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Jeff in Cincinnati Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 01:54 PM
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How many DU'ers are Precinct Captains?
I can't tell you how pissed off I am that the DNC would even consider Tim Roemer for Chair. It's clear that the inside-the-beltway, deal-making, tasseled-loafers crowd is completely out of touch with the Democratic grassroots.

I'm curious how many of us have leadership roles within our local Democratic Party, and how many of us it would take to start an insurrection.

I'll start off -- Precinct Executive in Springfield JJ; Ward Chairman for Springfield Township, Hamilton County, OH.
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El Supremo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 02:10 PM
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1. I handled two precincts. Mine and a neighboring one.
Nobody showed up for about a quarter of my county's precinct caucuses (we are heavily Republican).
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Jeff in Cincinnati Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 02:12 PM
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3. Was that for the Kerry Campaign or for your County Party?
There's a difference -- we had Precinct Captains for the Kerry Campaign who have no official voice in the county party. We can't hijack our local parties unless we have the votes to do it.
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El Supremo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 02:18 PM
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6. No separate presidential officials here.
We will be voting in February for a new executive committee. From what I've heard, it will be a complete housecleaning. But not just because of the presidential campaign.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 02:11 PM
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2. 30th precinct, Pasco County Florida
And yes, there are a lot of us very pissed off at the County, State and DNC. Some of us are considering dropping out of the County apparatus and working with other groups, such as PDA.
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Jeff in Cincinnati Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 02:14 PM
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4. Please Don't!
Not that you can't be affiliated with another organization, certainly, but I believe the way to save the Democratic Party is to organize the progressive wing and grab the reigns away from the DLC. We can't do that unless we're on the inside.
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Cuban_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 02:15 PM
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5. Committeman for Paradise Prairie Twp. Precinct #3.
Edited on Wed Dec-15-04 02:15 PM by Cuban_Liberal
:)
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Jeff in Cincinnati Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 03:27 PM
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7. Kick
That's it? No wonder the DLC has its way.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 03:32 PM
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9. Jeff, how do I do it?
I've only attempted to run as a delegate before, and that's tricky as hell.

Sign me up for an insurrection. It's long overdue.
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Jeff in Cincinnati Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 03:50 PM
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11. This applies to Ohio...
But if you're interested and live in another state, I'll be more than happy to do the research to get you started.

For Ohio:

The Precinct Executive (or Precinct Captain) is the lowest elected official in the State of Ohio. But the position does gives you the right to vote within the County Democratic Party, including voting on the executive leadership.

Precinct Executives are elected every two years during the even-year primaries. To get on the ballot, you need only obtain a nominating petition from the Board of Elections and then get five signatures from Democrats in your precinct (Independent and Non-Affiliated Voters are OK -- just no Republicans). Assuming that nobody else is on the ballot for Precinct Executive, which is usually the case, all you have to do is vote for yourself and you win!

At other times of the year, you can be appointed to a Precinct Executive position by contacting your Ward Chair and expressing an interest. The County Party then checks your voting record to make sure you are really a Democrat, then sends you a letter of appointment.

In your particular case, Jen, I'm pretty sure that you don't currently have a Ward Chair -- if you're still living where you were living last summer -- so PM me and I'll take your name to the County Party for consideration.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 12:21 AM
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18. Kick... and Jeff, you're the coolest.
Check your inbox!!!!
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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 03:30 PM
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8. Ward Chair, Evanston Illinois.
9th Ward
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 03:50 PM
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10. This is how to take control of the party
Regardless of what Dean does or who becomes the DNC Chair. I've seen counties where very progressive people got elected Chairman and changed the direction of the Democratic Party in their area because enough liberal activists got involved. If this is done in enough areas we will have a new Democratic Party. I'm sure most people here realize that it takes more than email and MoveOn petitions to take a party back.
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Jeff in Cincinnati Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 03:52 PM
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12. Check out these guys...
A totally grassroots organiztion started just a few years back in Illinois. We need lots more like 'em.

