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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 03:56 PM
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Interesting church/state fact. Useful for debating the issue.
Edited on Tue Dec-14-04 04:02 PM by Taxloss
The year the words "In God We Trust" first appeared on dollar bills was ....

(drum roll)

... 1956. During the Red Scare and McCarthyism.



Sorry if this is common knowledge. it was a revelation to me.


(Edited to correct boneheaded error)
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RPM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 03:59 PM
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1. don't forget....
... "In god we trust" was added just before that.

:eyes:
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Technowitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 04:01 PM
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2. And "Under God" added to the Pledge then, too.
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 04:02 PM
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3. Gaaaah! Of course, that's what I mean.
Curse my rush to post.

Sorry, I'll edit it.
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AllegroRondo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 04:02 PM
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4. I think you mean "in god we trust"
which first appeared on paper money in 1957

it appeared on coins in 1862, during the civil war, to show that god was on the side of the union.


"one nation, under god" was added to the pledge of allegiance in 1957 or 58.
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clydefrand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 04:07 PM
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6. Just found this about the pledge.
In 1954, Congress after a campaign by the Knights of Columbus, added the words, 'under God,' to the Pledge. The Pledge was now both a patriotic oath and a public prayer.

http://history.vineyard.net/pledge.htm
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 04:13 PM
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9. It only appeared on a single level of coin currency in 1862
The two cent piece was the only coin to show "in god we trust" in 1862. This was Salmon P. Chase, the Secretary of the Treasury, weighing in on the subject with his "two cents worth".
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elemnopee Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 04:07 PM
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5. Check out this book...
The Godless Constitution, The Case Against Religious Correctness

My Pepperdine (yes Ken Starr Pepperdine) POSC Professor required it for his class, the fundies in my class got pissed.

My favorite section is devoted to Religous leaders in the 1700's claiming the Constitution was creating a secular state because there was no religous test for public office.

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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 04:11 PM
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7. Don't we have an unofficial religious test for public office today???
I mean, can an Atheist or an Agnostic win an office in the House of Rep. or the Senate today? Are there any in Congress now?
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 04:17 PM
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11. It not UNoffical; there are actually seven states
Edited on Tue Dec-14-04 04:21 PM by MindPilot
(IIRC--I'm doing this off the top of my head here) which have clauses in their constitutions specificly banning Athiests from holding public office and one or two of those prohibit non-believers from jury service or even being a witness in court.
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elemnopee Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 03:27 PM
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12. There still is no (official) federal test
Jefferson was an atheist, and all of our founding fathers were diests, despite what the fundies say.


There is also a good chance that Nixon's Quakerism was for show and he was actually an atheist.(but that proves your point about an unofficial test)

My main point was that there were so many religous leaders outraged that there was no religous test included in the constitution, they called America a secualr state.
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 04:16 PM
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10. I found it in "Greenback: The Almighty Dollar"
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 04:12 PM
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8. the US was not a "Christian Nation" until the mid-fifties
That's when "under god" was added to the pledge, "in god we trust" showed up on the money and the old national motto "E Pluribus Unum" was recinded.

Another couple of little known factoids: Forcing school children to recite the Pledge was ruled unconstitutional in (IIRC) 1942 in a suit brought by (IIRC) a group of Mennonites who were opposed to government mandated oath-taking.

The no-prayer-in-school suit usually attributed to an Atheist--Madilyn Murry O'Hair--was in fact orginally brought by a Catholic who was opposed to Catholic children being required to recite a Protestant prayer.
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