Is it possible that our president is clinically insane? Seriously

[mtnsnake]

I'm not trying to be funny.

Seriously, could this guy actually be borderline crazy, or possibly schizophrenic? I don't mean crazy as in "he's a crazy asshole" (which he is), but crazy, literally, as in having mild to severe mental problems or maybe some schizophrenia.

I realize he's stupid, but this goes way beyond common stupidity. I mean, he is sounding worse than ever, and more and more he looks like he's literally nuts. His expressions, his manner of speaking, and even his overall body language seem to me to indicate that he's in his own little world and has lost all sense of reality.

Is he delusional, due to a physically malfunctioning brain? I'm really thinking he's got some serious mental issues that go way beyond being simply stupid or stressed out. I'm serious when I ask this, but does he belong in a mental ward?

[mairceridwen]

1. YES

Actually I have read many compelling arguments for his having some kind of sociopathic personality disorder. I'll try to post something.

[Mandate My Ass]

7. I believe he has malignant narcissistic personality disorder

although personality disorders do not technically quaqlify as insanity. IMHO, they are much worse than insanity.

[TahitiNut]

23. Exactly. He's a sociopath as well.

He has a deep-seated antipathy for diverse peoples, and employs the god-like superiority of extreme capitalism to keep them '*iggers' in their place. He's wholly incapable of seeing people as other than a means to serve the indolent interests of the ownership elite, synergistic with his interpersonal view that others serve merely to constantly affirm his very existence. He's a soulless puppet - wholly consumed by his own appetites.

[Mandate My Ass]

33. Yeah. What you said!

That's what I was getting at. :hi:

I was formerly married to a person with MNPD, and I was lucky to make it out of that marriage alive and sane. That's why Bush has given me the skin-crawling creeps since the first time I clapped an eye to him. :scared:

[grasswire]

66. Same here

Married 23 years to a NPD-er. From the moment Bush hit the national scene, I said it. The guy is NPD. Additionally, he has unresolved oedipal issues and is a weak and failed man manipulated by people who use his power. The worst of all scenarios.

[mtnsnake]

29. Thanks. That's what I'm wondering and

am glad to get the feedback and clarification because I really wonder about this president as far as his mental faculties.

[puddycat]

11. but sociopathy isn't a mental illness

of course if you are going by the DSM, sociopathy is a mental disorder because EVERYTHING is a mental disorder to the fraudulent business of the psychology. Hell, at one time just the fact that someone was gay made them mentally ill according to earlier DSMs.

[mairceridwen]

17. i'm not going by anything other than what I read

which was compelling and nicely argued

part of the argument tracked personality changes that *might* be due to being medicated.


i have one of those "fraudulent" diagnoses. it saved my life.

[puddycat]

57. Good for you. If it was a success for you, then I'm glad.

But your success doesn't mean the whole thing isn't a sham. Some people need help--no one would deny that--but the paradigm of the current DSM etc. needs a complete overhaul. There is no scientific proof that supports the way people are diagnosed and treated.

[mairceridwen]

58. you should read, "rethinking psychiatry"

by Arthur Kleinman.

I also read lots of interesting things on how the DSM was developed. Very interesting stuff. It exists mainly for insurance companies as far as I am concerned and not really for the well-being of patients.

Arthur Kleinman. Thems some good stuff.

[Razorback_Democrat]

19. Axis II disorders, personality disorders are NOT mental illnesses

Axis I disorders are considered mental illnesses

[UTDemocrat8204]

64. I also remember

watching on CSPAN's site his first press conference after the election and a reporter asked a question and he told a few second joke and the reporters faked laughed and then he said: "what was your question?" It was just a couple seconds!

[jn2375]

2. God! I've believed he's insane from the beginning!

Our dear media are to stupid to see it.

[jmatthan]

3. The rest of the world has known it for a long long time

and it is strange that a few Americans are starting to realise it now.

Can you give me one sensible statement he has made in the last 4 years?

"God told him to invade Iraq?"

Jacob Matthan
Oulu, Finland

[havocmom]

16. Good point. Most people who cause death because 'God' told them to do

something get locked up pronto. Tens of thousands of deaths on that basis should quilify the perputrators of such violence for an extended stay in an institution for the criminally insane. Since he is not locked up and medicated, one might consider that the inmates are possibly running the asylum.

edit: hit wrong button too soon. Anybody have any Zomby Coffee to share with me?

