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alexisfree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 09:02 AM
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a Michael Moore letter .....read
Edited on Mon Dec-13-04 09:37 AM by alexisfree
12/13/04

Dear Friends,

It is no surprise that the Republicans are sore winners. They have spent the better part of the past month beating their chests, threatening to send to Siberia any Republican who doesn’t toe the line (poor Arlen Specter), and promising everything short of martial law if the Democrats don’t do what they are told.

What’s worse is to watch the pathetic sight of the DLC (the conservative, pro-corporate group of Democrats) apologizing for being Democrats and promising to “purge” the party of the likes of, well, all of US! Their comments are so hilarious and really not even worth recognizing but the media is paying so much attention to them, I thought it might be worth doing a little reality check.

The most people the DLC is able to get out to an event of theirs is about 200 at their annual dinner (where you have to pay thousands of dollars to get in).

Contrast this with the following:

* Total Members of Move On: More than 2,000,000
* Total Attendance at Vote for Change Concerts: An estimated 280,000
* Total Union Members in U.S.: Around 16,000,000
* Total Number of People Who Have Seen “Fahrenheit 9/11”: Over 50 million
* Total Number of You Reading This: Perhaps 10 million or more

The days of trying to move the Democratic Party to the right are over. We lost a very close election (a one-state difference) by running the #1 liberal in the Senate. Not bad. The country is shifting in our direction, not to the right. But the country was attacked and people were scared. They were manipulated with fear. And America has never thrown a sitting president out during wartime. That’s the facts. Oh, and our candidate could have run a better campaign (but we’ll have that discussion another day).

In the meantime, while we reflect on what went wrong, I would like to pass on to you an essay that a friend who works with abuse victims sent to me. It was written by a woman who has spent years working as an advocate for victims of domestic abuse and she sees many parallels between her work and the reaction of many Democrats to last month’s election. Her name is Mel Giles and here is what she had to say…


Watch Dan Rather apologize for not getting his facts straight, humiliated before the eyes of America, voluntarily undermining his credibility and career of over thirty years. Observe Donna Brazille squirm as she is ridiculed by Bay Buchanan, and pronounced irrelevant and nearly non-existent. Listen as Donna and Nancy Pelosi and Senator Charles Schumer take to the airwaves saying that they have to go back to the drawing board and learn from their mistakes and try to be better, more likable, more appealing, have a stronger message, speak to morality. Watch them awkwardly quote the bible, trying to speak the ‘new’ language of America. Surf the blogs, and read the comments of dismayed, discombobulated, confused individuals trying to figure out what they did wrong. Hear the cacophony of voices, crying out, "Why did they beat me?"

And then ask anyone who has ever worked in a domestic violence shelter if they have heard this before.

They will tell you: Every single day.

The answer is quite simple. They beat us because they are abusers. We can call it hate. We can call it fear. We can say it is unfair. But we are looped into the cycle of violence, and we need to start calling the dominating side what they are: abusive. And we need to recognize that we are the victims of verbal, mental, and even, in the case of Iraq, physical violence.

As victims we can't stop asking ourselves what we did wrong. We can't seem to grasp that they will keep hitting us and beating us as long as we keep sticking around and asking ourselves what we are doing to deserve the beating.

Listen to George Bush say that the will of God excuses his behavior. Listen, as he refuses to take responsibility, or express remorse, or even once, admit a mistake. Watch him strut, and tell us that he will only work with those who agree with him, and that each of us is only allowed one question (soon, it will be none at all; abusers hit hard when questioned; the press corps can tell you that). See him surround himself with only those who pledge oaths of allegiance. Hear him tell us that if we will only listen and do as he says and agree with his every utterance, all will go well for us (it won't; we will never be worthy).

And watch the Democratic Party leadership walk on eggshells, try to meet him, please him, wash the windows better, get out that spot, distance themselves from gays and civil rights. See the Democrats cry for the attention and affection and approval of the President and his followers. Watch us squirm. Watch us descend into a world of crazy-making, where logic does not work and the other side tells us we are nuts when we rely on facts. A world where, worst of all, we begin to believe we are crazy.

