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NikolaTeslaRocks Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 12:59 PM
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Documented Global Autism Charts
Edited on Tue Dec-07-04 01:00 PM by NikolaTeslaRocks
http://poisonevercure.150m.com/autism_charts.htm

Here us just some of the info and charts on this site.
How are we going to fund the care for all these Autistic kids that cant care for themselves? Bush is not worried about this but this wont be his problem years down the road. This is going to fall or dip into the average taxpayers pocketbook.There are several charts listed here.
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For every 1,000 babies born in Canada, it is estimated that two will be diagnosed with autism or a related disorder.




DOCUMENTED

GLOBAL AUTISM CHARTS









For every 1,000 babies born in Canada, it is estimated that two will be diagnosed with autism or a related disorder.

-http://www.globeandmail.com



The continuing rise of Autism in the United States of America

from IDEA.org and CDC.gov
State
1992-1993
I've only found recording for children 6-22 yr. of age were recorded
2000 (ages 3-22) 2001
(ages 3-22)
2002
(ages 3-22)
2003
(ages 3-22)
2003 (ages 6-22) % increase for ages 6-22 since 1992
Alabama 68 849 1,010 1,233 1,479 1319 947%
Alaska 8 222 247 282 311 291 2138%
Arizona 199 1,213 1,476 1,841 2,288 2131 950%
Arkansas 30 766 774 912 1,114 1049 2319%
California 1,605 13,979 14,441 16,093 2,4863 19034 1086%
Colorado 14 505 595 763 978 879 5394%
Connecticut 164 1377 1643 1974 2,357 2041 1094%
Delaware 15 325 358 425 475 387 228%
District of Columbia 0 119 170 206 215 298 804%
Florida 582 4473 5276 6190 7,151 5915 690%
Georgia 262 2188 2788 3404 4,383 3956 1278%
Hawaii 52 364 494 651 770 618 947%
Idaho 39 319 393 528 635 571 1293%
Illinois 5 4,330 5,175 5,921 6,961 6,005 1136%
Indiana 273 3,077 3,795 4,607 5,434 4,755 923%
Iowa 67 665 580 1,236 1,331 1,224 1727%
Kansas 74 710 811 984 1,130 993 1173%
Kentucky 38 1,032 1,205 1,378 1,586 1,358 3295%
Louisiana 409 1,266 14,59 1,698 1,924 1,640 258%
Maine 46 594 712 846 1,018 815 1672%
Maryland 28 2,304 2,823 3,488 4,084 3,536 12529%
Massachusetts 546 805 3,452 4,080 5,087 4,007 634%
Michigan 1,180 4,706 5,421 6,273 7,259 6,341 437%
Minnesota 297 2,783 3,722 4,734 5,838 5,076 1609%
Mississippi 0 419 503 590 680 622 3788%
Missouri 336 1,723 2,081 2,393 2,863 2,664 693%
Montana 20 188 212 249 270 247 1135%
Nebraska 0 374 460 545 649 557 1405%
Nevada 5 483 671 904 1,164 891 17720%
New Hampshire 0 397 474 568 667 585 11600%
New Jersey 488 3,322 3,973 4,644 5,503 4,933 911%
New Mexico 16 231 285 350 413 359 2144%
New York 1,925 6,752 7,023 8,274 9,486 9,486 393%
North Carolina 786 2,653 3,465 3,995 4,687 4074 418%
North Dakota 16 135 159 197 240 220 1275%
Ohio 22 2,543 3,391 4,351 5,490 5,146 23291%
Oklahoma 37 675 806 844 991 959 2492%
Oregon 550 2,945 3,353 3,927 4,389 3,754 583%
Pennsylvania 595 4,039 4,821 5,889 7,178 5,805 876%
Puerto Rico 266 620 696 654 894 666 150%
Rhode Island 19 357 456 545 655 568 2889%
South Carolina 141 973 1,170 1,388 1,523 1,303 824%
South Dakota 47 262 293 338 391 328 598%
Tennessee 308 1,088 1,293 1,606 1,958 1,659 439%
Texas 1,492 7,131 8,273 9,846 1,1940 1,0354 594%
Utah 120 642 830 966 1,179 1,030 758%
Vermont 12 218 264 277 315 280 2233%
Virginia 571 2,228 2,700 3,329 3,951 3,533 519%
Washington 494 1,684 2,104 2,536 3,112 2,824 472%
West Virginia 112 326 389 456 534 507 353%
Wisconsin 20 2,130 2,580 3,079 3,669 3,259 16195%
Wyoming 15 115 131 150 182 162 980%
American Samoa 0 1 1 1 2 1 N/A
Guam 0 20 34 41 62 50 2400%
Northern Marianas 2 2 6 10 20 11 450%
Virgin Islands 10 13 18 16 19 14 40%
Bur. of Indian Affairs 10 7 18 21 26 26 NA
Total for U.S and outlying areas 155,580 93,650 114,841 137,708 163,773 141,022 805%



