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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 10:12 PM
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Update on Woman who ran down the three kids in her SUV
There are three articles in today's St. Augustine Record.

http://www.staugustine.com/stories/120704/new_2749907.shtml

http://www.staugustine.com/stories/120704/new_2749560.shtml

http://www.staugustine.com/stories/120704/new_2749393.shtml

This all makes me so ill, that I just can't summarize it. This link will take you to the main page of the RECORD and you can get all the stories from there or you can use the above links.

http://www.staugustine.com/
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7th_Sephiroth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 10:13 PM
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1. you have to register
please post articles
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 10:15 PM
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2. Newspaper registration
forget registering.

go to www.BugMeNot.com
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 10:20 PM
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5. Thanks for this fabulous registration bypass!!
I have a few of my own...can I add to it?

Nice to read the articles. I like how the one is various permutations of "She is not capable of this" for the entire article. "There are no drugs or alcohol in that home" or "it must have been something in her medication" are telling comments, no?

She goes to a Baptist church so she must be a moral-value loving, God-fearing, non-white-hating, I mean, loves-everybody kind of gal, huh?
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chaska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 12:01 AM
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22. Certainly not making excuses for her but...
Why is no one writing about the anger and stress that we are seeing since Bush came into office. I know that I'm a bundle of rage lately. Pugs aren't exempt either.
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 10:32 PM
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11. For real?! I've never had to register to get in...
Hmmm. Try this: http://www.bugmenot.com/

I use it all the time and it works!
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 10:15 PM
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3. Can't open without registering, but
...I like how the neighbors/friends are saying that she just could not have 'possibly' done anything like this. Someone else said she must have snapped...gosh, ya think? Or maybe she is just mean...that could be it too.

So, are the kids involved, possibly, non-white?
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 10:25 PM
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8. the kids are black; saw their photos on TV today
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 10:32 PM
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10. Now that I read more about it...
...sounds like she has some mental health issues. What is interesting is that the medications they have listed do not treat her disease.
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George_S Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 10:16 PM
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4. I think local news like this...
... should stay local. All it does is turn the nation into a bunch of whining brats. Empathy has nothing to do with it

Please save me, Mr. Bush! (or whoever represents the power of the state)

Back in the good ol' days, when they were building a thing called the Constitution, the purpose of a free press was to ensure the state did not abuse its power.

Now it's the other way around.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 10:21 PM
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6. Welcome to the bogosphere n/t
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George_S Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 10:24 PM
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7. And CNN, and FoxNews and MSNBC and all the rest.
Good way to babysit us.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 10:30 PM
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9. Not trying to babysit, just stating the obvious
Why are you saying that this should stay local? Your comments have the appearance that this should have stayed in St. Augustine and not be reported nationally. If that is not what you meant, then I'm sorry I've misunderstood. Internet/email is an emotionally flat medium.

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George_S Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 10:38 PM
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12. It's a local case.
Edited on Tue Dec-07-04 10:45 PM by George_S
Yes, that's what I meant.

What can we do about it other than be upset and have it increase our need for the state?

EDIT: accidently clicked send :)

1) It is fear mongering. We know from Bush what that accomplishes.

2) It gives the perp 15 minutes of fame.

3) We can't do anything about it, as mentioned, except react in often irrational ways.

4) It loses site of what the intent of the press is as envisioned by the founders: a check on the power of the executive branch (law enforcement, prolocutors and judges).

5) I can taint juries and often does.

6) As happens here, it throws "innocent until proven guilty" out the window and so violates one the basics of the constitution.

6) It feeds the right and grants them more power (and not only the right).

If it were kept local justice would be still be done without all these side effects.

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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 10:44 PM
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15. Then I stand by my original response
Welcome to the blogosphere
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George_S Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 10:46 PM
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17. That's cool...
... and I stand by my response.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 10:50 PM
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19. Oops, see your edit
I've hit "send" before I meant to do it.

I see your point and it would be nice if these things remained local for the case you have illustrated. But we do have a right to know and the majority of what we seem to read is not "local".

There are those of us who can see the difference. But the sheeple, do not see it. Still, I would rather be in the know, particularly given this situation--it appears she has an inappropriately medicated mental illness which is likely going to be exploited by her attorney.

It's very sad for everyone involved.

