE following. We can't have street people associated with the Democratic Party!!!
Fucking NONSENSE!!

Michael Moore IS a threat to the elephants in Donkey Suits (DLC) who work with the Republicans to establish the CorpoFascist state. Repeating their CorpoFascist propaganda on progressive or Democratic websites is offensive.

Michael Moore is FEARED by the CorpoRepubs and CorpoDems. He enjoys the DISTINCTION of being one of the few (if not the only) private citizen to be attacked from the podium at a National Political Convention!!!

MESSAGE TO DLC: Go ahead and distance yourselves from Michael Moore. You are also distancing yourselves from your base. After your performances in the last 3 elections, you (DLC) are the reason we are LOSING ELECTIONS!! Not Michael Moore. Face it (you fat elitists fucks!)!

Message to Michael Moore: You Rock!!! Keep telling the TRUTH. Fuck the DLC!!

My GOAL in LIFE is to DESTROY the DLC and drive these CorpoFascists from my beloved Democratic Party!

[Bridget Burke]

12. I don't frequent Freerepublic....

But--do new members constantly appear, warning them about Falwell & Robertson? Besides, those guys are preachers, they aren't filmmakers.

Michael Moore is not a kook. He is dangerous to Republicans, so I can see why they continue to work against him. Many have found this last election a good excuse to come here & try to weaken our party urging us to abandon issues & people. It won't work.

Just for fun--give some specific, detailed "kooky" things that Michael has done.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

15. I didn't say he was kooky I said controversial

I agree he is dangerous to repukes but if he is controversial he can still be dangerous with democratic party keeping their distance, just like the repukes keep their distance from Jerry Falwell

[NewJeffCT]

13. far from it - they use Coulter, Malkin, etc as tools

The RW uses the likes of the Far Far Far Looney Right like Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, etc to say things so outrageous that when Joe Republican Candidate comes along and is slightly more sane than Coulter, the mainstream media will think of Joe as a moderate.

Look at how times have changed - would a candidate that is pro-choice, pro gays in the military & pro environment be welcome in today's Republican Party? Probably not as they would be too liberal.

But, that is Barry Goldwater, who was too far right back in his day to be elected.

[sandnsea]

14. Liberal Republicans

Don't let them hide behind the comfy term "moderate". Liberal has a meaning, a good meaning. If there are Republicans who are for progress, then they're liberal. They need to either claim it, or be stuck right along side the Talibornagains.

[Zorra]

16. *snarf*. This sure seems to be a poorly veiled insinuation that

Michael Moore is a crackpot.

Is that what "we" are calling people that tell the truth now?
:eyes:

*sigh*