These figures were taken from the official State statistics produced by the Department of Education in the United States, for numbers of children aged 6-21 served by IDEA (Individuals With Disabilities Discrimination Act) who have autism AND Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

The detailed 2002 MIND study by Byrd et al proved that the California increases were not ascribable to either recognition or greater awareness, nor to in-migration. This could be reasonably expected to be the case in other States, too.

Reference: www.fightingautism.org


While manufacturers make the claim that vaccines will cut down the cost of vaccine preventable disease epidemics to the economy, THE ANNUAL COST FOR AUTISM shows otherwise. The rise in the cost of autism to the U.S. economy grows every year. How long will it take for America to realize just how much more expensive the consequence of vaccine induced autism is getting? And when it finally is realized, who will be to blame, the autistic population? How about the enforcers for playing down the consequences of severe neurological vaccine damage? Better yet, how about the manufacturers? The only crime committed by the autistic population is being the victim. They're already paying the consequences along with their family members. Mercury is a globally known neurotoxin. It's dangerous level of toxicity has been known for over six decades. There is seriously something wrong with it still being in childhood vaccines. Isn't it time America starts demanding an answer as to why?

are the dangers of mercury being down played?

are the dangers of the live vaccine measles strain found in the colon of autistic children, and their spinal area being down played?

is President George W. Bush refusing to be part of the vaccine safety-autism investigation?

are autistic children having to wait for help while the government, manufacturers, doctors and parents argue over the vaccine-autism link?

can't pediatricians tell mothers what the safety level of mercury injection into their child is?




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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 01:02 PM
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1. "Blame vaccines!!!!!!!!"
Edited on Tue Dec-07-04 01:04 PM by trotsky
That's B.S., and the most recent detailed study once again confirmed there is no link between vaccines and autism.

Toxins in the environment & our food as well as much better diagnosis of autism are much more responsible for the increase in rates.

Get informed about mercury. Know there are two main forms of it - methylmercury and ethylmercury. Find out which one is more deadly, and which one is used in vaccines - and in what amounts.

Don't buy into the anti-vaccine hysteria.

On edit: Here is a nice collection of links from the CDC documenting research into the issue.
http://www.cdc.gov/nip/vacsafe/concerns/autism/default.htm
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 01:10 PM
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4. you have drank the kool aid

and the bushgang will do nothing but help the pharm corps to make money
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 03:00 PM
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13. kool-aid
Could you try to address the points trotsky makes in his post about two different types of mercury, etc., instead of chanting a catchphrase? That might be a more helpful approach.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 04:44 PM
Response to Reply #13
27. You just hush, Bill.
Would you like some of this Kool-Aid? ;-)
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NikolaTeslaRocks Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 03:38 PM
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20. I already know...
there are 2 types of mercury. I also know it is still dangerous inside the human body. Lets discuss how we are going to pay for these future adults care.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 01:03 PM
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2. If the new type of Republicans continue
to hold power, defund remainig help that hasn't already been defunded and reduce their civil rights by declating ADA and IDEA unconstitutional (at least this is the current path).
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 01:09 PM
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3. Thimerosol was introduced in 1935, yet the real spike
in autism cases didn't occur until 1987. I think it must be environmental. I just think thimerosol (which has been removed from most vaccines given to children) is the cause.

