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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 12:58 PM
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What do Kissinger, Brzezinski, Cheney, Perle & Baker have in common?
Edited on Tue Dec-21-04 01:03 PM by Minstrel Boy
They're all directors of the US-Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce. (Cheney until the 2000 election. Richard Armitage, too.) Lloyd Bentson and Brent Scowcroft are also members.

Here's their website.

And what language was Sibel Edmonds' translating?

From an interview:

CD: Now I know you speak Turkish – but what else?

SE: Because of my time in Iran, I also know Farsi. And Azerbaijani.

...

CD: So you were in the first category, a full linguist?

SE: For Turkish and Azerbaijani I was, yes. But since I hadn't been practicing Farsi for practically 25 years, I was just allowed to be a monitor in that language. I passed all the FBI exams in written Farsi, but not all for speaking. So I didn't do, say, live interviews.


Whatever explosive information Sibel Edmonds uncovered in the FBI translation department, for which John Ashcroft gagged her, came in either Turkish or Azerbaijani.

About the US-Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce. Its stated goals, as posted on its website, include:

To serve as a liaison with governmental and non-governmental entities, business organizations, think tanks, and to encourage cooperation and information exchange

To sponsor educational programs, trade missions, seminars, conferences and publications to foster cultural and business interests


Now, what does this sound like, from Sibel Edmonds' interview:

CD: At several points you state that such organized crime networks employ "semi-legitimate organizations" as their point of interface with governments and the "legit" world. Can you explain exactly what you mean?

SE: These are organizations that might have a legitimate front – say as a business, or a cultural center or something. And we've also heard a lot about Islamic charities as fronts for terrorist organizations, but the range is much broader and even, simpler.

CD: For example?

SE: You might have an organization supposed to be promoting the cultural affairs of a certain country within another country. Hypothetically, say, an Uzbek folklore society based in Germany. The stated purpose would be to hold folklore-related activities – and they might even do that – but the real activities taking place behind the scenes are criminal.


Sibel Edmonds has also said:

You get to a point where it gets very complex, where you have money laundering activities, drug related activities, and terrorist support activities converging at certain points and becoming one. In certain points - and they (the intelligence community) are separating those portions from just the terrorist activities. And, as I said, they are citing "foreign relations" which is not the case, because we are not talking about only governmental levels. And I keep underlining semi-legit organizations and following the money. When you do that the picture gets grim. It gets really ugly.... I can tell that once, and if, and when this issue gets to be, under real terms, investigated, you will be seeing certain people that we know from this country standing trial; and they will be prosecuted criminally.
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 01:01 PM
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1. Holy Moly !!
:kick:


:hippie:
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 01:13 PM
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2. Unindicted war criminals?
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
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rkc3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 01:18 PM
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7. I was going to say they're all assholes, but unindicted war criminals is
a good start.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 01:13 PM
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3. jeez, I thought you were talking about war crimes. n/t
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 01:14 PM
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4. Baku anti-suppression protest suppressed today:
"Police on Tuesday broke up a rally in the Azerbaijani capital of Baku that had been called to protest official restrictions on freedom of assembly."
They never met an IMF oil kleptocracy they didn't like.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 01:15 PM
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5. And what is Azerbaijan noted for?
Oil. Baku was the site of the former Soviet Union's biggest oil refining complexes.
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Southpaw Bookworm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 02:09 PM
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12. Boiling dissidents alive.
Oh wait, that's another of the new "Stan" allies.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,963497,00.html
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nascarblue Donating Member (693 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:54 AM
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32. Thanks for that link... thats brutal. I can't believe how f'ed up our...
Edited on Thu Dec-23-04 08:56 AM by nascarblue
..country is. So many Americans are just disgustingly apathetic and ignorant. I really am in a state of perpetual shock.

I especially like the part where they say the region is more repressive and brutal than 1950's Communist Russia...Unreal.

Craig Murray, the British ambassador to Uzbekistan, said: "The intense repression here combined with the inequality of wealth and absence of reform will create the Islamic fundamentalism that the regime is trying to quash."

Another senior western official said: "People have less freedom here than under Brezhnev. The irony is that the US Republican party is supporting the remnants of Brezhnevism as part of their fight against Islamic extremism."

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kk897 Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 05:30 PM
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44. back in the 80s I had a poly-sci major friend
who would always say that everything boiled down to Uzbekistan. He'd never explain that statement. I think he liked being mysterious. Now I'm beginning to understand why he might say such a thing.
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Sporadicus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 01:17 PM
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6. I Recognized All the Names as Neocons
and this demonstrates that their agenda crosses ideological boundaries. Even with a Democrat in the White House, Strauss' evil spawn worm their way into the corridors of power. Their interest in Azerbaijan doesn't surprise me, given its strategic location in central Asia and its share of the Caspian Sea oil reserves. True to Straussian principles, the PNAC is always trying to expand influence in central Asia, which they see as key to their plans for global domination.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 01:28 PM
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8. Bingo! This has to be the trail that got Edmonds "gagged."
She is one very brave, ethical woman. I only wish I knew how to help her and all of us try to preserve some semblance of democracy.
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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 01:37 PM
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9. What was the prize for knowing the answer???
I raised my hand before I saw it, but you didn't call on me, Minstrel Boy!

This is good stuff, and we at DU got to this spot before.

The Caspian Sea may be the 2nd largest untapped area of oil on the planet. Azerbaijan borders the Caspian Sea, on the west.
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nascarblue Donating Member (693 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:59 AM
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33. Trans-Afghan pipeline...thats why Bush bad mouths France
Because after the US was kicked off the project, France came in. Then Bush does the old reverse pyshology thing and fat stupid america sucks it right up. Oh btw, what's the #1 highest oil producing area?
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 01:55 PM
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10. When will she be able to escape her prison
Edited on Tue Dec-21-04 01:55 PM by burythehatchet
what a tragedy
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 02:07 PM
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11. moreover, in other interviews SE refers to
"certain business relations" and "certain sensitive diplomatic relations" that would be endangered, as reasons given by Ashcroft for gagging her and Congress. (AAR, Majority Report, dec 13 04)
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 02:29 PM
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13. BFEE Business Forum
Prescott Jr did the same thing with Red China. Why do you think Poppy sent Scowcroft over to clinck champagne toasts days after the Tiananmen Square Massacre?

President's uncle shares Bush family ties to China

By Debbie Howlett, USA TODAY
AP

EXCERPT...

Bush's approach centers on promoting U.S.-China economic ties. That's a course favored not only by his father, the first President Bush, but also by his uncle, Prescott Bush Jr., a longtime acquaintance of Chinese President Jiang Zemin.

The Bush family's ties to China go back to 1974, when President Nixon named George Bush ambassador to China. The college-age George W. Bush spent two months in China visiting his parents during his father's two-year stint.

Seven years after his brother left the ambassadorial post, Prescott Bush made his first trip to China. He later joined with Japanese partners in 1988 to build a golf course in Shanghai, the first in China. He met Jiang, who was then the mayor of Shanghai.

Prescott Bush, now 79, also developed a close working relationship with Rong Yiren, a former trade minister and vice president, who in 1993 introduced Bush to a group of Chinese business leaders as "an old friend." In 2000, Forbes publications reported that Rong, who has retired from government, was the richest man in China.

The president's uncle concedes that he sometimes relied on his name to open doors, but he says any deals he made were the result of his own hard work.

CONTINUED...

