Right Wingers are calling tbe baby cut from the womb in Missouri

[Erika]

as eight months old. Uh, have they talked to the IRS?

[VegasWolf]

1. Now that the baby is born they can forget about the baby. n/t

[Union Thug]

23. You nailed it...

As Randi says, love the fetus, hate the children. That's the Republican creed.

[puddycat]

2. most of those freepers are sick, twisted individuals

they don't mind bombing and blasting the faces off of little Iraqi school children, but they will defend the life of embryos and fetuses with passion. What depraved hypocrites they are. A sicker bunch of people are not to be found.

[qanda]

3. Can you explain your post to me?

Either I'm dense or just tired, but I don't understand.

[barb162]

4. it was an 8 mo.old fetus which equates to fundies as an 8 mo. old

fully developed baby.

[Erika]

5. What are you looking for?

The baby who was cut out of her mother's womb at eight months was considered as an eight month old by right wingers.

[arcos]

28. don't worry, I didn't either...

had to read it 3 times, but after that I realized there was nothing wrong with the original message, I just simply didn't get it at first :P

[genieroze]

6. Retards. eom

[Pirate Smile]

7. So are they going to subtract nine months from their Birthdays and

start calling that their Conception day or something?

Here is your cake and ice cream.:party:

[barb162]

8. I hadn't heard this logic before. They really take this fetus=baby

thing 100% seriously. Maybe some day soon we will all be adding 9 months automatically to our age since we will be counting our "life" from conception versus birth

[Kindigger]

9. I'm not real good at math

How do you cipher that if you're born on a leap year? :think:

[barb162]

19. LOL, just look at it as trying to figure out your day of conception

( ask mom) and it will all work out. If you turned 20 today, you are really 20 years and 9 months old. Unless you were a preemie of course, then you are 20 years and something less than 9 mos. Gee I think conception dates are going to start to get very important. Birth certificates will cease to exist and they will be called conception certs. This is going to be a real riot.

[VegasWolf]

20. Would that beHappy, Happy Screw day! n/t

[barb162]

21. Yes, that is what it would be, but they will call it " happy conception

day" or clean it up in some fashion to where it is suitable for their taste. The birth won't be called the birthday but maybe the coming out day.

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[NYC]

32. Or a debutante?

Debutantes "come out" around age 21.

[Erika]

22. But what happens in the case of a natural miscarriage?

Which is forward looking. Do we judge the mother on her health habits and determine if she has committed a crime? Did she smoke, drink, etc. Was she able to eat decently and receive proper natal care? Did the father provide?

[yardwork]

24. This has actually been proposed by right-wingers

There have been proposed laws that would find a mother guilty of child abuse or even murder if they had a miscarriage and it could be proven that she did something wrong - like drank, took drugs, didn't eat enough fruits and vegetables, didn't pray often enough, didn't pray to the right God, didn't etc....

Of course, if the pregnant woman doesn't have health insurance and has no access to prenatal care then that is perfectly fine with the Republicans.

If the pregnant woman develops diabetes or hypertension as a result of not having prenatal care and ends up in the hospital with her life in danger, the only thing the Republicans care about is protecting the fetus, even if the mother has to die. Under no circumstances is the mother allowed to abort the baby, even if she will otherwise die.

Such are the "family values" of our ruling political party.

[barb162]

25. I guess then they would say the fetus (baby) died and I have

already seen, as we all have, over the last few years, how coke-addicted mothers get in trouble with the law for harming the "baby"

To me the almighty "they" would have to definitely do laws protecting the fetus/baby from actions by the mother potentially harmful to the baby, like smoking, overeating, drinking, using other drugs, etc. If fetus= baby they will have to do these laws monitoring the mother. It will be a real can of worms because how many women know they conceived until they miss their period. A woman better not drink alcohol until she gets her period as she may be pregnant and harming the "baby."

[yardwork]

27. What about environmental pollution causing birth defects and miscarriages?

Does that mean that the companies that pollute are liable for the murders of fetuses?

Whoops! Not according to Republican logic! Only poor women are liable. The corporations get a pass even when they knowingly break environmental laws.

[barb162]

30. if a woman knows she is pregnant, she may have to move from the

pollutants too. All pregnant women will have to move away from LA, Chicago, NY, etc. because of too much ozone and other pollutants It just goes on and on.

If the fundies try to carry this "scheme" out, there will be a lot of pregnant mothers in jail for harming the fundie concept of fetus=baby.

[pacifictiger]

29. Oh good, now we can get rid

of the 'jesus birthday' christmas thingy.

[Kingshakabobo]

41. When it comes time to collect my social security I will

remember this. I'll be able to collect @ 94 and 3 mos. instead of 95.