It's too easy to substitute coincidence for causality. Kenner first described autism in the 30s, after thimerosol came out. The problem with assigning causality to thimerosol is that such children had previously been diagnosed with "dementia praecox," or dementia of children. No one had differentiated autism from retardation from early onset schizophrenia. It's like saying Kenner caused autism because he described it!

I'm delighted a substitute for thimerosol has been found for most early childhood vaccines. However, since autism rates have not started to plummet, I honestly think folks need to look for a different environmental cause.

Heaven knows there are a lot to choose from.
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NikolaTeslaRocks Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 03:41 PM
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21. You are right,
But the number of vaccines has went WAY up since the 30s and in the 80's a lot more were added. Besides it is not just thimerasol that is causing problems. It is likely a variety of things creating this problem.
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NikolaTeslaRocks Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 03:43 PM
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22. there will be a delay of about six years
in autism rates falling. Besides the MMR which has been blamed for autism doesnt and never has had mercury in it. It is given with DTaP which does. Besides most of the vaccines still has mercury in them,it is in a reduced amount.
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phylny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 04:23 PM
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24. I work with many children with autism, and most families tell me
that looking back, they could tell there was something "different" about their child early on. They look back at videos, compare their first-born autistic child with their second-born typically developing child, and they say there's a difference that they could see well before vaccinating their kids.

One family I worked with has a history of autism in the mother's family, and she did NOT vaccinate her children. One daughter is still autistic.

One mother said she knew something was different about her child in the womb. "He hardly moved at all, I thought he would have birth defects or be mentally retarded."

I am of the camp that believes children with autism are like "canaries in a coal mine" and that they're genetically more susceptible to "something," probably environmental.
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benddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 01:19 PM
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5. You are tilting at windmills
it is obvious that the increase in Autism is do to some external-environmental-pharmaceutical cause. All the research on immunizations has proved there in NO correlation.
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 01:52 PM
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8. Follow the money
Edited on Tue Dec-07-04 01:59 PM by lostnfound
Many of the studies that "prove no correlation" were funded by the vaccine makers and are regurgitated over and over again in white papers. On the flip side, there were lengthy congressional hearings (Dan Burton chaired) on Cspan which presented much evidence by various researchers indicating that there was a correlation.

I think it is irresponsible to conclude that "proved there in NO correlation". What if you are wrong?

Here is an article that references both sides of the debate on the MMR, for example. The jury is still out, although the vaccine makers would have you think otherwise.
http://www.uoguelph.ca/oaar/mmrrefs.shtml

The most irresponsible thing, though, is for the government to continue the sham of pretending that regulatory agencies are still independent organizations operating to protect the public. Too often they have now become extensions of the PR and Legal departments for the industries they "regulate".
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 01:23 PM
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6. Hi NikolaTeslaRocks.
:hi:

Nice to see you again.

My cousin's daughter was 18-months old and developing normally when she suddenly stopped speaking. She was diagnosed with autism shortly thereafter. I would like to know what they think caused this, but they are very private about her situation, so I have no idea where they stand.

She's enrolled in a very good public school in Illinois and has spoken on occasion. One year she sang Happy Birthday to my cousin on his birthday and it brought him to tears. She's a teenager now. I think around 15.
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politicat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 02:57 PM
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11. That's the normal progression of autism, though.
Normal development suddenly stops. That's what makes it so strange and so hard to prevent.

I think there are genetic factors at work, especially when looking at autism and Ausperger's clusters in relationship to high-tech industry and "geek cities".