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2002/02/19/usat-prescott-bush.htm

There's that "hard work" thing again.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 04:28 PM
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14. kick n/t
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Razorback_Democrat Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 04:33 PM
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15. Good Catch!
Others may have seen this before, but this is pretty wild

I knew Edmonds must have something very dangerous to the Admin

I hope she is protected
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 04:45 PM
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16. Great find
Here's what the first link I found web searching for Azerbaijan:

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/aj.html

snip~

Corruption is ubiquitous and the promise of widespread wealth from Azerbaijan's undeveloped petroleum resources remains largely unfulfilled.


Also has a nice map. (right next to number 2 in the axis of evil- which dear old Dick loves to do business with as well)

Gotta love the good old CIA. How handy of them!
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 06:20 PM
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17. Sibel Edmonds: Still Silenced, But Why?
We are getting closer to parallel confirmation of Ms. Edmonds’ gagged testimony from independent sources. These sources have uncovered, either through personal knowledge or exhaustive investigations, the same names and countries that Ms. Edmonds may not disclose. Nor may she confirm such reports. But common knowledge of the journey of heroin from Afghanistan to Western Europe to the US provides a road map. On that map are the countries of Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Pakistan and Turkey. In the documents are names like Atta, Ahmad, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Dostum, Khalilzad, and Bin Laden; and groups like Al Qaeda, the ISI of Pakistan, and the Taliban. The names of companies like Enron, Halliburton, Bechtel, Unocal, and Bin Laden Group appear connected to the off-shore banks that hide money for three infamous families: Marcos, Bush, and Bin Laden. And the same names, like Bush, Cheney, Rice, Bin Laden, Zelikow, Woolsey, and Giffen, intersect in the perpetration of unspeakable atrocities in the quest of empire and power.

Let’s get it right and sort out the criminality. Pinochet was finally indicted. Who’s next? Get out your knitting needles, Madame. The records must be kept.

...

There is a laughable side to this story. It pertains to the gate-keepers of empire, the status quo, treason, and despotism. These gate-keepers are the progressives. Have you heard this story from any of them? Bernie Sanders or Ralph Nader? The Nation? "Democracy Now"? Or do they marginalize those who talk of these things? The connections of the Bush administration to the cover-up of the 9/11 attacks provide the material for the most important topic that we could address. And the de facto confession of Ashcroft in this complicity is an open, infectious wound. It is the most important topic, along with election fraud, that our press will ever have the cowardice to ignore.

One wonders, especially after hearing interviews with retired CIA analyst Ray McGovern: where is the line this administration will not cross, while the scribblers of our free press shield treason for their daily bread?
http://baltimorechronicle.com/121704Hogue.shtml
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 06:42 PM
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18. Classified Letters Regarding FBI Whistleblower Sibel Edmonds

Sibel Edmonds. Photo source: CBS

>>> The following three letters were recently declared classified, even though they had been considered unclassified since their creation in summer and fall 2002. They regard Sibel Edmonds, the former FBI translator who charges that the FBI's translation service 1) is incompetent and corrupt and 2) received specific warnings about 9/11 before the attacks.

As one step to gag her, the Justice Department refused to let her testify at a civil trial regarding 9/11, invoking the rarely-used "state secret" privilege. Meanwhile, the FBI refused to give Edmonds documents concerning herself, which she requested under FOIA (a court upheld the FBI's refusal). Then the FBI retroactively classified its congressional briefings about Edmonds, including any material resulting from those briefings.

This means that three letters written by Senators Leahy and Grassley are now classified. The first two have been pulled off the Senators' websites, although the third one inexplicably remains online . Edmonds and the Project on Government Oversight have launched separate lawsuits challenging this retroactive classification.

All three letters are reproduced below.
more
http://www.thememoryhole.org/spy/edmonds_letters.htm

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kk897 Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 01:58 AM
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28. Octafish, Minstrel Boy, seemslikeadream...
Would you all marry me? :loveya:

Seriously, though...think about the interest the Octopus -- if I may collectively personify these families and others in key power positions (and their machinations) -- has in continual narcotization of, well, the world.

Serves a few functions: the ones doing the drugs are too zonked to squeak when squashed; illicit trade nets huge amounts of mostly untraceable cash (or other items of worth) to fund other illicit or licit activities; you keep law enforcement busy chasing those drug dealers over yonder while you conduct, ahem, business elsewhere; you cultivate an extensive network of cut-throats willing to do any kind of dirty work; you employ a peasant class that will be too frightened to put up much of a fuss if you do something like start dropping MREs from the sky that are virtually identical to explosive devices; you can leverage one nation against another; pit one religion against another; promote fundamentalism and terrorism --- which serve to make your citizenry even more fearful and cowed and compliant...

Boy, I could go on forever. And apparently it has been going on forever. In my gut, I believe there was a bargain struck between Western and Eastern power points in the Middle Ages, during the Crusades and a bit later (and, uh, maybe a bit earlier, during the so-called Dark Ages, but that's a whole 'nother story).

Assassins (look for their roots in mystical Islam and hashish usage) joined forces with knights; Marco Polo brought not only noodles from China and I do believe he traveled the poppy road (through the 'Stans) getting there and back. Superficially they appear at odds, of course, but deep bonds must have been forged among the wealthy and controlling.

It's just a gut feeling, though. I majored in Medieval lit and history, but my lines of inquiry at that time were far different than they are now. I wish I were ten people so that I could read everything I'd need to come to this conclusion through actual *evidence*, but life's short and hidden history takes a long long time to uncover. (Wish Zinn were a medievalist right about now).

OK, it's almost 2 AM and obviously I'm getting giddy. I love you guys (sob!) :grouphug:

(please note: in this particular post, my smilies are intended ironically; my appreciation for your work is untainted by irony)
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 01:42 AM
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36. The Feeling's Mutual, kk897!
Excellent analysis of the reason for keeping the masses doped up, whether it's the real thing or television. Thus, the good folk of DU work to stop these arch-criminals. In actuality, I'm surprised so few DUers are interested in seeing them indicted and frog-marched to the federal penitentiary. Perhaps the other "Sibel Edmonds" will come forward. Until then, let's document what we can, while we can. Of course, when do we all elope?

Origins Unknown/Luisa Kazanas

December 17, 2004, through March 26, 2005

Cranbrook Art Museum has an international reputation for defining the leading edge of art, architecture and design. The surreal sculptures of Luisa Kazanas push this edge to the intersection of art and science with a body of work from the past four years that the artist describes as “a bit of Victorian plus mid-century modern plus Kubrickian 2001 train wreck.”



Luisa Kazanas: To Reach You, 2002. Resin, blown acrylic, taxidermied songbird. Collection of the Artist.


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kk897 Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 02:00 AM
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37. Nice art! and in an unrelated query...
Hi Octafish, all: hope you're keeping warm and safe. I've got a question that's been bugging me that perhaps one of you would know the answer to. Maybe I should make it its own thread, but it could also be rather inconsequential.

Anyway, here's the question:

Does anyone know what has happened to Larry E. King, Jr., of Franklin Community Savings and Loan and mind controlled sex slaves infamy? Does anyone know when he got out of prison? I've been searching for hours without anything past about 2000, when he declined to appeal the damages award to the young man who was abused in Nebraska. I'm also wondering about Alisha Owen, who seems to have fallen from the public eye around the same time.

I just get worried when someone who's battled the Octopus in one way or another drops off the radar screen.

My jury's still out on the whole sex-slave thing, by the way...but boy has my googling tonight turned up some wild stuff! There may be a connection between the Franklin S&L downfall and Iran/Contra, for instance; further, there seems to have been some sort of congressional committee formed to investigate the Franklin stuff, and I'd sure love to see who sat on that committee. These are all verrrrry tenuous to me, but I feel like I keep seeing the same names, organizations, agencies, ideologies turn up over and over and over.

