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The Sushi Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:36 PM
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NOTICE TO PARENTS Regarding Military Recruitment
NOTICE TO PARENTS
Regarding Military Recruitment

FROM HIGH SCHOOL WEB SITE http://highland.k12.in.us/highland/pages/hshome.html

The No Child Left Behind Act (NCLBA) added provisions to federal laws and statutes stating that schools must allow to military recruiters the same access to information as is allowed to representatives of colleges and universities.

The NCLBA Amendment also requires school administrators to release a student's name, address, and telephone listing to any military recruiter who makes such a request unless the student's parent has stated in writing not to release such information to a military recruiter.

Indiana state law requires the parent to sign the written objection by the end of the student's sophomore year. However, under the amended federal law, the parent may deny the release of such information to any military recruiter at any time while the student is in secondary school. Federal law supercedes state law in this case.

THEREFORE, IF YOU DO NOT WANT YOUR CHILD'S NAME, ADDRESS AND PHONE NUMBER RELEASED TO A MILITARY RECRUITER, YOU MUST MAKE THE REQUEST TO US IN WRITING.

Please turn any requests in to the Guidance Office.



Thank you.

Mr. James Conway

Principal



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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:39 PM
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1. Creepy.
:scared:
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:42 PM
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2. oh, man.
lessee--I can opt out if I make a request in writing.

I'm so sure that won't put me in for any special consideration down the road. nope.

damn. just damn.
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:50 PM
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7. Nothing New
My DAUGHTER was called 3 years ago (BEFORE IRAQ). She had turned 18 as a Senior in HS and as such, I could not sign the Do Not Call List. They called and called and called to the point where she was terrified of the phone ringing. She told me she felt as if she was being stalked. The recruiter told her they weren't meeting their QUOTA (again, BEFORE Iraq). So, I told her just to get NASTY with him. Actually, I even used good ole Teresa's line, "Tell him to SHOVE IT." Worked very well.
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:55 PM
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10. You Going to Gitmo for Being
UNPATRIOTIC! How dare you deny the Rethuglican Chickenhawks from having their fresh meat?
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:43 PM
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3. At what age can someone enlist without parental permission?
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:52 PM
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8. 18
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:56 PM
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12. 18. I think.
Edited on Thu Dec-16-04 06:59 PM by Anakin Skywalker
I might be wrong. But I can just see a Rethug dreaming the following: Hey, when "serving" god and country, Unca Sam should give you the right to override parental consent!
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OneTwentyoNine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:45 PM
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4. How about recruiters coming into schools and giving speeches?
I didn't see the story but my dad did. Said that these military recruiters come into these schools and are allowed to give speech's--I guess at an assembly.

Supposedly if they are not allowed then the school gets "No child left behind" money.

Anyone else see that story??
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:55 PM
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11. my junior grade son tells me that they are there ALL the time
They roam the lunch room all the time he said. I have taught my child to respect authority most of the time but have given him my full support to ignore and annoy them with "disinformation" whenever he is approached by them.

There is also an aptitude test that they give for the military as well. It's the AB something or other (sorry, don't remember the initials). It is for military placement but is NOT alerted to the parents before it is given. You can opt your child out of that as well but you must notify the school to opt them out.

My son took the test the day AFTER I heard about it. I hadn't had a chance to discuss it with him or to give him a letter to opt him out of it. He was smart though. He used a fake name, fake homeroom and made sure that he answered the questions in a very illogical way as to make it totally meaningless.

Call your school and ask them about this test. Find out when it will be done and get that letter to the school to opt them out right away.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 07:14 PM
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18. ASVAB - Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery
Edited on Thu Dec-16-04 07:15 PM by LiberalFighter
The ASVAB Career Exploration Program provides tools developed by the Department of Defense (DoD) to help high school and post-secondary students across the nation learn more about career exploration and planning. Since the mid-1990's, the ASVAB Career Exploration Program has provided high quality, cost-free career exploration and planning materials and services annually to approximately 14,000 of the nation's high schools.

You are tested in four critical areas -- Arithmetic Reasoning, Word Knowledge, Paragraph Comprehension and Mathematics Knowledge (see below) -- these scores count towards your Armed Forces Qualifying Test (AFQT) score. The AFQT score determines whether you're qualified to enlist in the U.S. military. Your scores in the other areas of the ASVAB determine how qualified you are for certain military specialties. Score high, and your chances of getting the specialty/job you want increase. The better score you get, the better chance you have of pursuing the specialty or field that you desire.

The ASVAB is divided into eight individual subtests:

Subtest
Questions / Minutes
Description

General Science
25 / 11
Measures knowledge of physical and biological sciences

Arithmetic Reasoning
30 / 36
Measures ability to solve arithmetic word problems

Word Knowledge
25 / 11
Measures ability to select the correct meaning of words presented in context, and identify synonyms

Paragraph Comprehension
15 / 13
Measures ability to obtain information from written material

Auto and Shop Information
25 / 11
Measures knowledge of automobiles, tools, and shop terminology and practices

Mathematics Knowledge
35 / 11
Measures knowledge of high school mathematics principles

Mechanical Comprehension
25 / 19
Measures knowledge of mechanical and physical principles, and ability to visualize how illustrated objects work

Electronics Information
20 / 9
Tests knowledge of electricity and electronics

Total number of items: 200
Test Time: 134 minutes
Administrative Time: 46 minutes
Total Test Time: 180 minutes
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 07:17 PM
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20. Who will see my ASVAB results?
Both you and your counselor will receive a copy of the results. Before you take the ASVAB, you will be asked to sign a statement authorizing the Department of Defense to score your test and return your results to your school. Each school determines if it will release your scores to the military services. If you are a junior, a senior, or a postsecondary school student, a recruiter may contact you. This can occur whether or not you take the ASVAB.


