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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 02:45 PM
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Kucinich: “The Iraqis Will Not Be Handed Freedom Based On Lies”
http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/oh10_kucinich/12_6iraq.html

For Immediate Release
Monday, December 6, 2004
Kucinich: “The Iraqis Will Not Be Handed Freedom Based On Lies”

Congressman Dennis J. Kucinich (D-OH), Co-Chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, gave the following speech today on the House floor:

“Nearly thirteen hundred brave American men and women have sacrificed their lives in Iraq. Yet the central reasons for the US invasion have fallen apart: Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction. No proof that Iraq was instrumental with Al Queda’s role in 9/11. Iraq was not trying to get nuclear materials from Niger. This Administration misled the Congress, misled the American people, violated international law, directed the bombings of populated areas, the disruption of water, sewer and electrical service, ordered house to house fighting, and now the civilian toll, by one account, is over 100,000 Iraqi civilians perished. Why?

“Freedom, if it is to be obtained anywhere, must be advanced under the standard of truth. The Iraqis will not be handed freedom based on lies. Nor will our own nation preserve our own freedoms if we continue to accept the basis for our continued occupation of Iraq.

“This Administration must be held accountable under our constitution and under international law for the disaster it has visited upon Iraq. Only the truth can clean the stain on our nation’s conscience.”

http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/oh10_kucinich/12_6iraq.html
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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 02:48 PM
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1. Yeah well Kucinich voted against parental consent in the NFC
and he can kiss my ass.

There is no excuse for anyone that voted against Ron Paul's bill.
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 03:04 PM
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7. Only One House Democrat Voted For It -- Taylor from MS
It failed 315 to 95. 94 of the 95 Ayes were repukes.
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2004/roll438.xml

Your attack on Kucinich in this regard is bizzare.
Perhaps laying of ritalin might help.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 08:57 PM
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14. And this has what to do with the topic?
Does "parental consent in the NFC" have something to do with Iraq, or with this press release?

Is anyone making an excuse here?

Do you have something to say about any of the statements made in this speech?
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masaka___ Donating Member (181 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 02:49 PM
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2. He's making too much sense.
Too bad America's ego can't handle it.

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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 02:51 PM
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3. Iraqi Freedom!?! What about my freedom as a parent to say I don't
want my children put on harmful drugs.

What about that freedom?

Apparently the Kooch, doesn't believe I deserve that, so fuck him.
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masaka___ Donating Member (181 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 09:05 PM
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15. I'll agree with you on the drug thing.
I think it's bad, too, and I don't know why Dennis voted for it.

However, his statement about the war is something I can agree with.

I think we'll just have to leave it at that for now.


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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 02:53 PM
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4. I would bear D.K.'s children
if I could :)
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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 02:54 PM
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5. I hope that your kids like being on ritalin, cause Kooch doesn't care.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 02:58 PM
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6. What are you talking about?
NFC?
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 03:08 PM
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8. I believe reference is to Sept 2004 attempt by Paul to amend HR 5006.
Edited on Thu Dec-09-04 03:09 PM by goodhue
What it has to do with Kucinich is beyond me, since it was not supported by any democrats save one from Mississippi.

See this account . . .

http://www.namiscc.org/News/2004/Fall/MentalHealthScreening.htm

Controversial Bill to Stop Mandatory Mental Health Screening Fails In Congress

Attempt to stop mental health screening funding fizzles

By Rhonda Robinson, Illinois Leader correspondent September 15, 2004

Texas Congressman Ron Paul's attempt to squelch federal funding for mental health screening of school children failed last week in Congress with a vote of 95 for and 315 against.

Four of the 95 amendment supporters were Illinois Republican House members Judy Biggert, Phil Crane, Don Manzullo and Tim Johnson.

Paul's amendment to the Labor, Health and Human Services, and Education Appropriations bill (HR5006) was an attempt to impede implementation of President Bush's New Freedom Commission recommendations, a program that authorizes and funds state programs for mental health screening of school children.