http://www.stevensonsociety.org/
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 04:01 PM
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13. Thanks for the link
I may have to connect with this group.
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Jeff in Cincinnati Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 09:50 AM
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20. They're great people...
The Dem's in the Bloomington/Normal area were apparently very "old school" and not very grassroots at all. The Stevenson Society has been like a shot of adrenaline.
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 04:15 PM
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14. We don't have any in California
We have a Democratic Central Committee which several of my friends will run for but we don't have precinct captains. California doesn't have much of a grassroots party. We worked hard to start getting one organized in our county this election.
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Jeff in Cincinnati Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 10:07 PM
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15. I'm puzzled by this...
How do you handle things like GOTV and local voter registration? You mean that there's nobody responsible for individual polling places?
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 11:13 PM
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16. Yep
In my county, we just showed up on election day and volunteered for GOTV. I would call over and over again and not get a return phone call. I complained enough that I ended up coordinating with several others GOTV in my county. We tried to create an organization that has never existed here. It doesn't exist anywhere else I've lived in California. You wonder how we ever win elections.
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 11:19 PM
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17. I have to add this
We spent hours defining what a precinct captain does. Then we had to convince folks to take on the roll. Several of us had worked in other states but none of us knew how to apply it to California.
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Jeff in Cincinnati Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:11 AM
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19. I've written a manual
Some of the information is specific to Ohio, but most of it is practical door-to-door organizing stuff (like how to canvass a neighborhood). Send an e-mail to springfieldtownshipdemocrats@yahoo.com and I'll send it to you as an attachment.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 09:57 AM
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21. Precinct Delegate in Michigan
...and now a member of the county executive committee.
I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK!
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Jeff in Cincinnati Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 08:33 AM
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22. They're going to give it back...
We're going to have to take if from them.

But I can't help but be dismayed at how few DU'ers are taking a leadership role in the Democratic Party. It's easy as hell to complain that the DLC and the DNC are too conservative and kow-towing to corporate interests. But if you want the party to be more progressive, we need to have more progressives running the show.

As somebody much smarter than me once said, "You need to become the change that you want to see in the world."
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 08:37 AM
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23. In my opinion
we haven't been organized as well in the last two elections.
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kurtyboy Donating Member (968 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 09:36 AM
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24. I'm PCO for Pct. 319, Skagit County, WA
We've got a little over a hundred precincts in this county, and elected PCOs in 82 of them! This is a record for participation in our county, and the number exactly DOUBLES the GOP elected PCOs (We lost the county to Bush by about 3%).

I will run either for County Chair or State Committeeman. I've been very active in the party for a while now, but this is the first time I've held the elected position--I had to leave the federal government to do it.

My big concern is that all of the "new blood" the party gets infused with will alienate the old guard. If this happens, you'll see splintering all acroos the spectrum, and we can look forward to another tough year in 2006.

Don't ever forget that this party is useless without unity, and that means you have to embrace ALL of the different viewpoints within. All of them...
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Jeff in Cincinnati Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 01:57 PM
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25. The "Old Guard" has to be flexible...
After the 2002 Election, there was a minor influx of interested people (particuarly 20- and 30-somethings) who wanted to get involved. The "Old Guard" didn't have anything for them to do (and didn't particuarly care to develop any new initiatives), and many of them wandered off until 2004. I'm hoping that they'll be quicker to embrace new-comers this time.
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kurtyboy Donating Member (968 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 07:27 PM
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26. You're absolutely right
I've seen the same situation here.

My comments about unity are aimed at everyone. I've fought this fight for a while now, and we've lost a few old-timers over it, but we have to stick together, with a set of values we can all embrace.

One of this party's problems right now is articulating what exactly the set of values is---Values are hard to embrace if you don't even know what they are...
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Jeff in Cincinnati Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 02:08 PM
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29. Don't confuse ABB with a Platform...
You can't win many elections with unadulterated anger. Democrats need to establish a set of principles for which we stand, and then hammer those issues relentlessly.
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 07:29 PM
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27. Me, me! In Travis County, TX.
The Progressive Populist Caucus wants to reclaim the party, and I would like to see them succeed!
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 08:02 PM
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28. I used to be, in Arizona, but the party is so fucking stupid
I'm sorry for the profanity, but you simply would not believe the shit that the AZ Democratic Party does. Stupid, just plain stupid.

Here, let me give you an example. Just the latest in an unending stream of stupidities.

Yesterday, just yesterday, Thursday, December 16, 2004, the AZ Dem organization sent out an email. The subject line of the email said "Holiday Party This Saturday!" Now, you might think that my anger at them is because they sent the invitation out so late, when it might be difficult for people to make arrangements at the last minute what with other holiday events going on.

Oh, no, not so, eggnog breath. /with a nod to Johnny Carson for all those old enough to remember/

My anger was because upon opening the aforesaid email, I discovered that the party is on MONDAY, DECEMBER 20 ! Not only is it on Monday, rather than the announced SATURDAY, but it is scheduled from 4 to 6 p.m. at the downtown Phoenix office, which makes it virtually impossible for anyone who actually works, who has a job that requires their presence until, say, 5 p.m., and who can't beat their way through rush hour traffic (madness in Phoenix this time of year) to make it to the party office.

Not only is the scheduling of the event in poor judgment, IMHO, but the total screw up of announcing it for Saturday and then scheduling it for Monday is like utterly utterly unforgivable.