How to break free? Again, the answer is quite simple.

First, you must admit you are a victim. Then, you must declare the state of affairs unacceptable. Next, you must promise to protect yourself and everyone around you that is being victimized. You don't do this by responding to their demands, or becoming more like them, or engaging in logical conversation, or trying to persuade them that you are right. You also don't do this by going catatonic and resigned, by closing up your ears and eyes and covering your head and submitting to the blows, figuring its over faster and hurts less if you don't resist and fight back.

Instead, you walk away. You find other folks like yourself, 57 million of them, who are hurting, broken, and beating themselves up. You tell them what you've learned, and that you aren't going to take it anymore. You stand tall, with 57 million people at your side and behind you, and you look right into the eyes of the abuser and you tell him to go to hell. Then you walk out the door, taking the kids and gays and minorities with you, and you start a new life. The new life is hard. But it's better than the abuse.

We have a mandate to be as radical and liberal and steadfast as we need to be. The progressive beliefs and social justice we stand for, our core, must not be altered. We are 57 million strong. We are building from the bottom up. We are meeting, on the net, in church basements, at work, in small groups, and right now, we are crying, because we are trying to break free and we don't know how.

Any battered woman in America, any oppressed person around the globe who has defied her oppressor will tell you this: There is nothing wrong with you. You are in good company. You are safe. You are not alone. You are strong. You must change only one thing: Stop responding to the abuser.

Don't let him dictate the terms or frame the debate (he'll win, not because he's right, but because force works). Sure, we can build a better grassroots campaign, cultivate and raise up better leaders, reform the election system to make it fail-proof, stick to our message, learn from the strategy of the other side. But we absolutely must dispense with the notion that we are weak, godless, cowardly, disorganized, crazy, too liberal, naive, amoral, "loose,” irrelevant, outmoded, stupid and soon to be extinct. We have the mandate of the world to back us, and the legacy of oppressed people throughout history.

Even if you do everything right, they'll hit you anyway. Look at the poor souls who voted for this nonsense. They are working for six dollars an hour if they are working at all, their children are dying overseas and suffering from lack of health care and a depleted environment and a shoddy education.

And they don't even know they are being hit.


How true. And that is our challenge over the next couple of years; to hold out our hand to those being hit the hardest and help them leave behind a party that only seeks to keep beating them, their children, and the kid next door who’s on his way to Iraq.

Yours,

Michael Moore



Edited due to a misspelling word on subject oopps!!!!!!!!!
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Sara Beverley Donating Member (989 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 09:13 AM
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1. What do you resent? His opinion?
I don't find anything wrong with his letter. I find it to be spot on!
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 09:19 AM
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5. I think "resent" should actually be "recent" n/t
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alexisfree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 09:40 AM
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14. mmm
Misspelling word!! I had meant to say recent!!
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 09:14 AM
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2. sometimes it helps to point out what you resent about the letter
you know, so we can debate your resentment.
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Child_Of_Isis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 09:15 AM
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3. You have to admit,
the man has insight. I don't associate the word "resent" with him though.
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kiki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 09:15 AM
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4. Hehe
Edited on Mon Dec-13-04 09:16 AM by kiki
Don't know if you two are in sarcasm mode, but I think the OP meant 'recent'.
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China_cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 09:20 AM
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6. Which, if that's the case
means we REALLY need to start cracking down when it comes to spelling.

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alexisfree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 09:42 AM
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16. yes
ok, ok, yes ...my fault :spank:
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 09:22 AM
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7. And exactly what do you resent? He speaks volumes to me.
After watching the DNC disappear after the election, and now listening to everyone beat up everyone else, I agree. There are calls to move to the center. Let's give up gays, pro-choice, implement even greater tax cuts for the rich and move to the center? News flash...compared to the Refundicans, we are the center.

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Alisa Donating Member (169 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 09:27 AM
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8. this touched me deeply - I worked in the sexual violence field
for years (years ago) and forgot the truth of these words. This has helped clarify things for me again.

