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Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 07:09 PM
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Is it fascism yet?
when will we know?

how will we know?

who will tell the people?
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 07:11 PM
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1. yes
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WithStamina Donating Member (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 07:37 PM
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6. That uniform...
Is terrifying.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 08:56 PM
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10. fascists were sharper dressers
this looks more likr jetsons fascism
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 07:19 PM
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2. It's not facism when we do it.
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Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 07:38 PM
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7. I do need to get more but you are also incorrect.
Edited on Tue Dec-07-04 07:39 PM by Postman
fascism is the merging of corporations and government.

You're identifying an authoritarian, totalitarian state.

Fascism is possible without having to do what you seem to think fascsim has to look like. (i.e. Nazi Germany, extermination camps, etc. etc. )
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forgethell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 08:00 PM
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8. is there partial fascism?
Could we be 1/3 or 1//2 or 1/10 along the road. What are benchmarks we should look for at each stage?
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 03:41 PM
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12. it doesn't have to be a dictatorship
to be fascist

FYI

get out more
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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 04:04 PM
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14. you're grossly misinformed
I suggest you do some reading. That actually sounds like a reply we often hear from repuke freeper types.
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 07:27 PM
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4. It Slowly Descended into that
the past 4 years and now will further slip down in the next 4. Lots of governmental laws are secrets now. They can arrest and detain you without telling you why and stuffs like that.
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 08:16 PM
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9. start here
http://www.rense.com/general37/fascism.htm

The 14 Defining Characteristics Of Fascism


you'll know where we are.
dp
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 01:14 AM
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11. has been for about four years now . . .
it's just a matter of degree . . . which keeps increasing with each passing day . . .
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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 04:00 PM
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13.  The 14 Defining Characteristics Of Fascism
Edited on Fri Dec-10-04 04:01 PM by AmerDem
Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed
to the government's policies or actions.

9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

These were taken from Dr.Laurence Britt's "Fascism Anyone"
http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/britt_23_2.htm
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Ivan Sputnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 04:04 PM
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15. I think we're getting close . . .
. . .when you start seeing the president wearing a military (or pseudo military) uniform.

according to Dana Milbank of the Washington Post:

"... the experts I checked with said it is unlikely any president had done that since Teddy Roosevelt, and that was before such images would be broadcast into millions of homes. Even true military figures, such as Eisenhower, avoided wearing a uniform as president."


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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 04:04 PM
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16. Neo-Fascism?
Edited on Fri Dec-10-04 04:05 PM by Must_B_Free
because it's new? (to us?)

What it really is is Poll Tested, Kinder, Gentler Facscism
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