G'night,y'all!
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nascarblue Donating Member (693 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 09:02 AM
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34. Excellent work Minstrel! NT
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 07:12 PM
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19. Is that first link gone already?
Or is it just me?
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 07:27 PM
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20. holy moley, that's weird.
It WAS there. Honest!

When I google, that's the first site that comes up. Except it ain't there anymore.

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=US+Azerbaijan+Chamber+of+Commerce&meta=
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AG78 Donating Member (840 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 07:37 PM
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21. I've had that link
at the bottom of my posts for a while now. I found that site sometime in the spring of this year, and they changed it once since I've known about it. Maybe they're just under construction, but with the likes of the people that are there, you never know what kind of Ministry of Truth type rewriting of history they may do.

Probably just one of those things, and it'll be back up tomorrow, but you never know.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 08:05 PM
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22. Kick! Good one, Minstrel Boy!
Another important thread that I'll be bookmarking.

:kick:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 11:32 PM
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23. Drugs. Oil. War. Money. Power. Totalitarianism.


What's not to love?



Hey! This is a CONSPIRACY, right? You must be a conspiracy theorist. Right? Right?

The connections between Poppy, his still-daily briefings by CIA and all his "work" with Carlyle and Prescott and the rest of the Bush Criminal Empire and his growing Swiss bank accounts must be a coincidence.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 12:20 AM
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24. "I don't believe in conspiracy theories. I believe in conspiracies."
Gary Webb said that.

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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 12:23 AM
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25. Quite a grand chess game, isn't it?
all roads lead to oil...
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 12:32 AM
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26. A veritable film of it covers their rhumy eyes...
They can't see except through sheets of it.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 12:33 AM
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27. "The New Great Game"
That's the title of a good book by Lutz Kleveman, reporting on the rivalries being played out in Central Asia.

From a Guardian piece of the same title, October 20, 2003:

Nearly two years ago, I travelled to Kyrgyzstan, the mountainous ex-Soviet republic in Central Asia, to witness a historical event: the deployment of the first American combat troops on former Soviet soil.
As part of the Afghan campaign, the US air force set up a base near the Kyrgyz capital, Bishkek. Brawny pioneers in desert camouflages were erecting hundreds of tents for nearly 3,000 soldiers. I asked their commander, a wiry brigadier general, if and when the troops would leave Kyrgyzstan (and its neighbour Uzbekistan, where Washington set up a second airbase). "There is no time limit," he replied. "We will pull out only when all al-Qaeda cells have been eradicated."

Today, the Americans are still there and many of the tents have been replaced by concrete buildings. Bush has used his massive military build-up in Central Asia to seal the cold war victory against Russia, to contain Chinese influence and to tighten the noose around Iran. Most importantly, however, Washington - supported by the Blair government - is exploiting the "war on terror" to further American oil interests in the Caspian region. But this geopolitical gamble involving thuggish dictators and corrupt Saudi oil sheiks is only likely to produce more terrorists.

...

The main spoils in today's Great Game are Caspian oil and gas. On its shores, and at the bottom of the Caspian Sea, lie the world's biggest untapped fossil fuel resources. Estimates range from 110 to 243bn barrels of crude, worth up to $4 trillion. According to the US department of energy, Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan alone could sit on more than 130bn barrels, more than three times the US's reserves. Oil giants such as ExxonMobil, ChevronTexaco and BP have already invested more than $30bn in new production facilities.

"I cannot think of a time when we have had a region emerge as suddenly to become as strategically significant as the Caspian," said Dick Cheney in a speech to oil industrialists in 1998. In May 2001, the US vice-president recommended in the national energy policy report that "the president makes energy security a priority of our trade and foreign policy", singling out the Caspian basin as a "rapidly growing new area of supply".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/oil/story/0,11319,1066600,00.html


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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 02:00 AM
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29. Kicking another great Minstrel Boy post
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wadechinoy Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 07:13 AM
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30. Sibel has a petition - Please sign it and pass the link on!
http://www.sibelpetition.com

Sibel and I are working hard to get
the petition signed on line. The petition can now be found at www.sibelpetition.com
and we would GREATLY appreciate your signing it and posting it on Web sites.
Also, another and more important task we are undertaking
is getting as many people as we can to contact their Congressional
reps to release the report.

So many people immediately think "conspiracy theory." On the contrary, Sibel has
crucial information about 9/11 confirmed by the FBI that Ashcroft has unjustly deemed
classifiable due to national security reasons, but a ranking Dem senator (Leahy)
AND a ranking Repub senator (Grassley) who have met with Sibel and seen the
information first-hand have both written to Ashcroft several times expressing
their opinions that the information is only being covered up to avoid embarrassment for the administration.

It's also unfortunate that so many people in the country want to support us but
are afraid to simply sign the petition for fear of retribution. Is this America?
Everything Sibel has done so far has been through Congress and the legal system
(she testified for 3 hours in front of the 9/11 commission in a secure room and
has several lawsuits pending) and she has done nothing but exercise her rights
as an American citizen. Those very rights are what are at stake here, as well as
national security since many of those involved in events that led to 9/11 are
still free.

The 9/11 family groups have been rallying behind Sibel through the process--you
can imagine that they want those people and countries who are responsible for
the attacks and those who let it happen held accountable. They are truly the
ones for whom I am putting in this effort.

Thank you.

Wade Chinoy
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nascarblue Donating Member (693 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 08:32 AM
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31. Wow! Great post...thanks! NT
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ScaRBama Donating Member (107 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 09:32 AM
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35. Man! Minstrel Boy ......
you always come up with some great reads. This all fits into the same connections that Karl Schwarz has been putting together......FOLLOW THE MONEY.
http://www.karlschwarz.com/
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 11:18 AM
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42. Indeed.
:kick:
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 02:16 AM
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38. Damn. And I was going to go to sleep! Link with Iran
Edited on Fri Dec-24-04 02:40 AM by Tinoire
Thank you MinstrelBoy! You're a treasure!

Am going to have to donate just so I can catch up on all your threads I missed...

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O&GJ: Iran should not interfere with Caspian interests, top US official says

Oil & Gas Journal, March 8 2002

Iran should stop trying to pressure its oil-rich Caspian neighbors to follow an agenda not supported by US political or commercial interests, a top US official told government and industry officials at a US-Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce meeting Thursday.

(snip)

The five nations with Caspian coastlines (Russia, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan, and Iran) have not fully resolved ownership over the mineral rights to the seabed or demarcation of surface waters.

(snip)

Stronger tone

Armitage's comments on Iran reflected the stronger tone towards Iran that the White House has been using in recent weeks. Some senior US officials say they are frustrated that political changes promised under reform-minded President Mohammad Khatami are not happening fast enough. President George W. Bush's first State of the Union speech Jan. 29 gave US oil companies the clearest indication yet the administration is not yet prepared to allow American investment in Iran.

President Bush linked Iran with North Korea and Iraq, saying "states like these, and their terrorist allies, constitute an axis of evil, arming to threaten the peace of the world." But even before the president made those controversial remarks, the Caspian region was receiving more attention by policy-makers in light of ongoing Middle East violence. It's also been widely rumored that the White House is preparing the groundwork to take a major military offense against Iraq within the year.

