Message to the "Red States".

[wurzel]

Corporations have cut 100,000 jobs in the last two weeks. Jobless claims up again. Your kids may go hungry, homeless, and without health care. But at least they will know that gays can't marry, and they can have school prayer. It is all a matter of "values".

[borlis]

1. Heard Colgate-Palmolive is going to cut 12%

of it's workforce also. Do they think the "Godlike" Chimp will take two loaves of bread and a fish and feed the nation?

[wurzel]

4. It just totally unbelievable isn't it?

How could anyone with the record of Bush get even close to being elected?

[indigolady]

6. by cheating

[wurzel]

11. Bush may have won by cheating. But he should never have gotten so close

cheating was possible. I will never understand how so many could have chosen Bush over Kerry. A genuine hero lost to a costumed puppet.

[TlalocW]

2. What companies?

I know Colgate cut some jobs but what other companies, and are they located in the red states?

TlalocW

[wurzel]

5. It was just on our local "Business Report." They didn't specify.

[Coyote_Bandit]

3. Unemployed Schmuck in Crazy Red F*cking JOklahoma

for the past two years where potential employers have inquired regarding my political views, relgious faith, and personal relationships. BA, MA, MBA, JD.

Any blue staters willing to help oppressed dems living in red states escape and transition elsewhere?

[Sick_of_Rethuggery]

7. This is a terrific idea...

All those with "good" connections in blue states should help out suffering DUers in red states. (I live in THE RED STATE: Texas, which foisted this scourge on the nation :-()

[TlalocW]

8. Holy crap

I'm in Oklahoma too (Tulsa - Religious Wacko Land) and except for when I first moved here in 1998 and got a job through a placement agency full of religious nutjobs, I've never had that happen.

Where are you?

TlalocW

[Coyote_Bandit]

13. Tulsa

On edit: My work experience has been in traditionally conservative industries - insurance, banking, and investments.

[borlis]

9. Unbelievable!!!

Isn't their some law against asking questions like that? I thought it's even against the law to ask your age on an interview. Sorry but not many jobs here either. My husband is currently employed but is constantly looking for something else. He hardly ever gets a phone call on a resume he sends out. If he does get a call, he scares them off with the amount of $$ he is looking for. Apparently they love his 20 years experience, but want to pay him like he is just out of college.

[Coyote_Bandit]

15. Yes It is Against the Law n/t

[La Lioness Priyanka]

10. since when did christianity become a religion of bigotry

and not kindness...i dont get it...very un-jesuslike if you ask me!

[Taxloss]

12. Since when? Since St Paul.

Which is NOT to say that all Christians are bigots or anything close to it, but Paul really polluted the simple, pure and true message of the Gospel with a tonne of RW crap.

[TlalocW]

16. What exactly did Paul do?

I've heard this statement made before, but I've never researched it because being a democrat, my fingers burn and my eyes water whenever I pick up and try to read a bible.

TlalocW

[Coyote_Bandit]

19. Paul

was highly trained and influential in the Jewish religious establishment and was involved in the persecution (including the stoning death of one early Christian) of the early church. According to the Bible he had a miraculous Damascus road conversion to Chsristianity which involved temporary blindness among other things.

Jesus addressed his teachings to individuals. Paul addressed his teachings to the church - to the religious establishment. And in doing so he created all sorts of rules and fostered much of the self-righteous emphasis int he church.

[Taxloss]

20. He "clarified" and hardened many parts of Jesus' teaching.

Specifically, embargoes against homosexuality come from Paul, not the Gospel, and various other "conservative" stuff that is absent from Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

See, for starters:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_of_Tarsus#His_social_views_that_became_part_of_Christian_doctrine

And you shouldn't fear the Bible. I'm an atheist, but still consider it to be, in many parts, great literature and full of inspriation. My life is richer from reading it.

[wurzel]

28. We have almost no clue what Jesus taught.

Almost nothing is known about Jesus, but he is believed to have spoken Aramaic. There is not one word of his teaching in that language. No one knows who Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were. None of their original texts survive. The most complete text of a Gospel dates from about a thousand years after Jesus died. And I understand, which is ironical if true, it is in the Kremlin. The reason there is so much argument about all this is because, literally, no one knows what they are talking about. Yet many are quite willing to force all this on other people, and even kill each other over it.

