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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 04:18 PM
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Thank You, DLC!!!
The following letter appeared in today's Minneapolis Star Tribune:

The Strib calls Norm Coleman's actions "an embarrassment." It says Coleman's call for U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan's resignation over the "oil-for-food" scandal is sordid. There is not one bit of evidence of wrongdoing, say the Strib editors.

So why is the Democratic Leadership Council calling for much the same thing? On Dec. 6, 2004, the council called for Annan to step aside in the investigation because he lacks credibility on this issue. Are they, too, getting their marching orders from Karl Rove? Their article is very supportive of Coleman's efforts.

It is the Strib's actions that are an embarrassment. You can't see past your own political veil.

Brian J. Bergs, Minneapolis.

http://www.startribune.com/stories/563/5127266.html


Once again the DLC assists the Republican Party in consolidating power in the US.

When did the DLC assume the role as Spokesmen for the Democratic Party?

If the DNC is not a Wholly Owned Subsidiary of the DLC, don't you think they (DNC) would contest these Pronouncements on Policy from the elephants in donkey suits?


This letter writer asks the question:
"Are they (the DLC)... getting their marching orders from Karl Rove?"

I ask the same question!
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 04:22 PM
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1. Forget the DLC and the DNC
They do not represent Democratic interests

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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 04:26 PM
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3. The DNC isnt inherently bad, just occupied by bad people now.
The DLC is, however, an organization that need'nt exist. We really dont need an organization devoted to becomigng a permanent minority party.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 04:24 PM
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2. The DLC can bite me.
I haven't decided about the DNC yet.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 04:31 PM
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5. The DNC, by their Media Silence and tolerance...
...of public Right Wing Policy statements disseminated by the DLC are endorsing these Policy Statements!

DNC to ALL Liberal Democrats: "Bend over and Assume the Position!"
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 04:27 PM
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4. Nice to see that Atrios, DailyKos and TalkingPointsMemo
all pick up the DLC is toast meme.

The GOP has seen to it that the DLC cannot get corporate donations. The DLC cannot get the small donations without grassroots support. But the DLC's favorite pasttime is pissing on the grassroots.

Ha! Dumb DLC.
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bushclipper Donating Member (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 04:32 PM
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6. Read it again
The writer is confused or misleading. Norm Coleman is asking Annan to resign as UN secretary.

The DLC is asking him not interfer with the investigation, mainly because his son is being investigated. Conflict of interests.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 04:41 PM
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7. It appears the DLC is purposely misleading
For three or four days the media spin has been that the DLC has joined with the rightwing GOP in its UN witchhunt. Has the DLC done anything to correct that conception? Answer, no.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 04:54 PM
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9. the dlc is nothing more than a bunch of conflicted repubs in drag.
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bushclipper Donating Member (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 04:54 PM
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10. well, that may or may not be, I don't know, but concerning THIS matter...
...namely the letter quoted, the writer has it wrong.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 04:51 PM
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8. Why are you acting so suprised by this latest betrayal?
Its not like it wasn't obvious long ago that we're living under the two party/same corporate master system of government. If you hadn't realized that fact earlier, Clinton's run in office should have woken you up. C'mon, tell me that a real Dem would have pushed through half the corporate friendly, distinctly no Dem legislation that Bill did.

Face it friend, both major political parties are in the back pockets of their corporate sponsors. It is up to us to change thing, for we can no longer depend on these so called "leaders". I would suggest that if you want to bring about meaningful change that you do what I and millions of others have done, and that is join the Green party. Left, liberal leaning, not tied down with corporate money, and wanting to bring about a REAL change to this country.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 05:22 PM
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11. Not really that surprised.
Merely reporting the latest outrage.

I live in a state that has a very active Green party, and I vote Green when possible. For strategic reasons, I ( and many of my greener friends)campaigned and voted for Kerry in '04. Many of us now feel we wasted our vote.

I'm not ready to abandon the Democratic Party just yet. As long as people like D Kucinich are still fighting, I will fight with them until 2006. If by then there is no change in party leadership or platform, I will bail.

Until then, I will be working to catalyze a progressive reform within the Democratic Party.
http://www.pdamerica.org/



Rep Dennis Kucinich from the floor of the House Dec. 6, 2004
Mr. Speaker, nearly 1,300 brave American men and women have sacrificed their lives in Iraq. Yet the central reasons for the U.S. invasion have fallen apart: Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction, there is no proof that Iraq was instrumental with al Qaeda's role in 9/11, and Iraq was not trying to get nuclear materials from Najir.

This administration misled the Congress, misled the American people, violated international law, directed the bombings of populated areas causing the disruption of water, sewer, and electrical service, ordered house-to-house fighting, and now, the civilian toll, by one account, is over 100,000 Iraqi civilians perished. Why?

Freedom, if it is to be obtained anywhere, must be advanced under the standard of truth. The Iraqis will not be handed freedom based on lies, nor will our own Nation preserve our freedoms if we continue to accept the basis for our occupation of Iraq.

This administration must be held accountable under international law for the disaster it visited upon Iraq. Only the truth can clean the stain on our Nation's conscience. (my bold)
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 05:40 PM
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12. I think a lot of us Greens and liberals are feeling the same way you do
That we dropped what we were doing with the Greens to get in and push behind Kerry, and now all of that time, effort, money etc. have been wasted, gone down the memory hole without even a fight. Hell, it took Nader, the Greens and the Libertarians to start calling for recounts.

I got suckered this time, along with a lot of other people. Bush was, and is, so over the fucking top that we felt we had to go ABB. Not again friend, I've had it with the Democratic party, may they go rot in hell. And that's truly sad, for I've been a Democrat all of my life, and in that forty year plus span of time, the party has done nothing but go downhill.

I agree with you about Kucinich, he is truly a good man, one of the few left in the Democratic party. He is probably the only Democrat that I might even consider working and voting for. But sad to say, the DLC/DNC corporate Dems are going to stifle his voice, just as they've stifled every other true liberal voice for the past thirty years.

I wish you luck on your attempt to change the party from within. But be prepared for a huge let down. I've been down that road way too much to even retain the illusion that what we in the rank and file care about matters to these so called "leaders". Unless you're dropping down at least ten thousand, you're not noticed. I'm done with it, screw the party, forget about reforming from within. The party just keeps following that corporate cash further and further right. I'm going to devote my efforts, time, money and votes to the Greens. At least they are working for real change, and aren't beholden to corporate cash. Hey, if the Dems keep driving away people in droves, the Greens will become the viable second party in this country. That's what I'm working for.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 05:47 PM
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13. I understand, my brother.
Go in Peace, and save a place for me.
I'll be rearranging the chairs on the sinking ship.
I couldn't forgive myself if I don't try ONE LAST TIME.

http://www.pdamerica.org/
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 06:19 PM
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14. DLC backing up?
from DLC email 12/6:

"This development has fed growing doubts that the United Nations will be able to own up to its problems or reform its operations so long as Annan remains at the helm."

..."The secretary general should place this critical mission ahead of his personal interests, and step aside."


And then from them on 12/7:

"(CORRECTION: the original sub-headline of yesterday's New Dem Daily mistakenly summarized the piece as calling for Kofi Annan's resignation. Actually, in calling for the secretary general to "step aside," we simply meant to convey that he should remove himself from any involvement in the oil-for-food investigation,"

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