In a "Dear Colleague" letter Republican Congressman Paul sought support to stop the funding by warning Congress that federally funded universal mental health screening in public schools would lead to more children being labeled and forced into taking psychotropic drugs. He warned that the federal program allowed drugs to be prescribed even when parents withheld permission.

Paul wrote in the letter, "As you know, psychotropic drugs are increasingly prescribed for children who have shown nothing more than children's typical rambunctious behavior."

Children have been harmed by psychotropic drug side effects and parents who refuse them have been charged with child abuse, Paul said in the letter. He urged his fellow House members support in order to ensure that more children would not "spend their wonder years on state-approved psychotropic drugs."

Dr. Karen Effrem, pediatrician from Minnesota, said she had only three days to speak to the federal lawmakers about the pending vote. Effrem told IllinoisLeader.com that she was pleased with 95 supporting the amendment, but did not believe the Senate would consider the legislation.

Groups such as Eagle Forum, Concerned Women for America, Gun Owners of America, the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons and the International Center for the Study of Psychiatry and Psychology registered their opposition to a program requiring the universal screening of children's mental health.

Congressman Patrick J. Kennedy (D-MA), an opponent to the amendment sent also sent a "Dear Colleague" letter urging Congress to "Choose Science Not Stigma."

Kennedy's letter asserted that supporters of the amendment did not want screening for mental illnesses "because then we would not have to treat them."

The letter quoted the Surgeon General's Report on Mental Health that encourages drug therapy for behavior disorders, saying "A range of efficacious psychosocial and pharmacologic treatments exists for many mental disorders in children, including attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder, depression, and the disruptive disorders."

Dr. Effrem, who has been a vocal opponent to widespread use of psychotropic drugs for children, argues Kennedy's point by quoting an earlier Surgeon General Report which cautioned in 1999, "

sychostimulants do not appear to achieve long-term changes in outcomes such as peer relationships, social or academic skills, or school achievement."

Paul's amendment would have thwarted the development of Illinois' Children's Mental Health Partnership's Preliminary Plan, which has just come to Illinois parents' attention during a recent week of public hearings.

Illinois is the first state prepared to fully implement the federal recommendations, and the mental health partnership's final draft proposal to overhaul the state's mental health system is due on Governor Blagojevich's desk at the end of September.

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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 03:11 PM
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9. Paul's bill would have added parental consent to the bill
Kooch voted against it, and I am totally pissed about it.

I thought if anyone would voted against this it would be Kucinich, I was horribly wrong.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 03:18 PM
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11. thanks ... eom
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CornField Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 03:14 PM
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10. I'm glad to see Dennis saying this, however,
I'm not sure how he plans to hold the administration accountable. If he does have a plan, I wish he'd let me know so I could fight along with him.
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 03:34 PM
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13. call for exit plan . . .
http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/oh10_kucinich/041118exit.html

For Immediate Release
Thursday, November 18, 2004
Kucinich: We Must Have An Exit Strategy For Iraq

Congressman Dennis J. Kucinich (D-OH), Co-Chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, issued the following statement on the House floor yesterday:

“Mr. Speaker, the United States must begin to present an exit strategy in Iraq. Bombing the villages to save the villages is not an exit strategy. It is absolutely horrific that as many as 100,000 innocent civilians may have perished in Iraq. Stopping troops who have served their tour of duty from returning to their families is not an exit strategy. Expanding house-to-house fighting across Iraq is not an exit strategy.

“The United States must develop an exit strategy in Iraq. It must bring our troops home, and we must seek a new relationship with the United Nations to help make this possible.

“In the weeks ahead, I will join with other Members of the House in expanding this discussion. We have a new Congress coming up. We have to take new directions. And we can start by discussing a new direction for Iraq that will result in the United States getting out, bringing our troops home and reestablishing our relationship with the world.”

http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/oh10_kucinich/041118exit.html
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 03:31 PM
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12. And neither should we.
:kick:
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 10:02 PM
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16. Wow Dennis !!!....Way to come out!!
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 03:15 PM
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17. kick
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