[rkc3]

4. Dave Letterman on Monday mentioned...

The president had his physical this morning. No news on when the mental will be performed.

I thought it was a great line.

As far as his actual mental state, we know it doesn't matter. Reagan's mental capacity had deteriorated quite markedly near the end of his term and no one thought twice about it. In fact he was given quite a bit of leeway because of it. I suspect that if the pressure gets too great on dumbya, they'll use this as an excuse.

[UTDemocrat8204]

65. I thought they

tried to hide it with Reagan?

[Bethany Rockafella]

5. It won't be proven until he's out of office.

The repukes are good at hiding stuff. Remember Reagan?

[puddycat]

6. He's just a sociopath. Your bias against the mentally ill is showing.

I am sick and tired of people attacking the mentally ill and using their own culturally induced bias and prejudice against anyone they don't like. I hate B* just as much as anyone, but he most probably isn't mentally ill--just without a conscience, which is sociopathy, not mental illness per se.

I know people who have severe mental illness--and they are better people than most of the jerks thought of as "normal" in this cut-throat society.. Probably that's why many people become mentally ill--because they have a conscience and they are caring, sensitive people, which is the kiss of death in this culture.

[Mandate My Ass]

10. Well said

It's what I was trying to say above but you articulated much more accurately.

[jmatthan]

69. I do not think I was attacking thew mentally ill

but I am amazed at a country putting a mentally ill individual at the head of their country!!

Do you think that is OK?

Jacob Matthan
Oulu, Finland

[BernieBear]

22. Well Sociopathy is classified in the DSM under personality

disorders. All personality disorders (Narcisism, Borderline, Hystrionic, etc.) are very hard to treat and Sociopathy (AntiSocial Personality Disorder) is one of the hardest because the person actually does not FEEL the same way a "normal" person does. They do not feel anxiety or empathy, they only "act" the way they think they are "supposed" to. But the emotions we think of as "human" are alien to them. If they view a candy bar, a bicycle, a mutilated body and a teddy bear their reaction would be the same for all of the items unlike you (hopefully!!) or I who would "spike" upon seeing the mutilated body (or similar picture). BB

[Razorback_Democrat]

25. Good post! n/t

[puddycat]

54. no such thing as "personality disorder". The DSM is a political document

nothing more, nothing less. How can you believe a document that once considered homosexuality a mental disorder??????? Its pure political propaganda meant to control society.

But if you believe the DSM garbage--cite any independent blind scientific study that proves those labels! Any of them!!!!!

[mtnsnake]

27. I'm not biased at all, so don't even go there.

Sorry if my question offended you. It was sincere. One of my closest great aunts who died around 10 years ago was schizophrenic and was tortured at a young age with shock treatments, so don't even go there with the "bias" thing. I don't appreciate that one bit.

I happen to wonder if Bush has mental deficiencies, that's all.

[JerseygirlCT]

41. Just b/c he's evil AND mentally ill, doesn't make all mentally ill folks

evil. It's a legit question, I think.

[puddycat]

56. sociopathy is not mental illness, & most other DSM labels aren't either

You wouldn't call Mother Theresa mentally ill, would you? Well, Bush is just on the opposite end of the spectrum of human behavior, that's all. I wouldn't say that either are mentally ill--just that one is inherently good and the other basically bad.

[puddycat]

55. nearly everyone in this society is biased against the mentally ill

its ingrained in our culture. Psycho-babble is a huge multi-billion dollar business. Its political bullshit, and its ruined more lives than helped them. Are there really people that need help? Of course, but the current paradigm for helping is fraudulent nonsense.

[AllegroRondo]

8. I think he just suffers from Christian Fundamentalism

unfortunately, thats rather common in the US and not viewed as a mental disorder by many.

The man claims that god 'talks to him', and he is 'doing gods work' in invading another country. If he were anything other than a christian, he would have been sent to a psych ward.

[htuttle]

14. You're right

Change 'god' to 'dog' in his statements:
"The man claims that his dog 'talks to him', and he is 'doing his dog's work'"...
...and you have a nearly verbatim version of what the Son of Sam used to say.

[Mandate My Ass]

18. Maybe he's an "insomniac agnostic dyslexic"

someone who lays awake all night wondering if there really is a dog.