(snip)

http://resources.net.az/d/cog0302.htm

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US official says legal status not needed to develop Caspian oil - Azeri daily
BBC Monitoring Service - United Kingdom; Mar 13, 2002
Text of R. Mirqadirov report by Azerbaijani newspaper Zerkalo on 13 March entitled "USA backs Azerbaijan's position..."

by saying that Caspian oil reserves can be developed without defining its legal status

Special advisor to the US secretary of state for the Caspian region, Steven Mann, believes that Caspian oil reserves can be developed even without defining its legal status. Mann said this at a news conference in Astana yesterday <12 March>. He noted that "this is already taking place", adding that some Caspian states, in particular Kazakhstan, had already started actively developing oil fields in sections of the Caspian Sea, which they considered to be theirs. At the same time, Mann said that if the littoral countries, i.e. Kazakhstan, Russia, Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan and Iran, could agree on the division of maritime resources, then the process of developing the Caspian oil reserves would be more effective. Mann said that as the USA "is not a littoral country", Washington did not express its position on various options for the division of the Caspian Sea put forward by the Caspian states. But at the same time, he especially emphasized that "none of possible options should hinder the export of the Caspian oil" to world markets. In principle, Mann's statement presents Washington's new stance. Since 1993 the US administration has been insisting on the speedy definition of the legal status of the Caspian, believing that effective development of oil reserves in the region is impossible without this. In fact, Mann's statement means that in its future policy regarding the Caspian status and the development of its energy resources, Washington will proceed from the current state of events. That is to say, the USA is against redrawing dramatically the de facto national sectors in the Caspian. This statement by Mann can be regarded as Washington's support for the Baku government's position. This is especially important in the view of statements coming from the Russian side that in dividing the Caspian seabed, the interests of countries that are poor in terms of natural resources should be taken into account. In fact, Moscow clearly hinted that even if the Caspian was divided into sectors, some Caspian states, including Azerbaijan, would have to cede a part of their share to Russia and Iran.

In addition, Mann's statement can also be assessed as a firm and harsh response by Washington to the Iranian government threats that after Novruz , at the end of March, Iran will start the development of the Caspian oil reserves claimed by Azerbaijan to be its own. Further, by his statement regarding the export of Caspian oil reserves to world markets, Mann made it clear that Washington did not share the position of some countries in the region, primarily Russia and Iran, that all the Caspian problems, including the development of oil fields, should be solved by five littoral countries, and others, among them the USA, did not have the right to interfere in solving these problems. In fact, Mann said that Washington would never allow Moscow and Tehran to have a complete control over the transport of Caspian energy resources.

http://resources.net.az/d/cog0302.htm

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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 03:18 AM
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39. I'm going to be sick. The Azerbaijani oil fields that Hitler was after
CD: At several points you state that such organized crime networks employ "semi-legitimate organizations" as their point of interface with governments and the "legit" world. Can you explain exactly what you mean?

SE: These are organizations that might have a legitimate front – say as a business, or a cultural center or something. And we've also heard a lot about Islamic charities as fronts for terrorist organizations, but the range is much broader and even, simpler.


A huge cirlce of KLA terrorists/drug runners, war against Yugoslavia, Kosovo, Russia, Iran. All for OIL.

JEEZUS. That poor woman! The tangled, tangled web...


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US - Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce (USACC) is incorporated in the District of Columbia in 1995. USACC's mission is to facilitate Azerbaijan's transition toward a market economy and its assent into the global economy.
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13 August 1997

The perils may be many, but interest in the Caucasus and Central Asia is high.
Oilmen and U.S. hope dollars and diplomacy will yield a big payoff
By Peter Slevin
INQUIRER WASHINGTON BUREAU

WASHINGTON -- Afghanistan (snip)

(snip)

``It's not for the faint of heart. A lot of our associates in the industry still don't think we're playing with a full deck,'' Miller admitted from Sugar Land, Texas. ``Certainly the political risk is very high, but oil companies are used to dealing with risk and large sums of money.''

Large sums, indeed. Lured by analysts' estimates that there is more oil under the Caspian Sea than there is in Kuwait -- with a potential value of $4 trillion -- oil companies around the world are racing to invest in the surrounding nations of the Caucasus and Central Asia. At last count, U.S. companies had committed $65 billion to just Kazakstan and Azerbaijan. And U.S. policymakers are newly alert to the possibilities and the perils of the region. In search of energy security far from Middle Eastern intrigues, President Clinton and Vice President Gore have urged Caucasus and Central Asian leaders to back American projects. Three Caspian region presidents have visited the White House this summer, and U.S. senators and representatives are adding the area to their itineraries.

The administration's goals for the nations in this suddenly lucrative region are independence, stability and democracy, and a level playing field for American companies. Failure would carry a high price. ``If economic and political reform in the countries of the Caucasus and Central Asia does not succeed . . . the region could become a breeding ground of terrorism, a hotbed of religious and political extremism, and a battleground for outright war,'' Strobe Talbott, deputy secretary of state, warned July 21 in a speech that defined U.S. policy. Among the high-powered consultants working with the oil companies are former Secretary of State James Baker and former national security advisers Zbigniew Brzezinski and Brent Scowcroft. Baker is the honorary chairman of the United States-Kazakstan Council, a business promotion organization. The five honorary advisers to the U.S.-Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce are Baker, Brzezinski, former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, former Defense Secretary Richard Cheney and former White House chief of staff John Sununu.

(snip)

Oil executives and policymakers are counting on a potent combination of dollars and diplomacy to make the region safe for oil. By strengthening the countries born of the collapse of the Soviet empire, the thinking goes, the United States will project influence over a strategic region while limiting the reach of Russia and Iran.

(snip)

To that end, the Clinton administration this year is seeking a 34 percent increase to $900 million in foreign aid to the eight countries in the region that were once part of the Soviet Union. Talbott called it a ``prudent investment in our nation's future.'' Since 1992, the United States has delivered $2.2 billion in assistance to the eight (Azerbaijan, Armenia, Georgia, Kazakstan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan). Clinton has endorsed dual pipelines for the first streams of oil, a tactic to spread wealth and preserve options for the oil producers and their buyers.

Among the projects and the pipe dreams, the most outlandish may be the idea of shipping oil and gas from Turkmenistan through Afghanistan.The civil war continues. The country is a wreck, and skepticism abounds, but Miller and his Unocal colleagues and their Saudi Arabian partners persist.

http://www.cdi.org/russia/johnson/1121.html
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Zavtra Claims U.S. Wants International Forces in Caucasus

Zavtra, No. 31
August 1997

Item by the "Den Security Services Agents' Reports" column,
under the "Bulletin Board" rubric

Information is coming in from Washington confirming that the biggest U.S. oil magnates have given Aliyev (who was in the United States on an official visit) a guarantee that Clinton would soon forcefully deliver "instructions" about bringing international troops into the conflict areas in the Caucasus instead of the Russian Armed Forces. The aim is to encircle Karabakh, isolating it from Armenia, and to deploy subunits in Abkhazia and South Ossetia -- and subsequently in the Ossetia-Chechnya zone. Similar actions were also being planned at secret talks with Shevardnadze, who will soon put forward a number of "significant diplomatic initiatives." During closed meetings, it was suggested that officials from Azerbaijan's security services "plan and carry out, in collaboration with their Caucasian ally (Georgia), some sort of galvanizing actions that would trigger a new outburst, attesting to the inability of the Russian Federation to control the situation in the given regions"....

http://www.cdi.org/russia/johnson/1121.html

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AZERBAIJAN SUGGESTS REGIONAL ALIGNMENT OF NATO, TURKEY AND ISRAEL
01/15/99 MOSCOW CLARIFIES INTENTION TO PLACE MISSILES IN ARMENIA."