And don't tell me I should have patience because people do make mistakes. This is only the latest in a very long string. It extends from the state party office through the Maricopa County operation and right down to the local legislative district level. It encompasses district meetings to which PCs were invited by mail, except that the postcard invitations were mailed on the Saturday before Labor Day for a meeting on the Tuesday after Labor Day. In other words, unless you knew about the meeting ahead of time through the grapevine, you'd have gotten the invite AFTER THE FUCKING MEETING. This is what happened to me. I got the postcard in Wednesday's mail.

You want some more examples?

At another district meeting, on the campus of the local community college, we were to meet in a given room, per the instructions emailed ahead of time. Several of us arrived together and discovered that the room was in a locked building. There was no one around, no signs, no nothing. After wandering around in the dark and cold, we located a security person who said, "Oh, I think the meeting is in that other building over there." Sure enough, it was, with a big sign taped to the door "DEMS MEET HERE." Said sign was invisible in the dark. It was nowhere near the building where we had been told to meet. When I asked the chairperson why he put the sign there and not put one on the place where we were supposed to meet with directions to the correct place, he said, "Oh, why would I do that? This is where we're meeting."

A few months ago, the phone rang. I answered it and said hello. The caller, a male whose voice I did not recognize, asked, "Is Tansy there?" I said, "May I ask who's calling?" The caller replied, "I'm not going to tell you." I responded with, "Either you tell me or I'm hanging up." (Tansy's curiosity got the better of her; if she'd had any brains, she'd have just hung up.) The caller replied, "I'm not going to tell you because I want you to hear what I have to say first." I said, "Good-bye," and then he quickly identified himself as my Democratic Party district chair. This was shortly before the election, and when I told him I was on another call on the other line and he would have to call back in half an hour, he agreed. I have never heard from him since. Never.

The list is endless, and I'm not alone. I get in trouble, and I'm called names, if I so much as mention that someone hasn't done a very good job of anything. Didn't send out notices of meetings? Don't complain. Didn't get the directions correct? Don't complain. They want no boats rocked, not even if calm water means lost elections.

I live in a neighborhood that has seen literally thousands of new voters move in in the past two years with new housing developments. Where has the district or the county party been on registering these new voters? I don't have a fucking clue, because every time I ask them, they ignore me. Sometimes I approach them in person and they literally turn their backs on me and start talking to someone else. Sometimes they tell me they'll call me back; not one of them ever has.

As a precinct committee person, I was given no instructions, no guidance. I was told I could come down to county HQ for "training," but it was only on certain days and I wasn't able to make it. Oh, well, toughski shitski. We can't give you any information over the phone, and you're just out of fucking luck. We the party don't give a rat's ass, because all we really care about is money. Not real votes.

I won't even bore you with the nightmare that was the Kerry/Edwards campaign in central Arizona. It was fucked up in November 2003 when Kerry came here for a Veterans' Day parade and it remained fucked up through November 2, 2004. There were no bright spots. None.

I'm not a kid. I'm 56 years old and I am not stupid. I sat and watched the Democrats and the Kerry campaign collapse because they pulled in a whole lot of enthusiastic but inexperienced young people and ignored the pleas of older, more experienced people to be allowed to help. And I've seen a party that has put all its eggs in the collection basket, relying on money money money money money and more money, and forgetting that it's people who vote, not dollar bills.

Sorry for the rant, but that stupid holiday party invitation set me off and I had to vent. I wish it were an unusual occurrence, but it's not.

I was planning to attend the PDA meeting in Phoenix last week-end but had unexpected out-of-town company drop in on Friday. I'll be in touch with the PDA people again, because I honestly do not see any freakin' hope for the official Dems in Arizona. They are totally and irreparably incompetent.


the DUer who hides behind the moniker

Tansy Gold
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Jeff in Cincinnati Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 11:29 PM
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30. Crap like that drives me crazy...
In 2002 we had an election for governor, and our candidate was criss-crossing the state in a bus tour. We didn't get notification that he was going to be in Cincinnati until literally hours before he was due to show up. There were more members of the out-of-town press than there were Democrats on hand to greet him.

At another event, I swear to God I was the only person who showed up just to see him -- every other Democrat in attendance was either on the dias or a campaign worker accompanying a candidate. Friggin' pathetic.

Do us all a favor and don't give up. Here's a little trick I learned from a training session I attended with Tom Peters: Always assume that you have the absolute authority to do whatever needs to be done. Say it again: Always assume that have the absolute authority to do whatever needs to be done.

Example: New candidates in Hamilton County are woefully underfunded and many times get no financial support whatsoever from the County Party. My Ward Club is going to throw a Kennedy Day Dinner in May to raise money for first-time candidates. Is the county party on board? Sure they are -- after I told them we're going to do it!

Swing for the fences. Every time.
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