[rman]

39. that's just pretence

in order to get support from the reli-fundi part of the population.
Hitler did the same thing.

Shouldn't come as a surprise that these people lie about such things; it's what sociopaths do.

[SammyWinstonJack]

46. Exactly!

It was part of Rove's plan to get * elected Gov and then pRes.

[UTDemocrat8204]

67. Have you ever

seen the movie "When God Entered the White House"? It was on Sundance Channel around the election and it's really quite scary. It talks about the evangeliacals (the really out there ones) who have tried to get a full House of people like them and on their agenda. They tried with Carter, Reagan, Nixon and Bush sr. They failed with all of them except Bush jr. The movie showed Pat Buchanan running and how he lost cause he was such an amature on politics and stuff. From the movie it showed how they have their agenda to control the country and they don't care about civil rights or anything else except their work. Looks like they are succeeding with Bush. It also shows how Bush became born-again and then Rove used that to get votes. I do think Bush in the beginning had his religion to help him with his life but Rove ruined it with mixing politics together and saw how he got the evangelical votes and how successful it was.

[Not_Giving_Up]

9. Absolutely!

We know that he has a history of substance abuse issues...Many people go this direction to self medicate for serious issues.

Is the media too stupid to see it? I don't think so.

Are they fed lines of crap to report? Absolutely!

We already know that the media is being quite controlled these days, and that those who buck the system disappear, or suddenly become so depressed that they just can't bear to go on living.

[Razorback_Democrat]

15. Actually I think they realize that if the story broke it would be a crisis

state for our country

but for God's sake, which is more catastrophic, a crazy little emperor named George, or having sanity back in the white house.

I don't know the MSM's reasons for not pursuing the story as it has been around for months now

[Razorback_Democrat]

12. Yes, there is a book about it written by a psychiatrist "Bush on the Couch

or something like that.

I'm a mental health professional myself and while I try not to diagnose people without doing a thorough assessment, I'll have a little fun with *.

Axis I: 296.42 Bipolar I disorder,most recent episode manic, moderate
Axis II: 301.7 Antisocial personality disorder with paranoid features
Axis III: Post stroke facial paralysis and drooling
Axis IV: Lack of meaningful social support system, instead has enablers present
Axis V: 52

There's my stab at it.

I also think he may be medicated for this, or something like this with mood stabilizers and an antidepressant based on his incessant drinking of water during the debates, and things I've read at Capitolhillblue.com in the "Bush Leagues" section.

[BernieBear]

13. His father's brother was schizophrenic

it was politely never mentioned and he died when GH was either at CIA or in office. His brother was also an alcoholic. GW is a "dry drunk" (supposedly doesn't drink alcohol but hasn't gone through "recovery"), he is supposedly sociopathic and a meglomaniac according to several psychiatrists. He may also have brain damage due to drinking.

Other than that he's just fine......

:cry: :cry:

[zann725]

63. That's a pretty good clinical summary of someone who should NOT be Pres.

n/t

[peacetalksforall]

20. There are varieties of stupid...

.he is street smart
.he is smart in the game of betrayal and revenge.
.he is smart in deal making - of the sinister kind.

.he is intelluctually ignorant in history, sociology, cultures, and probably the influence of religion, language, and art in history.
.he is spiritually ignorant about people.
.he is delusionally ignorant or brilliant about what he and his string pulling cabal and pnac are doing to us and the people of the world.

But, it is never all about him - if we put all our attention on him, we are letting the real culprits get away with murder, theft, and ruin from drugs, weapons, takeovers, corporate rip-offs, theft of freedom, choice, and will.

Do you think he thought up Tenet? Can you really know if Tenet is a a good cop or not? Did he create Tenet? No way...

It really doesn't matter if he is sick, smart, or ignorant - because they have a deal with him to stand up front and his part of the deal is to get his way with his loyalty=revenge hang-up. His own people don't expect leadership - they do expect appearances and utterances that keep up the pretense. Over time - he gets some of it - they're job is to control the physical being and the lack of culture and his wise-a** mouth and heart. If it were anyone else not being directed by evil intentioned domestic and foreign authorities, I would have sympathy for him.