Thanks for explaining.
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George_S Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 11:08 PM
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20. On a wider note...
Edited on Tue Dec-07-04 11:08 PM by George_S
And yet the politics of fear could not flourish if it did not resonate so powerfully with today's cultural climate. Politicians cannot simply create fear from thin air. Nor do they monopolise the deployment of fear; panics about health or security can just as easily begin on the internet or through the efforts of an advocacy group as from the efforts of government spindoctors. Paradoxically, governments spend as much time trying to contain the effects of spontaneously generated scare stories as they do pursuing their own fear campaigns.

Perhaps the distinct feature of our time is not the cultivation of fear, but the cultivation of vulnerability. In an era where children, women, the elderly, the infirm and the poor - around 80 to 90 per cent of the population of the Western World - are routinely discussed as 'vulnerable groups', there is little need for an omnipotent state to remind us of our lack of power. When most forms of human experience come with a health warning, we are continually reminded that we cannot be expected to manage everyday risks. And if vulnerability is the defining feature of the human condition, we are quite entitled to fear everything.

http://www.spiked-online.com/Articles/0000000CA760.htm

But I agree that if there is an issue involved that has an immediate impact on the nation, then yes, report it. If not, only report after the trial is done. That way the press could watch the courts and the police and keep the public informed without the adverse consequences that spread across the nation. It's so easy to think the entire country is all fubared because we hear about so much. When it is not any worse now than it ever was. The result: fear and the expectation that the state can remove it. Funny thing is, the state wants some fear in us.
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 10:40 PM
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13. Subdural Hemotoma
Edited on Tue Dec-07-04 10:43 PM by Must_B_Free
"In an operation Sunday night, surgeons "removed a large portion of his skull to allow for all the swelling," Cronin said."

These injuries are hard to survive, unfortunately.
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Pepper32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 10:43 PM
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14. Excuses, excuses, excuses... Her friends are delusional!
There is no excuse for what she did. Just more proof of how this white ringy evangelicals are affecting people gullible enough to be influenced by them. Think College Republicans. Expect more stories like this, this was definitely a hate crime and they are on the rise. :grr:


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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 10:46 PM
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16. You are probably right, but...
...it sounds like she has a history of mental illness which is not really being addressed by the medications she is taking. Not an excuse, but certainly part of the picture, likely to be exploited by her attorney.
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Pepper32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 10:47 PM
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18. Of course they will. n/t
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 12:32 AM
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23. well here's one for the DA then
if she has a history of mental illness then WHO GAVE HER A FREAKIN DRIVER'S LICENSE??? Should she have been driving unsupervised if as she says her husbamd has to take care of everything?
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Pepper32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 11:31 AM
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25. Good Point. n/t
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ObaMania Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 11:22 PM
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21. Funny thing is... she had a B/C '04 bumper sticker on her SUV!
.. just kidding. But looking at her made me think of ugly white trash repukes :puke:
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 12:34 AM
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24. but clearly
she assumed she had a mandate to run down godless, unruly, brown pedestrians who have the gall to scratch the paint on her WASPmobile.
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Pepper32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 11:34 AM
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26. hmm, why am I not surprised? I knew it! Excellent observation. n/t
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Samurai_Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 11:47 AM
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27. A paranoid schitzophrenic with a driver's license???
The article states she has been diagnosed a paranoid schitzophrenic, but none of the medications listed in the article are for that disease. I should know, my sister is a paranoid schitozphrenic. There is no way she can function well enough to drive! I would be scared to death if my sister ever got behind the wheel (she was diagnosed at 21, and had never gotten her license before that, so has never driven. She's now 40).

There are varying degrees of schitzophrenia, but even if she had a 'mild' case, she is a danger to herself and others, especially since she is NOT being properly medicated. Her husband says she was schitzophrenic BEFORE he even met her, so this woman has been unmedicated and driving around for over 22 years! Unfortunately, there is a boy likely to die, and his other brother with a fractured skull, who are paying for the irresponsibility of herself and her family by allowing her to drive.

This does not make me any more sympathetic to the woman, though. Even schitzophrenics can know right from wrong. She stood there and smoked a cigarette while those boys were laying on the ground injured, and then called her husband like it was no big deal. She deserves to go to prison for a very, very long time.
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