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Sat Dec-11-04 08:00 AM
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Poll question: Which group (if any) is the most taken for granted by the Democratic party |
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Edited on Sat Dec-11-04 08:02 AM by Truth Hurts A Lot
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Sat Dec-11-04 08:11 AM
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Edited on Sat Dec-11-04 08:15 AM by Seldona
Rural voters. Midwestern and Southern voters is what I mean actually.
Since they can and do include everything on that list, and it seems to be okay to rip on them at will.
Edited to add content.
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Sat Dec-11-04 08:23 AM
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3. I do not know that this is true |
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I read a couple pieces on rural places that Bush slowed down to 60mph going thru towns, but Kerry would stop and give a short talk.
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Sat Dec-11-04 08:17 AM
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Sat Dec-11-04 08:38 AM
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4. Other - environmentalists n/t |
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Sat Dec-11-04 08:48 AM
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Sat Dec-11-04 08:49 AM
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6. Who else are "african americans" going to vote for? |
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Sat Dec-11-04 11:35 AM
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9. Well...I was going to go for other...... |
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...but after reading your post, I vote for "African-Americans". Talk about the ultimate example of someone taking them for granted!
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Sat Dec-11-04 12:53 PM
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14. Reminds me of Bulworth |
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Where the poltician is giving a speech to his mostly black district, and he says something like, 'yeah, I've voted for a lot of things that you're against, but what are you going to do? Vote republican? Ha'
or something along those lines, I haven't seen that movie in awhile
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Sat Dec-11-04 10:41 AM
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7. The KKK - They just can't seem to get a seat at our table, like they do at |
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Sat Dec-11-04 11:30 AM
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8. The "rank-and-file" who gave them most of their money this election cycle. |
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That's us and a lot more like us.
They're too hung up on the power-brokers and leadership.
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Sat Dec-11-04 11:40 AM
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10. Working class Americans (regardless of race or sex) |
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blue collar hardworking Americans are who the Democrats should identify themselves with, and sadly they've abandoned their former position of working for the little guy in order to compete with the GOP in fundraising.
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Sat Dec-11-04 12:56 PM
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15. They dont take them for granted, they ignore them. |
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The democratic party is the 'middle class party' now, didnt you get the memo?
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Sat Dec-11-04 11:50 AM
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Sat Dec-11-04 12:51 PM
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13. I'd have to disagree with that |
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First of all, Cubans are mostly repubs (lingering bitterness of the bay of pigs). And here in NM, there's been a lot of hand wringing over how Catholics as a group are becoming less and less democratic. This is probably the single largest region NM went (ever so slightly) red in this year. Turnout was horrible in the northern NM counties that contain the democratic base for the state. A lot of us here think it due to the church continually preaching about the 'culture of life' and such. While a lot of people couldn't bring themselves to vote for * they were made to feel bad for a Kerry vote.
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Sat Dec-11-04 12:56 PM
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16. They cant take hispanics for granted, hispanics arent a dem voting block. |
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Hispanics are a swing group.
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Sat Dec-11-04 07:20 PM
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I meant that we were taking them for granted in that we weren't making an effort to reach out to them enough. But you're right.
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Sat Dec-11-04 10:30 PM
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30. they went Dem for the last 4 elections (maybe more, don't know off the top |
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of my head).
that's pretty good.
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Sat Dec-11-04 12:04 PM
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The party just assumes that young people who vote will vote Democratic while doing nothing to ensure that they actually will.
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Sat Dec-11-04 01:03 PM
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17. All left of DLC Democrats and Progressives. |
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Sat Dec-11-04 01:08 PM
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18. Here is the truth of the situation. |
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The democratic party is currently under the control of a group of middle class fiscally conservative career centrists.
Anyone who votes democratic and isnt middle class, fiscally conservative centrist(different than moderate), is being taken for granted.
This includes a large part of the black community, liberals, progressives and the working class, amongst others.
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Sat Dec-11-04 01:17 PM
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20. THAT is the true answer! eom |
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Sat Dec-11-04 11:32 PM
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32. I agree and it infuriates me!! |
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Al From made his position very clear on CSPAN a couple days ago. He basically said he doesn't care if liberals leave the party, doesn't want them, and isn't willing to say or do anything to try to keep them, but he thinks Democrats should do everything possible to try to pander to the right wing in the hope that a few of them might decide to vote for Democrats. :crazy:
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Sat Dec-11-04 01:11 PM
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19. Definitely liberals, but this is a depressing poll |
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But you've pointed out one of our biggest weaknesses: constituencies that often care strictly about their own issues to the detriment of all the others. I can't count the timesw I've talked to gays who get all shrill saying "I want my same-sex marriage equal rights NOW!" (apparently forgetting that just a generation ago, gays in most places had to slink covertly to go to a gay bar) or African-Americans who want their interests represented, but resent the gays presenting gay rights as a civil rights issue (when of course, it is one.)
The democratic party hasn't done much for unions lately as far as I can see, or women. Hell, that's another problem, what recent achievements do we have to point to? Welfare deform? NAFTA? Family Leave? That tiny increase in the minimum wage almost a decade ago?
It's so sad that the best our party can promise us now is to slightly slow down the GOP steamroller of destruction, rather than any actual progress.
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Sat Dec-11-04 01:17 PM
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21. Toss up between Gays, Atheists, and African Americans |
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A lot of our candidates pander and then do someting completely different.
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Sat Dec-11-04 01:19 PM
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22. I voted Other because K-W 's post #18 tells the real truth. |
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Read it and see if you don't agree.
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Sat Dec-11-04 01:24 PM
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24. And this is the real reason we keep |
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falling short. Also these centrists refuse to address BBV and other voting problems, like it is a conspiracy theory. If we don't have accurate elections, and there is fraud, etc, with the GOP in power, and no checks and balances, it own't matter because our votes won't count even when we vote Dem.
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Sat Dec-11-04 07:23 PM
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If the Democratic party would spend more time focusing on women's issues, we wouldn't have "security moms," and we wouldn't have single women who didn't vote. Since they make up 50% of the population, women are the largest "minority," and the one that would most ensure our victory.
It's 2004, and we still don't even get equitable pay.
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Sat Dec-11-04 08:06 PM
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27. Other: the Underclass/Poor |
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The underclass is taken advantage of by both parties these days...wasn't always like that, but alas.
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Sat Dec-11-04 08:07 PM
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28. People who fear that a few very large corporations control America |
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Sat Dec-11-04 10:17 PM
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Edited on Sat Dec-11-04 10:18 PM by Husb2Sparkly
Remember them? The one's who always voted Democrat? Remember them? The ones who are in unions? Remember them? The middle of America, evenly disrtibuted in red and blue states? Remember them?
Economic populism. When was the last time that was emphasized? The Republican's now get their vote over and over. Why? Fact is, we have the side of the issues that favor them. Why don't we get their votes?
Inellectualism and nuance, that's why. We reach conclusions through intellectualism and nuance, and that's a good thing.
But why do speak with intellectual words and nuanced positions?
Keep the message simple. Keep the message on populism. Keep the message on economics favorable to working Americans.
Do the mental masturbation in private. Nobody wants to see it.
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Sat Dec-11-04 10:47 PM
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There was outreach efforts, as far as I know, to every group that votes except for them. They've been taken for granted since the 70s, but then again they don't have much of a choice there.
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