01/26/99 AZERBAIJAN SEEKS WESTERN PROTECTION, OFFERS BASES.

01/28/99 ENRON SUBMITS FEASIBILITY STUDY FOR TRANS-CASPIAN GAS PIPELINE.

01/29/99 RUSSIA AND CHINA LOOK TO BOOST TRADE LEVELS.

02/01/99 ARMED GROUPS SEIZE OIL WELLS IN CHECHNYA.

AZERBAIJAN SEEN AS AMERICAN ACCOMPLICE AGAINST RUSSIA
02/05/99 BEREZOVSKY NEWSPAPER ATTACKS U.S.-AZERBAIJANI CONNECTION.

02/17/99 BULGARIAN PRESIDENT HOLDS TALKS IN MOSCOW.

02/23/99 TURKMENISTAN-TURKEY PIPELINE CONTRACT SIGNED.

02/25/99 UKRAINE ADDING TRANSIT CAPACITY FOR RUSSIAN GAS.

02/26/99 RUSSIAN AND CHINA INK GOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENTS.

03/15/99 COMMERCIAL AGREEMENT ON TURKMEN GAS SIGNED.
03/19/99 TRIPARTITE FORCE PLANNED FOR PIPELINE PROTECTION.

03/19/99 GAZPROM THROWS GAUNTLET TO U.S.-BACKED TRANS-CASPIAN PIPELINE.

03/25/99 NATO BOMBING MAY FACILITATE IMF LOAN (TO RUSSIA)

03/30/99 SIX TURKIC COUNTRIES CLOSE RANKS ON INTELLIGENCE FRONT.

04/09/99 RUSSIAN-U.S. TENSIONS OVER IRAQ BACK IN SPOTLIGHT.

04/12/99 ...RUSSIAN DIPLOMACY FAILS TO DETER NATO.

04/14/99 UKRAINIAN-GEORGIAN-AZERBAIJANI MILITARY EXERCISE UNDERWAY.

04/14/99 PROGRESS ON TRANS-CASPIAN GAS PIPELINE AND TURKMEN-TURKISH RELATIONS.

04/19/99 WEST-BOUND CASPIAN OIL PIPELINE INAUGURATED.

04/20/99 HISTORIC MILITARY EXERCISE SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED.

04/27/99 NATO CONTINUES TO PROBE KREMLIN OVER KOSOVO.

04/29/99 U.S. OIL COMPANIES SIGN MULTIBILLION CONTRACTS WITH AZERBAIJAN.

05/06/99 IRAN LOOKS WITH JAUNDICED EYE AT AZERBAIJAN'S LATEST OIL CONTRACTS

http://www.webwm.com/kosovo/h/oil.htm
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 03:42 AM
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40. Bridas
Edited on Fri Dec-24-04 04:05 AM by seemslikeadream
Then it gets even more curious. I met a company in 1999 about oil and gas row across South America in key places. The name of that company is Bridas Corporation of Argentina. Well, 1999 was a long time before 9-11 and it was of little importance to me at that time when they told me that they had filed a $15 billion interference of contract lawsuit against Unocal for interference of contract in Turkmenistan.

They also informed me that they had signed contracts with General Rashid Dostum (that Uzbek who controls the northern part of Afghanistan) and the Taliban.

Seems Bush and Cheney do not want anyone to know that Bridas had contracts to build that pipeline across Afghanistan and we now control it after October 7, 2001, and the attack we levied on Afghanistan. That pipeline is now under construction, is under US control, so it's Miller Time, Emperor GW finally got a "Mission Accomplished."

Now, why didn't Emperor George, Prince Dick or the 9-11 Commission ever say a word about a non-US company having beat the US to that pipeline contract across Afghanistan? Did any of you readers hear a word about Bridas Corporation, Afghanistan, or that pipeline, or that lawsuit in Texas?

....

Guess what law firm represented Turkmenneft to keep Bridas tied up in court? Mayer Brown Rowe & Maw, and senior partner Richard Ben Veniste was sitting on that 9-11 Commission while Bridas was winning. His law firm stands to make hundreds of millions in fees having now positioned themselves in Pakistan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan. Isn't DC policy a wonderfully profitable endeavor?

I was part of a 9-11 program presented in New York City and when the panel I was on was completed, a woman got past security and came running up to me on the stage, wanting to tell me something. She had just been fired from a job in Argentina with one of our major banks and informed that all of Argentina is hoping an American figured out what Bush/Cheney, et al, did to Bridas Corporation. I had a strange peace before that presentation, maybe I knew she would be there to let me know that my information is right on target

http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/10-25-04/discussion.cgi.7.html

Demand Letter To Bush From Karl W. B. Schwarz - Details A Conspiracy
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2504341

NEW Karl Schwarz thread
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2512031

I owe Karl Schwarz an apology (and the DU board)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2529929

Hey, remember Karl Schwarz?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2729939

sangh0 been tombstoned by the way

Karl Schwarz: Iraqi Insurgency - Terrorism or Outrage?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2621485

100 Leaders & 40 Families Launch 9/11 Truth - Karl Schwarz
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2542894

Christian Republican CEO Sends Bush Demand Letter
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2486685
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DavidFL Donating Member (236 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 05:44 AM
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41. Another possible point of interest in the neocons 'war for oil'
Edited on Fri Dec-24-04 05:52 AM by DavidFL
Comes from this L.A. Times article from December 11 re: the firing of Jack Shaw from the Pentagon: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-fired11dec11,1,1293707.story?coll=la-headlines-nation

The article specifically mentions a friend of Shaw's named Don DeMarino. DeMarino had his hands in Iraqi communication contracts. But back in 2001, he served as president of a company called KAK Investments, Inc. http://www.evergreencreditorscommittee.com/CreditorsCommittee2001-10-09.pdf

KAK held the rights to hydrocarbon resources exploration in the Chaco Basin in South America; an area that comprises most of western Paraguay, part of southern Bolivia and northeastern Argentina. Paraguay, of course, is bordered on the west by Brazil and the area where the borders of these two countries intersect with that of Argentina is called the "Triple Frontier."

Although I haven't found a direct connection, I think it's more than a coincedence that the neocons claim that the "Triple Frontier" area has become a "hotbed" of "al-Qaeda" activity, because where al-Qaeda is, there's also been a lot of oil and gas and pipelines.

Antiterrorism experts say extremist cells tied to Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad and Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda network are operating in Argentina, Ecuador, Honduras, Mexico, Nicaragua, Paraguay and Uruguay. Venezuelan strongman Hugo Chavez — whose inner circle includes nationalist military officers who fulminate against a purported "Zionist-NATO" conspiracy — has embraced Saddam Hussein and Muammar Qaddafi in recent visits to Iraq and Libya.


<snip>

One of the most vexing problems, security officials say, is the so-called "Triple Frontier" border area shared by Argentina, Brazil and Paraguay, long a cauldron of multibillion-dollar illegal enterprises such as drug smuggling, money laundering and international weapons trafficking. More than a half-million people live in the area, including 23,000 of Lebanese descent. In early October, Francis Taylor, director of the State Department's Office of Counterterrorism, warned that Islamic extremist organizations, including Hezbollah and Hamas, were both fund raising and proselytizing there. Other U.S. sources say local Muslims also provide a haven for extensive money-laundering operations for extremist groups, with much of the funds repatriated to Lebanon.


http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm?include=detail&storyid=138421

In fact, the neocons in the Pentagon were ready to launch an attack on this region after September 11, despite the fact that there was no evidence anyone from either of these three countries had anything to do with Sept. 11.

