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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 11:40 PM
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who's more dangerous: Bush or LaRouche?
assuming by some bizarre freak LaRouche was able to get elected to the White House, would he be better or worse than Bush? While we wouldn't be invading Iraq or giving insane tax cuts, we'd be planning on colonizing Mars, probably having plans to quarantine AIDS patients, and doing God knows what with England. In the end what would be worse: 4 more years of Bush, or 4 years of LaRouche?
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Keithpotkin Donating Member (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 11:48 PM
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1. Bush.....by far.
Edited on Fri Sep-05-03 11:48 PM by Keithpotkin
beacuase u know.....at least in the long run...only we would be the victems of LaRouches 'wrath'....while with bush...its on the whole world.

hey....at least larouche would build a transnational speed rail system....ive always wanted one of those.
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 11:50 PM
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2. Thank god neirther of them will be President in Febuary of 2005!
n/t
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 11:50 PM
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3. something else I didn't think of: judicial nominees
what type of judges would LaRouche appoint?
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JasonBerry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 11:54 PM
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4. Actually......Bush
Edited on Fri Sep-05-03 11:55 PM by JasonBerry
LaRouche is an anti-semitic fascist of the highest order. The man is a fruitcake! Have you read his stuff????

Bush? He's the worst president ever - without question! However, he is NOT very smart. LaRouche, like Hitler, is a bright man who is just a little crazy. That combination is worse than crazy but not very smart.

I mean, I can't imagine defending Bush - but against LaRouche? I would hope most Democrats would agree that we could survive four more years of Bush to prevent a madman from taking the helm.

Bush is too stupid to be mad.

On Edit: It's not a threat, so it's all kind of silly anyway.

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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 12:16 AM
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9. LaRouche bright?
He thinks the Beatles were part of a British conspiracy to acheive world domination! come on.
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JasonBerry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 12:18 AM
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12. I Hate LaRouche - but he is not DUMB. BUSH is dumb.
At least LaRouche would know who how to spell Beatles.

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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 11:56 PM
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5. hands down bush........larouche bio
Edited on Fri Sep-05-03 11:58 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
http://www.larouchepub.com/resume.html

In November 1978, he designed a computer-assisted forecasting system, the EIR Quarterly Economic Forecasts for the U.S. Economy, which, during the interval 1980-1983, were the most accurate forecasts on the U.S. economy publicly available from any agency. As detailed in a widely circulated report, during the interval 1957-1994, he has made nine forecasts of major turns in the U.S. economy, of which eight have been fulfilled on schedule, and the ninth is in the process of being confirmed by events.

During the course of the 1980s, he was a principal figure in several notable developments which were significantly products of his regular work. During approximately a twelve-month period, February 1982-February 1983, he was engaged in private exploratory talks with the Soviet government concerning a proposal which President Ronald Reagan adopted and presented, on March 23, 1983, as a ``Strategic Defense Initiative.'' In an October 12, 1988 address, delivered in Berlin, and televised for later nationwide broadcast in the U.S.A., he announced the imminent collapse of the Soviet economic system, and the early reunification of Germany, with Berlin again as its capital. During November-December 1989, in close collaboration with Helga Zepp LaRouche and several others, he designed a proposal, which anticipated the later ``Delors Plan,'' which was widely circulated through influential circles in western and eastern Europe, and China, during 1990-1992; this is known as ``The Productive Triangle,'' a design for the recovery of the economies of north Eurasia.

Political
During the interval 1976-1992, he has sought the office of President of the United States five times. In 1976, he ran in the general election as a candidate of the U.S. Labor Party, an independent political association committed to the tradition of Benjamin Franklin, Alexander Hamilton, Henry C. Carey, and President Abraham Lincoln. In 1980, 1984, 1988, and 1992, he sought the Democratic Party's presidential nomination, and has also sought election to the U.S. Congress, as an independent Democrat, from Virginia's 10th C.D.

n January 1983, former U.S. Secretary of State Henry A. Kissinger succeeded in persuading his cronies on the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board (PFIAB) to issue a recommendation for a covert national-security operation against LaRouche et al., according to the provisions of Executive Order 12333. This recommendation was promptly put into effect by the FBI that same month. This operation, which grew into one of most far-reaching intelligence operations ever directed against a U.S. citizen, resulted in the fraudulent conviction of LaRouche and six of his associates on Dec. 16, 1988, approximately six years after the Kissinger-prompted PFIAB initiative of January 1983. One of the principal features of this continuing, 1983-1995, attempt to eliminate LaRouche by conviction and defamation, is the crucial role played by a concert of rogues under the direction of a New York private banker, John Train, of the Wall Street-linked firm of Smith and Train. During 1983 and 1984, Train maintained a salon which included representatives of the U.S. foreign intelligence community and national mass-media, including the Wall Street Journal, NBC-TV News, and Readers Digest, plus the FBI's private asset, the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), and ADL lackey Dennis King. Train's documented function was to establish the common guidelines for the ``black propaganda'' lies to be used jointly by the U.S. news media. During 1984-1988, virtually all of the often massive coverage of LaRouche in the U.S. major news media was lies based on the 1983-1984 formulas adopted by the Train salon. Also, many of the witnesses who were used for the grand jury and trial proceedings against LaRouche and his associates were prepared in cooperation with participants in the Train salon