Now here is where students can play with the test... LOL

Everyone sign the authorization and the test with the name of George W Bush. THEN make sure the test is screwed up.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 07:24 PM
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22. That would be the one -- thanks for the help with the name. n/t
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idiosyncratic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 07:20 PM
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21. I saw the story and the recruiters referred to themselves as counselors
It was sick. I'm sure glad I don't have any kids who might be affected by these "counselors."
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:45 PM
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5. I heard about this on "Unfiltered."
Seriously disturbing, I have a 7 year old.

Eeew.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:49 PM
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6. That is so cool that they posted a notice!
Most schools don't that I am aware of and parents don't find out about it.
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:54 PM
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9. Where I live
In New York they started sending home LETTERS to the parents as of 3 years ago about this. There actually was a lawsuit just before in Manhattan which resulted in that Under 18 Do Not Call List.
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 06:56 PM
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13. Unfortunately
it seems the majority of the country doesn't even know that this is even a part of Bush's Leave No Child Behind Act.
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 07:00 PM
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14. Hah Hah Hah!
They too busy pissing and moaning over liberal "immoralities".
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 07:06 PM
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15. I've been collecting all the brochures
I have a 19 year old in college and a 17 year old junior in High School. We get at least one brochure a week from one of the branches of the service. I took my kids to see Fahrenheit 911 last summer and they talked to me afterward about the military recruitment tactics they saw in the film. I specifically told them that joining the military is an honorable thing to do, that we had a strong history of service on both sides of the family, but that their father and I opposed the Iraq war and wouldn't be happy if they joined. They both laughed and said they would not consider it. I want them to honor the soldier, but oppose the ones in charge.

I save the brochures and carry them with me. Whenever I encounter a Rethug relative and we start arguing about the war, I pull out one of the brochures (I am especially fond of the Marines one with the "send this in, get a free Marine backpack" plug) and give it to them. Go ahead, sign your kid up. All expense paid trip to scenic Iraq. You believe in it, you fight for it.

I did get a call from a recruiter. I told them my son was out with his boyfriend, but I would take a message and have him call back. Didn't hear from them again.
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beyurslf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 07:10 PM
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16. I am a senior in college and they called me. He just kept going
when i was nice and said I wasn't interested. He said he got my number from the school. (This turned out to be untrue. He got it from a listing of college students in the directory and I didn't opt out. The school did not provide it to him, though))
He even asked if I had friends who might be interested when I kept saying I didn't think this was right for me.
So I finally said my friends and I would rather shoot ourselves than die a senseless death in one of GW's illegal wars. He didn't call back.
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beyurslf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 07:10 PM
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17. I am a senior in college and they called me. He just kept going
when i was nice and said I wasn't interested. He said he got my number from the school. (This turned out to be untrue. He got it from a listing of college students in the directory and I didn't opt out. The school did not provide it to him, though))
He even asked if I had friends who might be interested when I kept saying I didn't think this was right for me.
So I finally said my friends and I would rather shoot ourselves than die a senseless death in one of GW's illegal wars. He didn't call back.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 07:14 PM
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19. This is very chilling
Edited on Thu Dec-16-04 07:14 PM by donheld
I have no children but this makes me very concerned for the children of anybody else.
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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 07:54 PM
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24. Good for you!
I trust you will send him to a real shrink first to check out if he is thinking with full deck.

180
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SKKY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 08:35 PM
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26. I almost feel for the recruiters...
...That is quite possibly one of the worst jobs in the US Military. I mean, think about it for a minute. How would you like to have to sell the benefits of the Military right now, and then have your career adversely affected if you don't make your quota for the month? Everyone joins the service for their own reasons, and yes, the recruiters have a well deserved reputation for being, how should we say, "shady" with the facts. That piece in the Michael Moore's film pretty much laid it all out, huh? Do they really have any other choice? Do you think for a minute you could lay out the blunt, cold, hard truth about the Military right now and expect anyone to join?
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 08:36 PM
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27. I am having my 19 year old son get a private pilots license so....
If we have no other way out of the draft he can get in the Air force. At least then he would have a little leverage.
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SKKY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 08:40 PM
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28. They won't care too much...
...They'll take his score on the ASVAB and put him where they most need him. Case in point- I work for a LT who got her BS in Computer Science from the Naval Academy. Know what she's doing right now? Supply Officer.
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 08:45 PM
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29. I guess I better be looking for a place in Canada for him.
With two other boys 17 and 13 I might as well get a house there.
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SKKY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 12:10 PM
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30. Well, your other option would be this...
...if there is a draft, and I have my doubts there will be one but for the sake of this argument let's say there is one, I would encourage them to enlist in the Coast Guard. They'll probably not be sent anywhere near a war-zone, and they'll almost assuredly be stationed somewhere in the continental United States. Of course, if you're against them serving all together, yes, Canada would be your best option.
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 12:22 PM
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31. coast guard served in the Med when my son was in the Navy
in 2002. he said it sucked to be them because their boats aren't really meant for long term (6 month) live aboard conditions. the coasties were pretty stunned to be overseas also.

in addition - friends with military family members report that Navy and AirForce types have been laterally transferred (against their wishes) and shipped out as supply truck drivers in iraq.
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seemunkee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 12:23 PM
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32. My son graduated early
So he was away at school when they started calling. Got one from the Marines the other day and they asked if he got in the school of his choice? Guess they were trying to figure out if he had the smarts or if we had the means to send him.
And he sent in his registration with a big Conscientious Objector written across it and mailed himself a copy of it which I have in safe keeping.

But this reminds me to opt out on my daughter.
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-04 12:27 PM
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33. Is it necessary to do this in elementary school?
Or should we wait until high school?
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