Serious Confession of very misanthropic thoughts.

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

I can't sleep. I must confess.

My favorite novel is Stephen King's The Stand. For the unfamiliar, the premise of that novel is that our government accidentally lets the plague loose (and, in my opinion, anyone who doesn't believe our government has the plague in a lab somewhere is terribly naive). Within a month, 99.6% of humanity is dead.

The survivors, who are immune for some inexplicable reason, (why is anyone immune to anything they haven't been vaccinated for?) must attempt to carry on in a dead world without starting up the same old shit that got humanity to that point.

(That was a two-paragraph summary of an 1150 page book - read it for yourself.)

ANYWAY.....I love the book partly because it's fabulous but mostly because I am rooting for its premise: our destruction.

Human beings have fucked up this planet so completely, totally, fully, and thoroughly that the best thing Mother Nature or Providence or God or Who or What Ever could do is wipe out almost all of us and start again.

Yes, I understand that if (or, in my opinion, when) such a thing occurs, the odds are excellent that I won't be immune, and I will die; or if I am immune, everyone I love will be gone.

I root for it anyway.

Look at the state of this planet today. Do we deserve to continue living on it? And is there any hope at all that we could ever begin to undo the damage?

I say no. I say we deserve to be wiped out, and may the handful of survivors have luck when they try again.

[oldhat]

1. More people secretly agree with you than you think.

Although I'm not supposed to say it.

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

2. It's not an acceptable thing to root for, is it?

Perhaps, if I ever get some sleep, I'll take this thread back and put my dirty little secret back into the back of my mind.

No, I won't.

Come and get us, Captain Trips.

[oldhat]

6. I don't like people very much.

I think the world would be better if the animals had it back. We've done enough harm to the Earth.

An old biology teacher told us that if humans were to suddenly disappear, it would take about 10 years for the Earth to go back to environmental stasis again. Global warming would be reversed and the carbon dioxide levels would go back to normal. Fish populations would soar in the seas and the lakes and the forests would grow back. Bears would reclaim what is theirs and dogs would go back to being wild.

And there wouldn't be any arrogant humans around to screw everything up by bombing, starving and committing genocide against each other, just animals and birds and fish.

Sounds like Eden to me.

And I'm entirely serious about this. A human-less Earth is the ideal State in my mind.

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

8. I agree.

It's going to be ironic when our government, the epitome of bombing, starving, genociding, polluting, etc., is the cause of our destruction -- since they do all that shit in the name of "preserving our way of life."

I know the day is coming when the plague will get loose from its lab on a base somewhere. I hope I live to see it, so I can die with a smile on my face, knowing that justice is being carried out all over the planet, at last.

[shadowknows69]

25. well see the plan was....

for our species to evolve to a point (like pretty much all of the planet's other species)where we live in harmony, not harm, with our earth.

[RoyGBiv]

3. Good luck with that ...

George Carlin has a similar theme in one of his acts. I don't find it particularly humorous or wise.

You've sorta got yourself in a vicious circle here. If we deserved to be wiped out, and if you're "rooting" for that, what's the point of even caring about it or anything else?

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

4. I don't know. I certainly don't separate myself - my belief in justice

asserts that I am just as death-worthy as the rest of my species.

[RoyGBiv]

10. Well, okay ...

But my question wasn't really about that, and I wasn't thinking you were separating yourself from it. I just wonder why anyone who roots for the end of humanity even bothers to get up in the morning. I mean no offense. I'm genuinely curious. If no hope is a goal, then why hope at all or even pretend to?

You're not alone in this sort of thinking. I simply wonder how genuine it is, whether those who espouse it have been thoroughly honest with themselves. The human survival instinct is intense, which is actually part of the planetary problem, as ironic as that is. To truly believe that the planet should enact her own survival technique and shed herself of the human virus, to the point of hoping for that outcome, seems to me to be the ultimate expression of self-fulfilling defeatism.