The memo's content, NEWSWEEK has learned, was in part the product of ideas from a two-man secret Pentagon intelligence unit appointed by Feith after 9/11: veteran defense analyst Michael Maloof and Mideast expert David Wurmser, now a top foreign-policy aide to Dick Cheney. Maloof and Wurmser saw links between international terror groups that the CIA and other intelligence agencies dismissed. They argued that an attack on terrorists in South America—for example, a remote region on the border of Paraguay, Argentina and Brazil where intelligence reports said Iranian-backed Hizbollah had a presence—would have ripple effects on other terrorist operations. The proposals were floated to top foreign-policy advisers. But White House officials stress they were regarded warily and never adopted.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5570080/site/newsweek/

Anyway, KAK is interesting in itself in that it was owned, in part, by an investment firm called Evergreen, which purchased it through a complex series of shell and passthrough companies. Evergreen was owned by William J. Zylka, who is now serving time in New York after being convicted by the Manhattan D.A. of stealing over $27 million from the firm.

http://www.manhattanda.org/whatsnew/press/2003-04-30.htm

Evergreen also went bankrupt. During the bankrutpcy proceedings, Zylka's daughter, Kristyn, had initially agreed to hand over the Paraguay exploration rights held by KAK to the creditors, but later balked at doing so. With respect to the neocons plans to invade South America, note the date of the above Evergreen creditors' report where KAK's exploration rights are described: October 2001.

DeMarino is also interesting because of who he's connected with. DeMarino is chair of the National U.S.-Arab Chamber of Commerce (the neocons certainly like chambers of commerce) whose membership includes: Baker Botts, L.L.P., Chevron Global Technology Services Co., DeMarino Associates L.L.P., Halliburton, and Riggs Bank, N.A.

http://www.nusacc.org/

Another member of the NUSACC is Robert E. McKee III, a member of the Iraqi Coalition Provisional Authority in charge of Iraq's oil.

http://middleeastreference.org.uk/iraqcpa.html

McKee also sits on the board of the directors of another non-profit called the U.S.-Russia Business Council, whose membership includes: Baker Botts LLP, Barbour Griffith & Rogers, Inc. (Hayley Barbour's lobbying firm), Bechtel Group, Inc., BP, The Boeing Company, Carlyle Group, ChevronTexaco, Citigroup, ConocoPhillips, Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc., Exxon Mobil Corporation, Fluor Corporation (Jim "WWIV" Woolsey's wife serves on the board of directors and is also a director of "The German Marshall Fund", the organization that authored the PNAC's latest letter re: Russia. There's a whole thread on that here at DU, but I can't search to find it.), Halliburton Company, Hunt Oil Company, Lockheed Martin Corporation, Riggs Bank N.A., Sidley Austin Brown & Wood LLP, YUKOS Oil Company and Zell, Goldberg & Co. (Douglas Feith's law firm).

http://www.usrbc.org/Member.asp
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InvisibleBallots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 11:25 AM
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43. wow. just damn
the pieces fall into place.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 05:53 PM
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45. Another piece-
Conservative Christian Republican Demands 911 Truth
Special Report
A funny thing happened on the way to 'The Truth'
By Karl W. B. Schwarz
Online Journal Guest Writer
September 24, 2004—I am a conservative Republican who has come to the conclusion over the past 12 months that I would not vote for Bush Cheney 2004 under bribe, duress or at gunpoint. I have come to that conclusion for many reasons that are well documented and in some instances is information that is known only to myself and several executives that I work with.
I have written a book about my experiences with the Republican National Committee (RNC) and Bush Cheney, and bring forth facts that I found stunning and disgusting to the point that I am convinced that both the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and RNC, and our political system, are in need a serious house cleaning. America needs leadership, not an endless stream of talking heads and game show hosts to keep us entertained. That is my opinion and I am sticking to it.

It would also help if Americans had The Truth but that seems to be something that Washington, DC fears these days.

I read the recent analysis written by Sibel D. Edmonds regarding the 9-11 Commission findings and recommendations. That article was posted on Antiwar.com for those readers that missed it. For those that do not know who Sibel Edmonds is, she is the FBI translator that Bush, Cheney and Ashcroft have gone to great lengths to silence.
The 9-11 attorneys Motley & Rice zeroed in on her as a possible key witness after filing that $1 trillion lawsuit, and when that happened none of us should be surprised that Bush, Cheney and Ashcroft went into "shut her up mode."
Out of curiosity as to how her facts might concur or disagree with the facts I assembled in my book, I tracked Sibel down and we had a long visit via telephone. That conversation was just another example of "don't believe everything you read" in our major media outlets
I followed her story as it developed and the media always reported to us "mushrooms" that her testimony was being blocked "due to national security" and "protecting the Global War on Terrorism." Good enough reasons I thought at first, until I had the chance to hear it from the source.

During the FBI translations Sibel came across pre-9-11 drug trafficking and money laundering and that is evidently what they are trying to keep quiet. It does not take Sherlock Holmes to figure out that first, the Saudis do not need drug trafficking to generate cash flow to finance terrorism if they are in fact the culprits, and secondly, that tidbit of information does not fit what we have all been told about how al Qaeda financed the attack upon America. After I weighed it all, I thought the 9-11 attorneys might not be as interested in Sibel Edmonds' testimony as they first thought because drug trafficking and money laundering is not exactly a Saudi modus operandi.

More importantly, what Sibel Edmonds found was not from counter-terrorism sources. It was from ongoing FBI investigations of Americans and foreign nationals involved in drug trafficking, money laundering and apparently pre-9-11 activities and financing of that attack. Now that explains why Emperor GW cannot dare let Sibel Edmonds testify under oath in that $1 trillion lawsuit, or before Congress or before the 9-11 Commission. We have not been told that Americans might have been in part involved in 9-11. Wouldn't that be a hoot compared to the endless lies we have heard from the Bush administration?

No wonder her testimony (if ever heard in an open forum) is giving heart palpitations to Emperor George, Prince Dick, and Squire Ashcroft......

CONTINUED-
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/092404Schwarz/092404schwarz.html


Note: Bush Pioneer = Campaign contributions of more than $1 million.

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Here’s his letter to Bush-

September 30, 2004
By Email, By Facsimile to White House


Mr. President,
I am a Conservative Christian Republican that has no intentions of voting for you in this year's election and many other Conservative Republicans are following me.
America demands the TRUTH and not after the elections; this nation demands the truth from you RIGHT NOW! This letter and an identical email will be going out to hundreds of thousands by me, millions by others. The following content was sent to the White House by facsimile earlier today from Ground Zero in New York City.

1. I demand as an American citizen that you lift the "gag order" on Sibel D. Edmonds and let Americans know what foreign names and what AMERICAN NAMES she uncovered in her FBI translations that were involved in drug trafficking, money laundering and the financing of 9-11. Her facts and your "official story" lies do not add up. Americans demand the truth on that matter before the election.

2. I demand to know what energy companies were in that Cheney Energy Task Force meeting and what discussions there were as to the steps that would be taken to remove the Taliban and Bridas Corporation as the last remaining obstacle to the United States controlling the Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline. I met that company in 1999 and have known since then about the Bridas v Unocal, $15 billion interference of contract lawsuit in US District Court, Southern District of Texas. I also know about the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals decision on September 9, 2003 that upheld the Bridas $500 million arbitration settlement and the March 22, 2004 denial of Writ of Certiorari at the United States Supreme Court, Case 03-1018, Turkmenneft v Bridas.

3. I demand to know how many prisoners are being held at GITMO and other places that are either BRIDAS EMPLOYEES or are persons that know all about Bridas Corporation and what your administration did to get control of that Trans-Afghanistan pipeline.