One of the reasons autism is spiking is that we're getting much better at diagnosing it. We used to only be able to diagnose those up in the 10% most severe cases. Now, we can effectively diagnose and treat those in the top 30%.

Please don't assume correlation and coincidence with causality. That slows down the process of investigation so that we can find a cure or prevention.

Pcat
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 03:34 PM
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18. They used to call them "changelings"
A normal baby would become strange, with no explanation. Of course, it was understood the Good Folk (it doesn't do to speak ill of them) had stolen the baby and replaced it with one of their own.

A cousin of mine is autistic. It wasn't diagnosed early--in those days, other labels were always tried first--deaf, retarded, schizophrenic. He's nonverbal & institutionalized. Nowadays, there's behavioral treatment that helps some, I believe. According to the online "Asperger's" test, I probably would fallen into that category. Again, in those days, everybody just regarded me as weird.

And Lady Gregory collected a story about a probable (not distant) ancestor--who spent some time "away".




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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 01:25 PM
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7. "Biblical case against vaccines"
Sorry, you lost me there.
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NikolaTeslaRocks Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 04:25 PM
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25. Bridgett
I have no intention of going their. However if you are against stem cell research and using aborted babies for medical purposes then you do not want several of them. Your personal religious views would have to play a role in how you percieve things naturally.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 02:22 PM
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9. Some of us kids with autism care for ourselves quite well, thank you
Edited on Tue Dec-07-04 03:15 PM by KamaAina
How are we going to fund the care for all these Autistic kids that cant care for themselves?

Several of us post among you right here at the mighty DU!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=250x129

That being said, of course we need more and better services. There aren't even any good interventions for adults with autism. Ask ourself this: What is the equivalent of a wheelchair, or a guide dog, or a TDD for someone who has autism?

Hmmmm?

Please send those big, honkin' grant checks to the KamaAina Institute, 666 Bush Sucks Way, Honolulu :evilgrin:

As for the vaccine theory, if thimerosal is the cause, wouldn't we be seeing a dropoff in cases now that it's out of most vaccines? My competing theory is vaccine overload: too many shocks to the young immune system from all those vaccines. Their numbers are increasing over time. For instance, in my day (and I'm only 40), there was no chicken pox vaccine. Now it not only exists but is mandatory for schooling.

Again, send the Nobel Prize to the KamaAina Institute, 4 Cheney DWI Plaza... well, you get the idea. :-)

Edit: brackets around 'mandatory'
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 02:48 PM
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10. A good paper on "vaccine overload"
Edited on Tue Dec-07-04 02:48 PM by trotsky
From the American Academy of Pediatrics:

Addressing Parents’ Concerns: Do Multiple Vaccines Overwhelm or Weaken the Infant’s Immune System?
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/109/1/124

Current studies do not support the hypothesis that multiple vaccines overwhelm, weaken, or "use up" the immune system. On the contrary, young infants have an enormous capacity to respond to multiple vaccines, as well as to the many other challenges present in the environment. By providing protection against a number of bacterial and viral pathogens, vaccines prevent the "weakening" of the immune system and consequent secondary bacterial infections occasionally caused by natural infection.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 02:58 PM
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12. Fair enough -- but it doesn't address my point
which I may not have enunciated clearly above: that all these vaccines may be provoking an autoimmune response that leads to autism (and lots of other condidtions as well).

The paper deals nicely with "vaccine overload" as a cause for vaccine ineffectiveness, or exposing the infant to secondary infections, but it doesn't address the autoimmune issue (doubtless because no one with any actual credentials has actually raised it :-) )
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 03:25 PM
Response to Reply #12
16. Considering the vast billions of microbes that an infant
is exposed to within the first few hours of being born, we seem to do OK.

I am not totally discounting your theory mainly because I am not an immunology expert, though I do know someone on here who is and will check with him.

