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Senator Lamb Donating Member (492 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 12:04 AM
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im pissed/ wesely clark
Im watching all of Clarks interviews and he is great, amazing, articulate, and smart. this man should have been our president. im also drunk . goodnight.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 12:07 AM
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1. Nitey-nite, senator.
From a Clarkie sipping some frangelico in her decaf.

I think Clark could have taken him. Especially if he had worn his Speedo on the campaign trail.
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Senator Lamb Donating Member (492 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 12:16 AM
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2. i was a GOPer at the time
but this guy if was a Democrat would have been my mind. he makes so much damn sense. how did he lose?
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 12:21 AM
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3. He got to a late start with late funding.
Alot of people like him, like his success, his resume, and the fact that he can think on his feet. And he isn't effing afraid of anything that I know of. I like his wife, Girt, also. She's a tough, lovely, smart woman, which means the RNC would have pounded her.
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susanna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 12:36 AM
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8. I don't think it was his late start or late funding.
My personal observation was that the MSM (media) shut him out like I've never seen before for any candidate on the primary trail in a contentious season. For goodness' sakes, they gave EVERYONE more coverage. I never saw the man on TV. I don't think they wanted his message out. Gee, wonder why...

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pocoloco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 12:57 AM
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11. He was on TV...
and he kicked ass each time!
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susanna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 01:04 AM
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14. Well, you're right - he was on TV.
That said, he was not regularly on mainstream, optimum hours TV, or even the nightly newscasts. He would be on at 6am, 11pm or 1am; the main prime time hours, he was shut out - at least in my state (Michigan). It was INFURIATING and regular enough that I learned to blow it off. That's what I am getting at.
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 01:05 AM
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15. MSM scum
susanna said "My personal observation was that the MSM (media) shut him out ..."

Yeah! It was an eye-opener. Because I was so enthusiastically supporting him, I had read up on his positions and watched interviews and CSPAN stump speeches. That Clark was not the same person as the one that was portrayed in the MSM. Their attitude was dismissive, contemptuous, and arrogant. I was livid! It was my first exposure to those crooked bastards, and I'll never forgive them for how they treated such an incredible candidate.

When Wes Jr lashed out at the press during the campaign, a lot of Clarkies were cheering him on. We all felt his frustration and anger.
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 01:20 AM
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20. I think he would've made the perfect Sec. of State,or Mili. Chief of Staff
for the Kerry Admin. I don't see him as President though.
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sundancekid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 12:24 AM
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4. U WES A forever as far as I'm concerned ...truth to power is his whole gig
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Senator Lamb Donating Member (492 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 12:27 AM
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5. Clark/Warner
come on now. also apologizes to any typos, im drunk
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Lenape85 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 12:30 AM
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6. I agree, though I'm more in the Dean/Feingold/Obama camp
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Senator Lamb Donating Member (492 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 12:35 AM
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7. yo
i just watched one of his interviews with sean hannity before the election. sean was being a loud mouth pussy who never lets anyone speak and Wes said 'while george bush was a cheerleader john kerry was playing hockey" hahahhah and sean was saying whats wrong with men as cheerleaders, oh my god, that is hilarious. this guy is amazing.
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susanna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 12:37 AM
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9. Well, Sean was being honest.
Sean IS a cheerleader. Isn't he?
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Senator Lamb Donating Member (492 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 12:48 AM
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10. hahahhaa
so true. i use to listen to sean hannith religously, i even have hisbook signed. but just examining the facts , the truths i went back to my democratic roots, so guys, there is hope, and i feel poeple like wes clark make it easier to make the transition.
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susanna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 12:59 AM
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13. I'm glad to hear you say that.
Wes is a fine human being and extremely genuine. I'm a pretty shrewd judge of character, or so I'm told, and my experience tends to bear that out.

Clark has always been A1 in my book. Doesn't lie, doesn't hide from questions, and pulls no punches. I like him a lot.
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 01:08 AM
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17. General Smackdown
Remember that Fox interview where the General squashed a anchor/jackass who questioned his loyalty to the troops? Someone nick-named him General Smackdown. It was hilarious!
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Senator Lamb Donating Member (492 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 01:28 AM
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21. I saw that
it was David Asman, amazing.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 01:09 AM
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18. Wow you were on the dark side for a while?
Welcome back then!
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Senator Lamb Donating Member (492 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 01:30 AM
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22. not really
I was a moderate/liberal Republican. after getting into debates with conservaties, i realized who i was. i see things in pragmatic ways, and the Democratic Party was the best in my ideology, so i switched.
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 12:57 AM
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12. agree
Wes Clark should have been our president. And I'm not drunk. Goodnite to you too.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 01:06 AM
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16. Clark is great
Edited on Sat Dec-18-04 01:07 AM by fujiyama
My dad was at some convention where they had that company Clark was chairman of (or atleast I think it was chairman). The company makes all sorts of cool futuristic bikes and stuff.

He showed me the NYT article, knowing I'd be interested.

I hope he runs again. He hasn't ruled it out. I think he'd have a chance.
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 01:18 AM
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19. Clark/Dean or Dean/Clark would decimate all
so Rove stopped it early on. KKKarl wanted to face John Kerry and John Edwards.

establishment vs. establishment

the funny thing about Clark is that he sort of is an establishment insider and sort of isn't at the same time. like Al Gore
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Senator Lamb Donating Member (492 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-04 01:33 AM
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23. clark was...
an outsider, mitiliary experience, from a battleground state, southern, couldnt be accused of lack of patriotism, humble roots, yet a scholar. he was the dream candidate. though only thing i can think of negative was the allusion to General McCellen against Lincoln in 1864, i think. clark wouldhave appealed to all. as a former rockerfeller like republican i would know, he always appealed to me. im still very much drunk right now, im in my dorm room indulging on the liquor buti mean everything i say.
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