Short of impeachment (which is an impossibility), what can we hope for ?

[Stevendsmith]

I mean, I guess I'm still in the pre-election mindset--when there was a possibility that Bush would be defeated. But now, it doesn't matter what bad reports come out about the war, the economy, etc. It's pretty much meaningless. These guys are locked in for four more years.

We're totally fucked.

[LisaM]

1. I wish we could have a recall election...

The Republicans certainly didn't respect Gray Davis being ACTUALLY elected. They recalled him. I guess it's not possible at the national level.

[whistle]

7. Recall elections are what parliamentary systems are all about

...The Prime Minister gets elected by a very close of dubious margin. He tries to form a government but can't so the representatives declare "no confidence" and a new election must then be called. The people get to vote again to award a "mandate". What George Bush called a mandate on November 3rd, was nothing of the sort.

A real mandate is based on the will of the people (voters) whose votes are actually counted and tallied by the way they voted, not by some computer program deception. And real representative government requires the leader of the country to be accountable to the people, not to have some dictator. And real representative and participative government requires that elected officials be in session and in the respective houses doing the jobs they were elected to do for the people, not making back-room secret deals with shadow government lobbyists. Time for a major change in the process of electing representatives and the leader of this nation.

[forgethell]

2. 2008?? n/t

[11 Bravo]

3. Another pretzel.

Bigger, this time.

[rkc3]

5. Or a massive stroke brought on by Cheney's own stroke.

[11 Bravo]

17. Ooooh, a two-fer !

I like the way you think!

[Democracy Died 2004]

19. Maybe a thread on most creative

ways chimp offs himself?

[Walt Starr]

4. There is no changing a thing after Monday

If the elctors that are slated cast their ballots, it's a done deal and nothing will ever change it.

And as of right now, if sex videos of Bush with a live 13 year old boy AND a dead 13 year old girl were to surface, he still wouldn't be impeached.

[whistle]

6. Short of impeachment, I guess revolution.

....Voting no longer works when votes are not counted or allowed.

[Stevendsmith]

9. My friend wants me to attend a demo this weekend

But I'm having trouble seeing the point. I know how awful that sounds, but...

[canadianbeaver]

14. Please I beg you go......

Don't give in to *wacko....If everyone said what you said we may as well put bags over our heads and end the suffering.....the truth hurts and I wish I could take the pain away....getting your butt out helps alliviate the pain...you will be with others that think their lives are important enough to "stand up and be seen"...I know what you feel about MSM, but there are others taking notes....

As your neighbour to the north....Get out there!!! Please!!!

:hi:

[Stevendsmith]

18. I'll be there.

I'm just pissed off and dejected today. Thanks for the encouragement.

[ArkDem]

8. Extinction of Homo Sapiens

[Pegleg Thd]

12. A few days after the election

we were in southwest Washington state. I was talking to a hospital employee I knew about the selection. His statement was very simple--Over the next four years the only lucky people will be the dead... If the election is not given to Kerry/Edwards we will see the truth of his thinking.
I told a nurse, where I got my flu shot today that if we did not get rid of bushco NOW I would not be able to afford most of my medications within 3 months.

[ArkDem]

22. How much do those peglegs cost?

[info being]

10. Impeachment is possible

We just have to expose something so big that even the Repubs have to be against it.

[never cry wolf]

16. And/or soon enough to get a Dem majority in congress...n/y

[Blue_Tires]

11. i don't dare say

[Anakin Skywalker]

13. Decency and Honesty?

Maybe The Bush will finally come clean and admit he sucks as pres. and offer to resign? Nah. That's asking for too much, of course. Wingnuts can never admit faults.

[robbedvoter]

15. Lost wars topples dictators. Hitler. Argentinian guy with falklands

That's my only hope.
After gauging the apathy right here and the hurry of assimilation of the Vichy democrats I see no other way out. Illustration:

Mesg #340305 "My favorite analogy: Bush = Leopoldo Galtieri"
Author tech98    

Date Tue Nov-23-04 02:10 PM

Former dictator of Argentina. A dim-witted tool who launched the invasion of the Falkland Islands in 1982 as a distraction from economic malaise, cronyism and incompetence.
Excerpts from The Economist's obituary:
Leopoldo Fortunato Galtieri, a failed dictator, died on January 12th, 2003 aged 76
He might have been forgiven by at least some of his fellow Argentines for his ruthlessness, but not for his stupidity.
Incompetence in civilian life, in commerce or in the professions, can have serious consequences. In government it can be disastrous, as it was for Argentina in 1982, when General Galtieri was the unelected military president. Argentina was going through one of its regular periods of high inflation and poor growth...Day after day crowds gathered outside the presidential palace to jeer at the general. The protests were largely forgotten when he announced that Argentina was to seize the Falklands, a small group of islands in the south Atlantic that had been a British possession since 1833.
Such a patriotic gesture is an old remedy, and has had a degree of success. Hitler reinforced his popularity by sending troops into the Rhineland in 1936 against French wishes. These days Pakistan's self-appointed president, General Musharraf, is routinely bellicose towards India.
Britain, under Margaret Thatcher, buckled on its rusty armour and dispatched every warship, troopship and rowing boat available to the Falklands, 13,000km away....On June 14th the Argentines surrendered.
Three days later General Galtieri was awakened from a nap and, clad only in his underwear, told that he was no longer president. His angry former military colleagues wanted him executed by firing squad. Instead, he was sentenced to 12 years in jail for mishandling the Falklands conflict, and served five years.
There seems to be no dispute that high office fazed him. “Only Johnny Walker is crying”, was the headline in a Buenos Aires newspaper in a reference to the general's dependence on Scotch whisky.
When he joined the army as a young man he was interested in military engineering, and probably his ambitions should have stopped there. While a lieutenant he was noticed by American advisers attached to the Argentine army and in 1949 attended the School of the Americas...He is believed to be the only student in the history of the school to have failed the course.
“What most puzzles me”, says Oscar Raul Cardoso, an Argentine political analyst, “is how someone so mediocre in all senses reached the top.” Could it happen again? The answer is probably yes, again and again.
A disturbing number of parallels here...
http://bartcopnation.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=2&topic_id=340295&mesg_id=340305&page=9

[Streetdoc270]

20. An interesting theory

was entertained today during the Ohio hearings. A man said that 16 states do not have laws that force all their electors to give their votes to the candidate who received the majority vote, rather they can split by the % that their candidate actually won. Now he did not say which states so we are left to speculate. Would there be enough electoral votes in those states to turn the election?

[dazeconf]

21. But the Bush electors are loyal to Bush

Even if it is proven that Kerry won Ohio, the Bush electors from Ohio and elsewhere were chosen by the republican party. Unfortunately, it doesn't appear that the Ohio recount will be finished early enough to change Ohio's slate of electors. Once Ohio chooses the electors, only republican congress can reject them. If that doesn't happen, I highly doubt that you could get enough faithless Bush electors to reverse the election, unless someone digs up something really bad about Bush. Proof that Bush knew about 9/11 beforehand or that he always knew there were no WMDs might do it, but short of that, president chimp is likely to remain in office.