[Taxloss]

29. Admittedly, we are scraping up fragments.

But the apostles will inevitably be closer to the "truth" than Paul, who wasn't there and twisted everything.

[RUDUing2]

23. links

http://www.letterneversent.com/index.php/archives/2002/02/22/the-problem-of-paul/

http://www.tblog.com/templates/index.php?bid=DrForbush&static=345144

http://www.wordwiz72.com/paul.html

[Spider Jerusalem]

14. You'd be better off saying "message to GOP voters".

Even in the so-called "red states", a significant number of the population voted Democratic (averaging around 40-47%). So making any blanket statement regarding "red states" is little more than stupid, ill-tempered stereotype. Nice way to paint with the broad brush there.

[wurzel]

21. "Red State" is a state of mind. It is not geographical.

[xchrom]

17. this is why we should declare open war on conservative christians

i'm lousy with a computer -- i can turn it on.
but if someone, somewhere were to keep a track of every embezzeled dollar, every sex abuse case, or whatever crime is commited by churches or prominent conservative christain types and if we were to use it in some kind of media blitz -- we could go a long way to neutering these folks.
i don't care if they shoot themselves in the foot -- i do care if they shoot me.
it's time to drag them through the fire.

[RUDUing2]

18. which is why dems in those red states worked so hard to try and convince

family, friends, neighbors, acquaintances, etc to vote against Bush...

But the response we got? These are two actual responses to me

"well thanks to Bush we can go the Mall without worrying about our safety" (my response was "no I can't cause thanks to Bush my dh's job was outsourced to China")

and

"at least with Bush we know what to expect" (my response "is that what you tell a woman in an abusive relationship? That they should stay with him cause at least they know what to expect?")

They really do not believe it matters who is president as far as the economy and jobs go..they really do not think it makes any difference in what happens. That is why they base their votes on "moral values"..they don't get that the repubs are borrow and spend...they just don't *get* the financial realities of the equation..for example..an ammendment was passed in Mo that all the money raised by highway tax would go to the Roads..that this would not cost the taxpayers a cent...it was passed overwhelmingly (like 79% for)..it is just now dawning on people that there is no money to take the place of the millions that the passage of this bill took away from education and social services...they somehow believed that it would not effect anything else to take the money away from other programs...


The job facing the dems is convincing these people that which party is in power does make a difference to their financial wellbeing....

[borlis]

24. I think mainstream America just doesn't pay attention.

They go to work, watch the evening news (maybe)etc. People generally are way too busy these days to pay attention to what's happening until it smacks them in the face. I'm pretty friendly with my repuke neighbor (she voted Bush, but thought Keyes was a lunatic so she did vote for Obama)and when I was telling her about the mental health screening stuff she was totally outraged. I told her to stay tuned it's going to get way better than just that. Couldn't bring myself to say Well, you voted for this, not me!!

[jojo54]

26. borlis, tell hub to go on monster.com

set up his resume there, but follow their tips. My hub is in purchasing, had his resume on monster but didn't get calls until he followed the tips - it was just a matter of changing a few words. It worked, he's gotten calls about 12 jobs in the last 6 weeks!

[borlis]

27. Thanks for the tip.

But the reality of it is that he is in the tool & die industry which he feels like is a dying industry. He said he could probably get a job in the same industry, but he thinks it's just a matter of time before the whole industry is in other countries. He is already in Mexico once or twice a month because his company has a plant there. He helped his previous employer set up business in China a few years ago. His problem is really that he wants to change the industry he works in which is really hard because this is all he has done for 20 years. I will give him your tips though. Thanks again and Happy Holidays! :D

[wurzel]

25. I guess we just have to wait till the pain gets so great even they feel it

911 happened on Bush's watch. How can they "feel safer" with him back in office? It don't make sense. And I see no way to change that.

[Skidmore]

22. The backlash will come. People will only tolerate this

extremism for so long.

[DinahMoeHum]

30. "Let Them Eat Moral Values" - bumpersticker suggestion.

:evilfrown:

[RealLiberal4U]

31. Not Me

I refuse to let an intellectually impaired clown have any impact on my life whatsoever!