But one thing to note is that since autism is present at the same rates in children who have not been vaccinated, any theory linking vaccination and autism is likely to be wrong.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 03:27 PM
Response to Reply #16
17. Who has the study on that?
autism is present at the same rates in children who have not been vaccinated,

The best place to find enough non-vaccinated children to study would be the developing world. Such a study in autism would be groundbreaking work indeed.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 03:38 PM
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19. Several studies
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NikolaTeslaRocks Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 04:13 PM
Response to Reply #16
23. I want to see your links
about unvaxxed having the same rates. I have seen links that say that but they were disproven. I have seen them go the other way as well.

I dont think we are doing ok. The US has a high infant mortality rate compared to other developed countries. We pay double what some developed countries do in drugs etc. Yet we are not as healthy.

Kids have a lot of allergies and athsma where as we used to not. Peanut allergies were not rampant 25 yrs ago like it is now.

But in the shots we have added formaldehyde, yes mercury in some cases,aluminum which is related to alzheimers and more. This is injected into the bloodstream where the liver can not detox the ingredients. These substances can build up in one so young or old.
SOme people can not rid their bodies of these substances.
Read about the Mylethin Sheath not being protected fully before the child reaches age 2.

This is what a doctor told my husband once about the government not being able to stop supporting vaccines because that would be like admitting guilt and make them liable. They dont know how to stop this monster. This is just one persons opinion.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 04:44 PM
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26. Please see post #19 for study links.
I do agree with you on some points. We DO have unacceptably high infant mortality rates. I think, however, that it has much more to do with inadequate ob/gyn care because of all the people who lack health insurance.

I agree that peanut allergies seem to have come out of nowhere. I don't know what has caused that, but I think we should find out.

Since the human body makes formaldehyde all by itself, I am not alarmed when minute quantities are present in vaccines, though. And aluminum is another red herring - there is aluminum present in the plaques in Alzheimer's patents but no one knows yet whether the plaques are a symptom or the cause of Alzheimer's, OR whether consuming aluminum causes the plaques to form.

Please, base your concerns on REAL science and not pseudo-scientific alarmist sites.

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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 03:02 PM
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14. Wasn't thimerosol used in vaccines produced through 1999?
Edited on Tue Dec-07-04 03:03 PM by lostnfound
Supplies on the shelves would have been in use in 2000. Since most cases aren't diagnosed until 2 or later, dropoff might not start until 2002/2003.

Figure 4 will be more interesting once it is updated with one more year of data, but right now it only has one 'dot' -- the green dot for birthyear 1999 for the 2002 autistic population -- which could be expected to have been affected-- that would be 1999 born babies vaccinated during 2000 or 2001 and diagnosed before the end of 2002.

http://www.dds.cahwnet.gov/autism/pdf/AutismReport2003.pdf
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 03:17 PM
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15. That table may not show data for recent yerars
but as someone (intimately, you might say) involved with the autism community, I can pretty much guarantee you that those figures aren't going to show a steep dropoff when they do come out.

Quite the contrary, actually. If this keeps up, we may someday outnumber you -- and before you recoil in horror, bear in mind that that implies I would be President!! :-)
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 08:53 AM
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28. It's a cheery thought
A friend convinced me a long time ago that 'compassion was more important than intelligence'..don't take offense at the implication that autistics are 'intelligent'..but heart is more important than mind; and the world is screwed up by deficiencies of the former not the latter.

I'd vote for you in a heartbeat.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 08:54 AM
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29. I'd rather risk autism than preventable disease with my kids
At any rate, mine came through their immunizations just fine.

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sherilocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 09:17 AM
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30. I browsed through the poisonnevercure website
Let me admit that it turned me off completely as emotion driven dribble and not scientifically factual. The heartbeat anti-abortion part was particularly devoid of scientific data.

The reason there are so many autistic children in the US, is because the term is more loosely applied here to an assortment of disorders. Many of these disorders do not make a person disabled for life, just less able to function as well as a person who does not have one of these disorders. A child, in many of these cases, has the ability to overcome the disability with good parenting skills and an enlightened educational system that provides early special education.
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