What I mean is that if you're serious, then you should do all you can to speed the process, and that goes against pretty much everything that the people who post here claim to believe. Support pollution in all its forms. Support war. Encourage anything and everything that will poison the planet and/or result in the mass slaughter of humanity. I doubt you do that, nor do I think you should, but that's where this sort of thinking leads.

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

11. Well.....

I don't agree that there has to be a connection. You can accept that someone you love is going to die of cancer and want them to die (even for compassionate motives like relief of their pain) without getting out a gun and shooting them, or refusing to drive them to their chemo treatments, right?

We are doomed to the point where we deserve destruction, and furthermore, it's inevitable.

I accept and embrace that.

But if I believed that I had the power to help it come, I wouldn't hold my belief that we deserve destruction and are doomed. If I had the power to help bring it on, then millions of people working against it could stop it.

I can't.

They can't.

It's as inevitable as tomorrow's sunrise.

I know I am sounding contradictory; I don't think I really am, even if I'm too tired to express it properly tonight.

[Old Mouse]

5. to quote Carlin

The planet's fine.

The PEOPLE are fucked.

[PittLib]

7. I feel the same, everytime I see the regression ...

of our society - people who are petty, crude, devoid of manners and self-absorbed. Then I meet a wonderful warm, sincere and civilized individual ... and they erase the ten neanderthals before, as well as my hope for our come-uppance. They can be difficult to find, and sometimes far and few in between - but they are there. That's why I love this site! :)

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

9. There aren't enough of the good people.

Really -- think about it. Suppose every leader of every government on this planet were replaced with a good person. They couldn't do jack shit. The people they were "leading" are so bent on war, pollution, destruction, nationalism, and all the other shit -- they'd just get overthrown, and fast.

We're far beyond the point of no return.

Come, Captain Trips. Come on. We need you.

[TreasonousBastard]

12. Well, yeah...

I've had those dark thoughts myself.

Face it, how much of the population is actually productive, by any definition? Who leaves the planet better off, or reaches the higher planes that we are capable of?

Billions of people have to be fed, housed... Work has to be found for all these people just so they can keep on living. Resources used, land taken over for housing and farming...

And to what point? What is it about us that we "deserve" to drive every other species to extinction? Is it simply because we can?

Six billion humans eating, shitting, building, breeding... And trying to kill off ourselves as much as we kill off the bears who get in our way or the fish we feed off of.

A plague may indeed wipe us out, but until then, we are the plague. Rmember that after the Biblical story of Noah, the new world after the flood world didn't end up all that much better than the old one.

Dark thoughts, indeed.

Go back to sleep. All each of us can do is try to live life leaving as few footsteps on the earth as we can, and we are not responsible for the others.

[Ladyhawk]

13. I have to admit I feel misanthropic much of the time.

I wonder if another sentient species would evolve that isn't quite so destructive. Maybe they could bring us back (clone us) and teach us how to live in harmony. But I doubt it. If we nuke the planet, the earth will be inherited by the cockroaches.

This anti-people thing I've been feeling...it really is counter-productive, but I can't help feeling that way. And I don't exempt myself from the feeling that maybe the best thing would be for something to wipe out mankind. I've thought the same thing and for the same reasons, The Stand interests me. I find it fascinating that the first thing the "decent" survivors have to do is combat the evil nature of humanity.

If we could start over somehow, would it be any different? Or do we have to work with the mess we have now?

I just severed ties with my family and after a year of serious disappointments, I'm wondering if anyone can be trusted. I'm afraid of these feelings because all humans desire companionship, but I'm so sick of assholes. Sigh.

OK, I'll STFU now.

[GoBlue]

14. Have faith, the universe will survive mankind.

Whether mankind survives the universe remains the question.

[Peak_Oil]

15. The universe will survive humanity, that's for sure.

We're stuck with the planet we've got, and that's as far as we're going to get. We blew our one chance to populate other places, so we might as well resign ourselves to this place. Limit our population to a sustainable number and live in harmony with the rest of the creatures here.

[rman]

16. which humans have fucked up this planet?

isn't the raping of the planet mostly due to policies set by the corporate-political-media elite?