[Ganja Ninja]

21. Him and half of America ...

seem to have a serious problem dealing with reality. Day after day events in the world are diverging farther and farther from their views. They should be embarrassed but instead they cling even harder to their skewed version of the truth. It's a sickness of some kind but I don't know how you would classify it.

[Razorback_Democrat]

24. I think his grandiosity and his lack of conscience combined with lack of

intellect make him dangerous, and a perfect puppet for the right.

His name is all that he has. If he were George Wump he would be a panhandler on the streets, or a struggling Televangelist

[mtnsnake]

38. I think your post could be one of the most accurate portrayals

of him I've heard of him in so few words. Well said!

[UTDemocrat8204]

68. Exactly

History has shown that it's all about his name. From his education to his military (or lack thereof I should say) to his politicial gain from Texas gov to President.

[glarius]

26. He has a look in his eyes when he is REALLY excited about something

that scares the hell out of me....His eyes become really BLACK and have a sort of burning quality to them....At those times he does look MAD AS A HATTER!

[mtnsnake]

34. There seem to be more and more of those times lately

and I guess that's part of what makes me wonder. It's a look that comes over him that scares the crap out of me. I mean, this guy is leading the most powerful country in the world, and I just hope he's not as mentally unstable as I think he might be.

[Name removed]

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[mtnsnake]

36. Thanks. Another poster earlier seems to agree about narcissistic

personality disorder.

[dewaldd]

30. Capitol Hill Blue reported he was on powerful psych drugs a few months ago

of course, I can't find the article anymore...purged?

[mtnsnake]

48. I think this could be the link to the article you were talking about:

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_4921.shtml

[seemslikeadream]

52. Bush's Erratic Behavior Worries White House Aides

JohnOneillsMemory

142. Psych profile+fascism receptivity+Lakoff's family framing concept links.


This is entirely predictable. Bush* suffers from severe mental illness as has been well documented. We're experiencing Columbine High School on a global level.

Georgie was abused by his mother, shadowed by his father, shamed for mourning his sister's death and belittled in general. He became a self-destructive alcoholic with a cruel streak.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1033904,00.html

(So George, How Do You Feel About Your Mom and Dad?)

His 'authoritarian personality' matches what researchers discovered to be a marker for 'fascism receptivity' when the phenomenon was researched after WWII.
http://www.anesi.com/fscale.htm
(The F-factor questionnaire)

More recently, researchers have analyzed the components of the conservative personality. Their findings point to the fear-based tendencies that are similar in fundamentalist religious views and fascism receptivity, again the 'authoritarian personality.'
http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/07/22_politics.shtml
(What Makes Up a Conservative Personality)

This family experience modeling sets us up for how we view all our relationships at work and in government, too. Linguist George Lakoff explains how this 'framing' is used in political language and propaganda.
http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/10/27_lakoff.shtml
(Lakoff Explains Framing as Key to Thinking)

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=12&ItemID=4294
(Lakoff Explains Gender Language in Promoting War)



Bush's Erratic Behavior Worries White House Aides
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=602189

[okieinpain]

31. uh. where have you been the last 4 years.

[spinbaby]

32. A picture is worth a thousand words...

[KyndCulture]

35. egads that second picture scared me...

"I could lick you like a lolipop" grin for sure...


ewwww

[marylanddem]

37. Evil Self-righteous a-hole

With so much blood on his hands. Smug, arrogant, smart-ass little rich boy propped up by greedy billionaires. I have compassion for the mentally ill (depressives, schizophrenics) but not for psychopathic sociopathic warmongering scumbags.
And the sickening thing to me is that we are paying for all this death and destruction with our hard-earned tax dollars. We're enabling this insanity. We need major anti-war/anti-Bush actions

[sweetheart]

40. No, he's just evil

Excusing it with insanity is too polite.

I don't use the word much, as in buddhist thinking, evil is inside
all of us, all part of an indescribable unity. That said,
this man is evil. He starts wars, undermines the rule of law,
kills people and should be in prison or swinging from the gallows.

He is not excused on mental illness defenses.

[brava]

73. He's sick

But not just in the mind. His illness is in the soul.

[Dees]

42. I don't see a vast difference between being

mentally out of balance and being an extreme right wing Repug. The absolute obcession with personal wealth and well offness manifests itself in an "all for me" mental disposition without any regard to fellow inhabitants on this planet. The man is just nuts.