4. I demand to know how many board meetings Condoleezza Rice and Thomas Kean sat in on at Chevron and Amerada Hess where it was discussed how they were going to deal with making the billions in "Big Oil" investments into a land locked Caspian Basin and how to get rid of the Taliban and Bridas so they could turn those investments into cash flow. How many times did Big Oil ask for military force to complete a commercial transaction they could not get under their control, and on what exact date did you agree to provide such military force - prior to 9-11? Isn’t it true Mr. Bush that the Cheney Energy Task Force discussed that attack on Afghanistan and removal of the Taliban / Bridas obstacle once and for all – and did so well in advance of 9-11?

5. I demand to know why you appointed 10 persons to the 9-11 Commission, 8 of which are directly benefiting by the Taliban / Bridas "contract" obstacle being removed - breached with military force, and the big Caspian Oil deals that are now coming to market. No, America does not 'thank you' for that nor do we hold such despicable conduct up high.

6. I demand to know what US Oil Company stepped up as the sponsor of that OPIC and Asia Development Bank funded Trans-Afghanistan pipeline and what US company is constructing that pipeline right now, and what US firms are supplying the key components and their relationship to your administration.

7. I demand that you identify the company and persons who were going around Bridas to be "natural gas suppliers" to the US owned natural gas electrical generation plants in Pakistan (Dynegy - Illinova /Tenaska, El Paso (2 OPIC financed transactions) and others.

8. I demand to know why you have not been truthful with the American public that your GWOT and military policy are protecting the Caspian Basin Oil and Gas deals for many of your Bush Pioneers, some $9.6 trillion in oil and about $3 trillion in natural gas, now mostly in the hands of your elite wealthy contributors and some elite Liberals to keep this all quiet.

9. I demand to know what role the post-bankruptcy ENRON (Prisma Energy International, Cayman Islands) is playing in the Caspian Basin area, the same Enron that uses the law firm of Mayer Brown Rowe & Maw that established the offshore SPE's for assets that were never under the jurisdiction of the U.S. Bankruptcy Court.

10. I demand to know why you appointed Richard Ben Veniste to the 9-11 Commission when it was his law firm that was stalling Bridas Corporation at the Fifth Circuit US Court of Appeals in the matter of Bridas Corporation v. Turkmenneft and his law firm is directly involved in Pakistan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan and your administration.

11. I demand to know the exact date of the order that had our military practicing in early 2001 the invasion of Afghanistan to take out the Taliban and Bridas Corporation and make that pipeline under control of US interests, many of your Bush Pioneers, and the exact date that our military started practicing and preparing for that invasion.

12. I demand to know who Remington Holdings Ltd is, and Western Acquisitions, Inc, both Baker & Botts clients and the lucky recipients of OPIC financing to acquire oil and gas deposits in Pakistan. Who are the parties involved in those entities by name and benefited from such governmental magnanimity? Is this transaction a payoff? Since American taxpayers are footing the bill, we have the right to know - right now.

13. I demand to know why you could not find 10 people to sit on the 9-11 Commission that are not directly benefiting from the actions you have taken and the lives you have cost or otherwise ruined. Why would you select people not motivated to find the truth for that would impact “their bottom line”?

14. I demand a full disclosure from your administration as to the Citibank / IFTRIC / OPIC / Export-Import Bank financing of American / Israeli based deals in Islamic nations on behalf of your major campaign contributors.
"IFTRIC and Citibank have an agreement allowing Citibank to finance approved IFTRIC-backed transactions. Citibank Israel CEO Nandan Mar said: ‘The Citibank branch, and the Structured Trade Finance Group, view IFTRIC’s program as a basic product for the bank’s domestic activities.’"
I see distinct differences between "terrorism" and "outrage" (Shurtan II) at your policies.

15. I demand to know why you wanted an entire new division of the CIA for Argentina. As an American citizen I take umbrage to your belligerence towards a nation that is not an enemy of the United States by any stretch of the imagination, except possibly yours. It is abundantly clear that your intentions were solely to intimidate Argentina and Argentina based Bridas Corporation into silence and that is NOT AMERICA. That has every appearance of the United States acting as the terrorist and a state sponsor of terrorism. Yes, you are wrapped in a flag but I clearly see that it is not the one you purport it to be.

16. I demand to know why your administration has never disclosed that DynPort Vaccine, LLC, owned by DynCorp and now owned by Computer Sciences Corporation, a Bush Pioneer, is a possible source for where the weaponized Ames Strain of anthrax came from that was used against this nation. How did your administration manage to miss one of your campaign contributors and a company doing large volumes of business with your administration and even being known euphemistically (DynCorp) as The Mercenary Company? Who put that Contract on America?

17. I demand to know how you can claim a pretense of being a Christian while sponsoring and condoning the torture of prisoners, including sodomizing children, at Abu Ghraib prison.

18. I demand to know how your administration can send firms overseas as "representatives of this nation" that were convicted of running a flesh trade in little girls in Bosnia, specifically one DynCorp. Convicted in Texas and the United Kingdom according to reports I have seen and apparently detested in Afghanistan. You do recall that DynCorp is the company providing security to protect your puppet Karzai in Afghanistan and your other puppet Zalmay Khalilzad is deterring anyone from running for President in that bogus “free” democracy?

19. I demand to know why your administration keeps running the name and photos of Adnan G. El Shukrijumah as the "dirty bomb boogeyman" and on March 25, 2003 the FBI knew exactly where to find him and did not go after him. That telephone call was made from my telephone by a Canadian friend that was in Little Rock on that date, Mr. Bush, so do not pretend "national security" with me. I am "first person" on this matter and all of America deserves to know the extent that your administration has been and is lying to us all – and someone that is not Al Qaeda is probably “dropping a suspect name” as they set up a dirty bomb attack. Sure have pushed up the oil and gas prices with your strategy though, guess we can consider that another "Mission Accomplished".

20. I demand to know why your administration keeps referring to Adnan G. El Shukrijumah as a “Saudi” when the FBI knows full well he is not Saudi. His family is from Guyana in South America and they have lived in Florida since 1986 without incident. His grandparents were from Yemen, moved long ago to South America and his mother is from Trinidad & Tobago.

21. I demand to know why you alerted India, Pakistan and "Axis of Evil" member Iran of your intentions to attack the Taliban / Bridas well before 9-11, and not notify the citizens of this nation. That matter was reported on June 26, 2001 in India newspapers.

22. I demand to know the exact date that the first meeting, first page of the Patriot Act was started by your administration.

23. I demand to know why it is you, your backers, certain Democrats that apparently “hate our freedoms” more than these purported GWOT Islamic fundamentalists, hence the Patriot Act that treats all Americans with the same degree of contempt and disdain you treat all non-wealthy Americans.

24. I demand to know why Homeland Security is protecting this government and not protecting this nation.

25. I demand to know why any dissent or objections to your Orwellian, imperialistic, pro-corporate agenda is referred to the Homeland Security Counter-Terrorism Division.

26. I demand to know why you defile everything you touch and try to twist it into something that is pro-Bush Backers and anti-American citizens and then try to alter our rights as Americans via Patriot Act measures that are designed to force America into submission and does nothing to protect this nation, only this government.

27. I demand to know why your administration is planning a “pro-Bush Pioneers pharmaceutical program” derived from TMAP (Texas Medical Algorithm Project) and PENNMAP (Tom Ridge, Pennsylvania) to have Americans tested under guidelines prepared by your Bush Pioneers and force psychotropic drugs on Americans.