Thank you
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Alisa Donating Member (169 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 10:42 AM
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21. Why this is useful commentary - why it has helped me refocus
I guess the bottom line here for me is that "negotiating", "placating", "trying to do better" is the knee-jerk form of the battered person's response - point shown by the battered womens movement. The behavior that this immediately comes to my mind is the centrist direction of the party, the shame of being a "liberal", dropping gays, apologizing for abortion rights, trying to prove we are as moral as Repub's (I hope more so). The above behavior, "negotiating", "placating", "trying to do better", is fine in a relationship that is respectful and mutual in a "give and take" kind of way. Does anyone here remember when the repub party was like that? I think things started to turn really ugly with Newt, and have only gotten worse from there. Our overall response has been respectful, courteous, willing to work with the repubs. When they have been backed against the wall (like in 2000 election) their party leadership really showed a seamy, dishonest, corrupt reaction. They only wanted to win - at any cost - and it's seems to be that way ever since. We are not dealing with people who will respond to "negotiating", "placating", "trying to do better" behavior and a respectful and valuing way.

We need to keep this in mind when we develope strategy to fight. I am not ashamed for being liberal - I'm ultra liberal in fact (and very very proud of it). And I am feeling more radical today then at any other point of my life. There is a place for compromise - but I haven't seen that spirit within the repub party for decades, and our (dems) attempts have more than anything had the stink of appeasement. If the democratic party - meaning we the people of it - don't start fighting back HARDER, without apologies - kinda like when I was a kid during the Viet Nam period, then who will? We need large numbers of people coordinated to be seen by our fellow citizens - and even the world - protesting! Gandhi, King showed us eloquently how this will make change - there is no doubt of it.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 09:30 AM
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9. great letter, Mel Giles essay
is especially insightful!
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HeeBGBz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 09:33 AM
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10. I believe alex meant "recent" not "resent"
That's my take on it anyway.
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alexisfree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 09:44 AM
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18. thank you...
yes freaking alex is free to speak up! and... she screws it up!!
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blurp Donating Member (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 09:33 AM
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11. Sorry, but bad form
The important issue of domestic abuse should never be used as a metaphor for losing an election.

Sorry, but I just think this is tasteless and doesn't respect the seriousness of the problem of domestic abuse.











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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 09:38 AM
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12. Good metaphor
This is Goddess40's mom. I think this is a great metaphor. Moore doesn't downplay the seriousness of abuse. What I understood from his letter is the Democrats have to stand up on their two hind legs and fight the bully Repukes. There is going to be a drag down fight in the Democratic Party and it is long overdue. We need to quit trying to be Repuke lite and become Democratic strong.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 09:46 AM
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20. Actually, no
As long as you keep fighting, you continue to give them power. You keep the ball in play. The letter is suggesting we simply get up and move forward WITHOUT THEM. More along the lines of, "That's an interesting Republican opinion, but here's what we think, here's what we're going to do, this is why, who's with us." Don't give 1 second of time to anything they have to say at all.

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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 09:39 AM
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13. I thought it was perfect
It's exactly how I feel. I don't think it takes anything away from the seriousness of domestic abuse and in fact makes an argument for why people should leave whatever abusive situation they find themselves in.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 09:42 AM
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17. It's NOT a metaphor AT ALL
It is EXACTLY what is happening in this country. EXACTLY. The Republican Party is primarily made up of white males and the women who love them. Why the hell else do they need their own party except for the need to beat everybody else down????


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Child_Of_Isis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 11:17 AM
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22. "Losing" an election?
Call me a conspiracy theorist then, because I am convinced that both elections were stolen.
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 03:24 PM
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26. I'm a survivor and I don' t find this tasteless in the least
nor do I think it lacks respect for the seriousness of DA. I've been saying this since GWB got in office in 2000 and I'll keep saying it. It is the most apt metaphor I've seen to date and it's the reason my PTSD has resurfaced after all these years. I'm yet again living the hell of not knowing when the next blow is coming or why, but knowing it will come no matter what.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 04:14 PM
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30. i think you don't respect the seriousness of election fraud
and in general the 'rigging of the game'.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 09:40 AM
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15. well hell yes
It's about fucking time. At least the words from the domestic violence counselor. Some finally get that we ran one of the most liberal Senators in Congress, and very nearly won. Better late than never I guess. In any event, they are intimidating, domineering, abusive, fucks. That is how they won, period. And they may well have cheated in the process.