[TWiley]

43. YES

I think he is bi-polar and spends more time on the Manic side.

[PATRICK]

44. Some more unfunny irony

Remember the posts about angry, protesting soldiers being taken to Germany for "mental care"? You may joke about this, but when it comes to putting an idea in practice it is the nuts and dolts who will be locking you up for being crazy enough to speak out for the truth.

Sakharov was not crazy, but he's the one who did time in a mental health hospital.

[ernstbass]

45. Dry drunk

[leftofthedial]

47. it's not only possible

it's a known fact

[atommom]

49. I've read many compelling arguments for that. Here's one site I

happen to have handy:

http://www.unknownnews.net/insanity.html

[mtnsnake]

50. Wow, that is a great site!

There is so much info in there on exactly this subject. I only glanced at a few of the excerpts in it for the time being, but will bookmark this one for sure. Interesting stuff. Thanks!

[parkenyc]

51. I think so.

Seriously.

[troubleinwinter]

53. I do not think he's "insane". I am adamantly convinced he's is a sciopath

As was Ted Bundy.

[Geek_Girl]

59. After Reading This

I tend to think he is mentally ill. I kind of suspected but now I really think so.


During Bush's tour of Clinton's presedential library:

he stopped to gaze at the river, where Secret Service agents were stationed in boats, the guide said, "Usually, you might see some bass fishermen out there." Bush replied: "A submarine could take this place out."

:crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy:

Full Story

[Solly Mack]

60. No. He's responsible for his actions.

He's corrupt to the core and he's a shell of a human but he's not insane.

[karlrschneider]

61. The proper clinical diagnosis is

'crazy as a shithouse rat'

Yes, I know that's not a real evaluation, but I really believe it's
accurate. What I mean is, I actally truly do think W. has mental problems. And it scares the shit outta me.

[SillyGoose]

62. Sane or insane...Fuck Him n/t

[Porcupine]

70. Not really....but he talks like....he is.....on t.v.

Seriously, his bizarre speech patterns give me the willies so bad that I can't even listen to NPR anymore. To think that THE PRESIDENT cannot complete a sentance that my eight year old could read is scary.

How is it possible that nobody in the mainstream media comments on this? The guy finds it impossible to string a sentance together containing more than five syllables. It reminds me of an old printer I had on a computer once when the memory buffer would overload.

[brava]

71. GW's madness, from a Jungian perspective

I found this analysis really compelling because I have long believed that Bush is just the boil on a deseased body politic. He's the symptom, or outward manifestation, of a collective psychosis deeply hidden and embedded in our society. It's like the whole country is drinking from the same poisoned well.

The Madness of George W. Bush
A Reflection of our Collective Psychosis

http://www.alternativesmagazine.com/31/levy.html

Here is an excerpt:

People who don’t recognize George Bush’s illness and thus support him are colluding with and enabling in the co-creation of the pathological field that is birthing itself through him into the human family. People who vote for Bush are somehow blind to what is very obvious to others. It’s as if they’ve become hypnotized and fallen under the spell that he is casting. People who support Bush become unwitting agents through which this non-local disease feeds and replicates itself. By supporting him they are collaborating with and becoming parts of the greater, interconnected and self-organizing field of the disease.

The situation with Bush is analogous to when seemingly good, normal, loving Germans supported Hitler, believing he was a good leader trying to help them. The German people didn’t realize that the virulent psychological pathogen malignant egophrenia had taken possession of Hitler and was incarnating itself through him. By not seeing this and supporting Hitler, they became unwitting agents of the disease, assisting its ability to self-propagate. This was a collective psychosis, and this is what is taking place in our country right now. Whereas Hitler’s evil was more overt in its cruelty and sadism, Bush’s dark side is much more hidden and disguised, which makes it particularly dangerous.

Read the whole thing. It's really good.

[fleabert]

72. there was a video floating around here before the election

of Shrub during the governor's race in TX against Ann Richards, he was concise, on topic, well spoken, and appeared normal. Wrong, but normal. He even quoted numbers like it was no big deal. It was a side by side comparison with this years debate performances...

I'll look for it tomorrow, gotta get some rest!

I even remember a email I got suggesting he had a form of alcohol related brain damage that is degenerative.

something is definitely wrong with him. Insane, no. I think he is fully aware of the shit he does and says.