28. I demand to know why your administration keeps injecting our troops with an anthrax vaccine known to be deadly and harmful to the health of our soldiers and now apparently wish to inject that into all Americans under Project BioShield and martial law. Is that why you have no concern whatsoever for the 3 million jobs lost, for between your TMAP lunacy and Project BioShield lunacy, well over 3 million Americans could perish if the same statistical rates hit the general population as has hit our military? Can you explain away Holocaust with “brilliant strategy policy” driven by unmitigated greed?

29. I demand to know why Li Ka-shing was denied Global Crossing on national security grounds (very public) yet allow him in the back door in Savi Technology (not disclosed), the RFID technology company that is purportedly protecting our ports from insertion of a nuclear bomb into this nation via “ocean going containers”. How many doors are left wide open by your administration in this GWOT Fable?

30. I demand to know why you search the world for mythical terrorists and cannot find robber barons and financial terrorist right under your nose. That many of them are Bush Pioneers and even backers of the Democratic Party, and have plundered the investors, workers and citizens of this nation, is very apparent to Americans and not very pro-family on your part.

Christians do not lie, Mr. Bush, for that is an affront to God. A Christian would not willfully mislead this nation, nor send our troops into Harm’s Way for a lie while your wealthy contributors take over a $9.6 trillion oil, $3.0 trillion natural gas deal and already maneuvering for Africa. You are proving to the world that you are terrified of the truth and have impeded every investigation into the truth. Your actions prove that you are not an upstanding Christian, nor are you a Conservative Republican worthy of that designation.
Your position as President does not make you unaccountable to the citizens of this nation, nor does it entitle you to act as a tyrant, an emperor, or serving only those Americans that dole out money for your political ambitions and agendas. I see no “stewardship” in your conduct whatsoever.
You have "Mission Accomplished" three times - the removal of Taliban / Bridas to control that pipeline, radically escalated the price of oil and gas for some of your major backers, and the death and maiming of many due to your lies. Your "Iraq Strategery" makes perfect sense to me, since all of you needed a diversion away from Afghanistan, the Caspian Basin and what you did to Bridas Corporation to get control of that $9.6 trillion in oil, $3 trillion in natural gas.
Go back home and wrap yourself in the flag of Texas and the shame you alone are responsible for creating. Your resume is your doing and yours alone.
If you were running against me this year, you would not have the guts to stay on the stage in a debate with me.
Shame on all of you, both sides of the aisle that have lied to America and gotten so many killed and maimed for a lie, and no, I am not an antiwar person. Just adamantly opposed to what you stand for, for that is lower than Clinton on his worst day.

Sincerely,
Karl W. B. Schwarz
Pres., CEO
Patmos Nanotechnologies, LLC

http://news.phaseiii.org/article3355.html
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46. Damn. That's the most comprehensive indictment ever. Ever. n/t
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 11:04 PM
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47. what the hell, let's kick some life back into it. n/t
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:17 AM
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48. Keep kicked till Bush is in Leavenworth.
Money, drugs, oil, power -- some light crude reading:

Kissinger, Unocal, Enron and Cheney

"In November 2001, the Washington Post examined the history of the Unocal pipeline in a story headlined 'How Afghanistan Went Unlisted as Terrorist Sponsor.' That story also mentioned Kissinger's role: 'Unocal appealed to the Taliban and received assurances that it would support a $4.5 billion project rivaling the trans-Alaska pipeline. The deal promised to be a boon for the Taliban, which could realize $100 million a year in transit fees.' But Unocal also needed U.S. backing. To secure critical financing from agencies such as the World Bank, it needed the State Department to formally recognize the Taliban as Afghanistan's government. 'Unocal hired former State Department insiders: former secretary of state Henry A. Kissinger, former special U.S. ambassador John J. Maresca and Robert Oakley, a former U.S. ambassador to Pakistan.' Zalmay Khalilzad, an Afghan-born former Reagan State Department adviser on Afghanistan, entered the picture as a consultant for a Boston group hired by Unocal. Khalilzad and Oakley had dual roles during this period because the State Department also sought their advice. Khalilzad is now one of President Bush's top advisers on Afghanistan.' Which makes me wonder whether Kissinger should be asking questions -- or answering them."

Oh, Henry
Salon.com, 3 Dec 2002

"And an FBI source told The Enquirer: 'Enron and Unocal dumped hundreds of millions of dollars into Afghanistan and the Taliban. The pipeline would relieve our dependence on Saudi Arabia -- and Enron would make billions."

Enron gave Taliban $millions
National Enquirer, 4 March 2002

"A captured Al Qaida document reveals that US energy companies were secretly negotiating with the Taliban to build a pipeline. The document was obtained by the FBI but was not allowed to be shared with other agencies in order to protect Enron. Multiple sources confirm that American law enforcement agencies were deliberately kept in the dark and systematically prevented from connecting the dots before 9/11 in order to aid Enron’s secret and immoral Taliban negotiations.... in January 2001, Vice President Cheney allegedly reinstated the intelligence block and expanded it to effectively preclude any investigations whatsoever of Saudi-Taliban-Afghan oil connections. Former FBI counter-terrorism chief John O’Neil resigned from the FBI in disgust, stating that he was ordered not to investigate Saudi-Al Qaida connections because of the Enron pipeline deal. has confirmed that it was O’Neil who originally discovered the AL Qaida pipeline memo after the Embassy bombings in Africa."
What Congress Does Not Know about Enron and 9/11
John Loftus, Press Release, 31 May 2002

Kissinger Should Be Giving, Not Taking, Evidence At The 911 Inquiry

Kissinger, The Caspian Sea and Afghanistan


Some Questions About 911 That Should Be Put Directly To Kissinger Himself - click here

"Armitage's Caspian knowledge is not second hand. In addition to his work for his own consultancy Armitage became a founding Director of the US-Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce in 1996 along with a formidable phalanx of captains from the oil industry including Unocal President John Imle. At the time the Chamber extended 'deep appreciation to the following companies which have contributed to its establishment: Amoco, BP America, Chevron, Exxon, Mobil, Occidental, Panalpina, and Unocal.' Not too many internet start up companies there. Other interesting characters who have held positions with this innocuous-sounding oil industry funded organisation include: James Baker, Dick Cheney, Henry Kissinger, Brent Scowcroft, John Sununu, and Richard Perle ."

What Did Britain Know About 911?
Fight Smart, 28 Aug 2002

"The Caspian area is there to be exploited. Oil, natural gas. One pipeline was planned through the southern Balkans, the split-apart area formerly called simply Yugoslavia. Standing in the way was a strongman, Slobadan Milosevic, who took over more or less with the demise oflong-time dictator Marshal Tito who with an iron fist kept the ethnic and religious groups in check. Milosevic was once considered charming and popular. Toppling him started with the Henry Kissinger design of wrecking the Yugoslav banks. Kissinger & Associates have been a nest of clever snakes fronting for Big Oil and dictators and butchers worldwide. So, building on the natural friction between ethnic and religious groups in Yugoslavia, became the excuse for the U.S./British attack on the Belgrade government... If not so bloody and tragic, the whole event would be laughable... Who would rightfully dare prosecute the U.S./British leaders as war criminals? The International tribunals, made up of yesmen and cowards, are a dead letter. "

THE PIPELINE PLOTS, PART ONE
Sholnick's Report, 1/9/2002

CONTINUED w/Lots o' links:

http://www.btinternet.com/~nlpwessex/Documents/kissingerunocal.htm

Remember, DUers! Facts are not stupid things.
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