We take it back by demanding equality. Starting with, an Equitable Economic Policy: fair access to livelihood, education, and resources; full participation in the political and cultural life of the community; and self-determination in meeting fundamental needs.

and in the words of John Kennedy:

"What kind of peace do I mean? What kind of peace do we seek? Not a Pax Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war. Not the peace of the grave or the security of the slave. I am talking about genuine peace, the kind of peace that makes life on earth worth living, the kind that enables men and nations to grow and to hope and to build a better life for their children--not merely peace for Americans but peace for all men and women--not merely peace in our time but peace for all time."
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 09:45 AM
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19. MM speaks truth ......MM is CORRECT!!!!...I AM A LIBERAL AND PROUD
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alexisfree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 03:14 PM
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24. same here....
LIBERAL !! "give me liberty of give me death"
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 02:55 PM
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23. I finally had the chance to read it in email
I completely agree with him. Given how badly the administration has been performing, it's not even that hard to point at the bully and say what needs to be said. Especially with 57 million friends behind you.
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m0nkeyneck Donating Member (274 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 03:22 PM
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25. although often agreeing w/ certain points found in his jibberish
tasteless WT fatboy micheal moore does not speak 4 this proud lib; i know it's unpopular but i don't care..
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 03:30 PM
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27. He's still my hero
And the DLC is quickly losing me. Sometimes I think the only reason I'm not green is they don't stand a chance in an election.
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Bragi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 03:51 PM
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28. A powerful letter
The abuse worker's letter really says a lot to me. I have been part of an active discussion group of professionals for the past few years. Most of the active debaters are American right-wingers, but there's a few of us who aren't either RW or American. Debate has raged there since the war, and I was a major participant.

Post-election, I found I just couldn't stomach them anymore, so I stopped posting, and came here (DU) to be among more amicable people.

I've been having some difficulty, though, justifying to myself why I wanted to "walk away" from that group. I know now that debate with that group is pointless, that I'm never going to convince the right-wing foamers of anything, and all that happens is that I get tightly wound up and frustrated by their lies, misinformation and bullshit. But I still felt like I had some obligation to debate my views with them.

Anyway, I walked away, and now someone has explained to me why this is the right thing to do. I feel much better now. Turns out I don't have a responsibility to try to change the minds of RW ideologues through debate. What I need to do is to move on, get with like-minded people, and we can build from there.

Cool.

- B
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 04:13 PM
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29. original "First, you must admit you are a victim"
(from a post earlier on DU)

...analysis from Mel Gilles, an advocate for victims of domestic abuse, who draws some parallels between her work and the reaction of many Democrats to the election. It was posted at: http://mathewgross.com/blog/archives/001041.html


******
The Politics of Victimization

"...They beat us because they are abusers. We can call it hate. We can call it fear. We can say it is unfair. But we are looped into the cycle of violence, and we need to start calling the dominating side what they are: abusive. And we need to recognize that we are the victims of verbal, mental, and even, in the case of Iraq, physical violence.
"As victims we can’t stop asking ourselves what we did wrong. We can’t seem to grasp that they will keep hitting us and beating us as long as we keep sticking around and asking ourselves what we are doing to deserve the beating."

<snip>

"How to break free? Again, the answer is quite simple."

"First, you must admit you are a victim. Then, you must declare the state of affairs unacceptable. Next, you must promise to protect yourself and everyone around you that is being victimized.
You don’t do this by responding to their demands, or becoming more like them, or engaging in logical conversation, or trying to persuade them that you are right. You also don’t do this by going catatonic and resigned, by closing up your ears and eyes and covering your head and submitting to the blows, figuring its over faster and hurts less is you don’t resist and fight back.
Instead, you walk away. You find other folks like yourself, 56 million of them..."

<more>
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