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farmboxer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 11:57 PM
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6. Bush!
Bush is a retarded idiot and could get the planet blown up!
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pasadenaboy Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 12:02 AM
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7. Bush should be hanging out with LaRouche
in the federal penitentary!!
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ElkHunter Donating Member (300 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 12:18 AM
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11. For those of you that were lefties in the early 70's...
...you might recall LaRouche's National Caucus of Labor Committees (NCLC). These folks acted like regular Brown Shirts - they were thugs that broke up meetings of left organizations and threatened people with physical violence. Since LaRouche had been a member of the Socialist Workers Party before he was expelled in the mid-1960's he seemed to take special pleasure in having his goons harrass meetings and forums organized by the SWP. I remember attending a Militant Labor Forum at Portland State University in the early 70's when LaRouche's NCLC goons showed up and harrassed those in attendence. In my book LaRouche is a lunatic version of a Hitler without a movement. With power I believe that he would be every bit as dangerous.
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 12:20 AM
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13. LaRouche is a socialist?
I heard he had some John Birch Society type theories about communists.
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JasonBerry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 12:22 AM
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15. He WAS a socialist of the left
He is now a socialist of the RIGHT.....ala Hitler.....a National Socialist in theory.
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ElkHunter Donating Member (300 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 12:26 AM
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16. LaRouche
LaRouche was at one time a member of the Socialist Workers Party early in his career.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 01:10 AM
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17. Albert Einstien was a "Socialist" what's wrong with that?
Edited on Sat Sep-06-03 01:25 AM by ElsewheresDaughter
best commentary/thread on the topic.....posted by JanMichael

http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=21138&forum=DCForumID60&archive=

Why aren't more of you Socialists? (shameless appeal to authority) Einstein was!
This is from an essay that Al wrote in 1949.
http://www.monthlyreview.org/598einst.htm

<snip> The economic anarchy of capitalist society as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of the evil. We see before us a huge community of producers the members of which are unceasingly striving to deprive each other of the fruits of their collective labor—not by force, but on the whole in faithful compliance with legally established rules. In this respect, it is important to realize that the means of production—that is to say, the entire productive capacity that is needed for producing consumer goods as well as additional capital goods—may legally be, and for the most part are, the private property of individuals. <snip>

<snip> Private capital tends to become concentrated in few hands, partly because of competition among the capitalists, and partly because technological development and the increasing division of labor encourage the formation of larger units of production at the expense of smaller ones. The result of these developments is an oligarchy of private capital the enormous power of which cannot be effectively checked even by a democratically organized political society. This is true since the members of legislative bodies are selected by political parties, largely financed or otherwise influenced by private capitalists who, for all practical purposes, separate the electorate from the legislature.<ship>

That sure sounds like what is happening right at this very moment, doesn't it?

<snip>Unlimited competition leads to a huge waste of labor, and to that crippling of the social consciousness of individuals which I mentioned before.

This crippling of individuals I consider the worst evil of capitalism. Our whole educational system suffers from this evil. An exaggerated competitive attitude is inculcated into the student, who is trained to worship acquisitive success as a preparation for his future career.<snip>

We're killing ourselves to enrich the few, I'd say that's an idiotic pursuit...

Here's an article proclaiming Einstein to be the "Socialist of the Century". Apparenty Time Magazine forgot to mention the mans political views when they gave a similar award in 2000. That's a shocker

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/History/Einstein_Socialist.html

The system has attacked, defended itself, against several concepts that have merit and deserve open honest discussion.

Words like "Liberal" & "Socialist". Words that are of Progress.


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JasonBerry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 01:13 AM
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18. Absolutely NOTHING
I wear the socialist label with a badge of honor!
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 01:22 AM
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19. JasonBerry...
I :toast: you :7...me too
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 01:24 AM
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20. and me as well
n/t
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UnapologeticLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 12:12 AM
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8. LaRouche scares me, but I would have to say Bush
I really can't stand LaRouche though. In Falls Church, at the Dean rally, they were there handing out stuff, and I was amazed at how many people were taking them. Then a minute later, I walked up to the place where we presented our tickets and they had a "Recycle LaRouche bin," where nearly everyone who had taken LaRouche stuff promptly dumped it. It was pretty funny!

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JasonBerry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 12:16 AM
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10. The Dean Merchandise
Don't take this wrong - I like your posts. But, isn't it sad how we market our candidates for political office in this country like laundry detergent? Flashing ads for merchandise - etc.

I know it's all part of the game, but in a REAL democracy this would be looked on as rather bizarre.
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 12:21 AM
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14. agree n/t
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 01:26 AM
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21. LaRouche is far more entertaining, but even more dangerous than *
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