occasional questions on a Friday night

[ulysses]

Why are Nader voters blamed for such a great percentage of the Election 2000 results but credited for such a small percentage of worth in regards to Election 2004?

What kind of sense does it make to denigrate and insult, for years, those whose votes you profess to both want and need?

Why is it that professed Democrats who vote for Bush are just "southern Dems voting in their own interests", but professed Democrats who vote for Nader are unholy scum?

[buddhamama]

1. well simple silly

scum can spread
and once you get it it's hard to get off. :hi:

[Walt Starr]

2. That statement ought to convince a lot of Greens to go Dem

NOT

[buddhamama]

4. Walt Starr

i'm one of those Nader voters

i've been in the trenches with ulysses here for two yrs
just my sarcasm kicking in


hey ulysses, sorry i made this into a joke. okay give me the MDP:-(

[Terwilliger]

6. *WHAPSH*

[buddhamama]

7. on second thought

i take that back.

you'll just have to accept me as i am.

[ulysses]

8. what Ter said

:D

:loveya:

[buddhamama]

11. geez, can't you just slap me or something

does it have to be that?

called me scared.

[Terwilliger]

3. because certain people around here

think pulling the votes of the more right-leaning elements is more important than catering to thge left-leaners

problem is, most of the people in the country are left of center or progressive...funny how they thought that would be a winning strategy :shrug:

[Clete]

5. I dunno.

I don't think the Green vote hurt Gore after going over the election results state by state. The election mess in Florida did. And, I discovered that the red states get more electoral votes than the blue states. I mean the liberal votes are clustered in large population centers and the red votes in more sparsely populated states. That's why Gore won the popular vote. So essentially, a minority party is ruling the majority. The Green vote had very little to do with it because they also siphoned off of the Republican vote from what I could tell. IMHO anyway.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

14. Yes one electoral vote in Wyoming represents maybe 20,000 people

one electoral vote in California is something like 60,000

[union_maid]

9. A vote for Bush was a vote for Bush

I disagreed, to say the least, with Bush voters. My much bigger problem with Nader voters was that they kept insisting that a vote for Nader was NOT a vote for Bush. The vocal ones helped to convince others. This wasn't helpful and now we have possibly the worst adminstration in our history and the damage that they've done has been inestimable. I said at the time that I'd never forgive Nader if he helped to put Bush in office, because he was old enough to know better. I didn't blame the younger Nader voters that I knew. I do blame them if they're prepared to do it again. Older ones are a different story. If you've been around long enough to see the left repeatedly shoot itself in the foot then you have no right to be dumb enough to help it happen again.

[davsand]

10. It bothers me a great deal to see that stuff.

Greens may have voted Nader, but so did some of the regular Dems. If they hadn't he would not have had the vote totals he did. Maybe I'll take some hits for this, but I do think that Gore as the Dem candidate just didn't appeal to some of the more liberal Dems. Whatever the reason, it is done and it is in the past.

It wasn't the Greens who made a corrupt SCOTUS vote the way it did. It was the selection process under the previous administrations who loaded that court. For that, we ALL carry some responsibility. Again, I say it is in the past and agonizing over it serves no purpose except to create a division at a time when we can't allow it.

If we hope to make ANY substantive changes in our government, we have got to pull up our socks and work toward selecting a candidate that will play to as many people as possible. I have faith that our primary process can work to do that, if we allow it to.

I have no idea what it will take for some people to feel whole again, but I do know it had better happen soon. We can't afford to go ito this next election with the kind of in-fighting that produced the last failures.

At the risk of sounding cliche--Can't we all just get along? Can't we all just stay focused on the prize of taking back control of our nation and THEN fight out the subtleties of progressive -v- mainstream?

Laura

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

12. The 10 percent of Dems who voted for Bush threw more than one state

state to him. There were several states where the votes were close. One can argue Florida but even Florida only gave Bush a small electoral lead. Catering to the center leaves LOTS of people home.

[buddhamama]

13. that happened in Fl.

i've looked at the numbers.
a lot of registered DEMs didn't vote.

[SOteric]

15. Kickity

:kick:

[opihimoimoi]

16. Who was it that said; When a Prez fails domestically, they then go for the

foreign policy thing? Someone in the Basement thought of the AFRICA thingy. Its a no loser, gatta do it. Perfect timing, the Dems can't say shit."

[ulysses]

17. but what's the answer, opihi?

Are we supposed to give up?

How the hell are you, by the way? :hi:

[opihimoimoi]

18. Hi Uly, I am fine thank you

Who said it? I forgot, It was a real question, LOL


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