[VegasWolf]

10. So i gues the little booties for six month old infants are no good anymore

[hickman1937]

43. Sure they are

You just have talk the mother into the surgery.

[Oilwellian]

11. I don't think this is LBN material n/t

[Nordic]

12. technically, you could say it was (negative)one month old

:shrug:

[bobbieinok]

13. in China, aren't children considered to be 1 year old when they're born??

[w4rma]

16. I dunno, but this isn't China. (nt)

[Royal Observer]

51. Maybe

they are Chinese fundies. That would explain it. ;)

[NYC]

33. I think the concept is

that you are living in your first year.

We don't call it "zero", but we state the age in months.

[proud2BlibKansan]

52. that is common

in some Asian countries.

[Erika]

14. You think the IRS will buy it for deductions?

Or how about it for voting age or the age for SS purposes?

[Egalitariat]

53. For tax deductions, the answer is yes....

whether it was 8 months old or 8 hours old when it was "born" on December 16, it still would have been born in 2004, hence a tax deduction for the 2004 tax year.

[VegasWolf]

15. Nine months is an average, it's X days old where X is the number

of days ago it was cut from its mothers womb and
started breathing atmosphere. These fundies are
so incredibly stupid.

[Erika]

17. With the right wing fanatics in power who knows.

But I doubt if the IRS will allow a tax deduction on a child in the womb. Right wingers must occasionally look at reality. It's not something they do with comfort.

[yellowdogintexas]

18. IRS will allow the baby on the father's taxes, it was born prior to

12/31. That's the rule.

[masjenkins]

31. i had a conversation with a 17 year old bushite tonight and was shocked...

I was basically saying that this was one of the creepiest stories I had heard of late ( although...according to other sources i have heard on the "news".. it's not so unusual for this to happen. Seems there is a big fetus stealing thing thats sweeping the nation ..murdering the mom in the process.. no big deal, apparently....SERIOUS) ANYHOO.. he was comparing it to abortion and couldn't understand why liberals were so upset about this incident. Then suggested that I watch that movie "Silent Scream" and see how executions happen. (abortions) This kid is 17!!! What is wrong with this picture???? I am moving to Venus, first chance I get.

[fleabert]

34. any links or references for the 'not so unusual for this to happen' part?

thanks.

[masjenkins]

40. just heard a blurb on the news when this was first reported

Something to the effect of "apparently this isn't so uncommon"... thats all I heard.

[barb162]

45. this happened about 2 yrs. ago in the Chicago area and it was

big news. They caught the people that did it.

[SemperEadem]

48. your link

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20041219/ap_on_re_us/pregnant_woman_slain




Killings of pregnant women are more common than many people realize, The Washington Post reported in Sunday's editions after a yearlong examination of death records.

Using state data and other sources, the newspaper documents the killings of 1,367 pregnant women and new mothers since 1990. It said there were undoubtedly more deaths, and that 13 states said they had no way of knowing how many such deaths occurred.

The Post said several statewide studies have found pregnant women more likely to die of homicide than of any natural cause, and that the deaths cut across racial and ethnic groups.

[Undercover Owl]

35. never mind a dumb 17 yr old....

Just let the 17 yr old see your wilted-yet-amused facial expression, and go about your business. At that age, you can't take them seriously.

Yes, this definitely IS worse and more depraved than any legitimate abortion I've ever heard of!

[hickman1937]

44. 1 more month and he'd have hated it.

Someone needs to make a movie called Not So Silent Scream. Pictures of raped and murdered impoverished children. The ones repuke antiabortionists left behind.

[Undercover Owl]

36. It's still fucking SICK, no matter what!

There is no minimizing the depravity of this, people. The woman didn't want to lose her baby. This is fucked up.

[sans qualia]

37. What will it be like for that girl to know the circumstances of her

um, "birth?" I can't even imagine. That poor child. :cry:

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[Nikia]

49. Well, it is better that they found her now

It would be worse to be an older child and find out that the people who you thought were your parents, really weren't. You weren't adopted either. They killed your mother and abducted you.
I think I remember hearing about a story or two where a child was abducted as a baby and raised by the abductors as their own. They later found out and were devestated.

[no_hypocrisy]

38. So, what is the correct date for the birthday of this unfortunate child?

[ComerPerro]

42. I'd say, probably, Dec 16 or 17

I am suprised the baby survived.

[greenbriar]

46. My nephew and his wife knew the couple...they are

devastated

[in_cog_ni_to]

47. Ah! So now we have tax deductions at conception?

How cool is that? Think of the money that people will save! :eyes: Fucking idiots.

[Swamp Rat]

50. Was it a boy?

Bush is looking for young recruits for the military.