There are many more people who are victims of "globalization" and "free trade" then there are people who benefit from it.
Most people do not want the environment (the planet) fucked up for the profit of a few, and at the expense of many.
It's just that the victims have virtually no say in it.

So it's hardly just "humans" who are fucking things up - it is a small minority of humans who fuck things up.

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

18. it's too far gone to be fixable.

If Dennis Kucinich were made dictator of this planet and had like-minded DUers as his deputies running things, we would still be fucked. We've gone too far. The rest of the humans would find a way to make war, pollute, kill each other in the name of various invisible beings.

We. Are. Doomed.

And I am glad.

[shadowknows69]

27. small majority huh.

Are you out in the desert living in a tee-pee and in complete harmony with the environment or do you live a societal life like the rest of us. Driving, consuming, purchasing the offending materials made by the "minority" of humans? If so you're as guilty as anyone. Don't pass the buck. Give up, or fight for a better day.

[Is It Fascism Yet]

17. okay, its not really that humans are bad, its really that fascists are bad

and if we could get rid of them, those who are so greedy that they refuse to protect the environment if they could make a buck by shitting on it, it's those folks, and if we could get rid of the tyranny of fascism that oppresses us, we could protect our planet and restore our culture.

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

19. See post 18.

-GB

[Is It Fascism Yet]

20. that i am glad part is sick

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

21. It's not as sick as dishonesty.

I am speaking my truth.

[AliciaKeyedUp]

22. Why won't anybody just say it?

This is a disturbed and sick thing to wish. You aren't just misanthropic, to wish the death of the entire human race is ill.

Christmas is hard on some people. I suggest you find someone to talk to who has professional skill.

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

24. Maybe you're right. Maybe I am sick.

But is it not justice? Can you honestly look at the mess we've made and say we deserve to continue, as a species, taking up space on this planet?

[AliciaKeyedUp]

31. Justice? How can you have justice with everyone dead?

Yes, we deserve to live. For all the negative things, I can point to positive things. Again, I recommend you get help.

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

23. Entropy is the way of the universe. Doesn't need any helping or hoping.

What you want is the satisfaction of seeing humanity destroyed. Karma can't come soon enough for you.

Face it: Mankind will survive you and me and everyone else who is alive at this moment. But hey! Maybe Science or clean living will extend your life and you will be around to see the whole species go kablooey. Something to live for, eh? :D

I don't like people, but I don't wish death on everyone. Like picking produce at the market, that's something I prefer to do one at a time.

:hi:

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

26. Entropy. Yes.

I suppose my problem is that I'm wishing for justice. Entropy is far more natural and likely to occur.

[shadowknows69]

28. personally

I don't feel we deserve this beautiful world either. Maybe it would be justice for the planet to take us out. She may already be in the process of that for all we know, and if it is, nothing short of us moving to Mars (which our anscestors probably messed up and had to come here anyway)will save our collective butts. I also believe there are other worlds than these (to paraphrase Mr. King again) and that whatever one we happen to inhabit we should always strive for positivity and justice.

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

29. I couldn't agree more. When they found biological material on

Mars a few years back, I said, "I knew it. We fucked that planet over first. Damn us!"

Unburdening my soul like this has made me feel better. Perhaps I'll get some sleep after all.

[itzamirakul]

30. Living in NYC has sort of brought me to

the same kind of mindset that you are describing. In this case, it is not so much the environment, but the disgust with the useless, unnecessary war we are waging in Iraq. I often feel like, "so what the fcuk if we DO have another attack. If I'm gone, then I'm just gone."

Constantly being reminded that we will in all probability, have another terrorist attack has not sent residents fleeing from New York, but has increased the flood of newcomers INTO the city - almost like it is a daring new DisneyYork, with the thrill ride of the century. Waiting for the new terrorist attack.

And they tell us it will most likely be "NEW-Q-LAR." So those of us living in the city evidently feel much as you feel. "Bring it on!" We are willing to be turned to ash in just moments because a lying misguided man has started a war for absolutely NO REASON!