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Spike from MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 12:14 PM
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Salvation Army flag defaced
Don't know if this has already been posted here but in case it hasn't, the flag outside of the SA in Austin, MN was defaced last weekend.

AUSTIN - Police are searching for the people responsible for desecrating a U.S. flag in front of a Salvation Army office.

Vandals wrote "STARVATION ARMY" and "KEEP WARM, BURN THE RICH" on the U.S. flag that flies outside the agency in Austin. It was discovered over the weekend flying upside down, which is a symbol of distress.

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Anyone convicted of desecrating the U.S. flag faces a fine and up to a year in prison.


That last line is particularly interesting. If they catch the people that did this, I can only hope they will show up in court with a copy of the picture of Dubya autographing the flag. Would make for a rather interesting defense.

Here's a link to the story:

http://www.kstp.com/article/stories/S5107.html?cat=64
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 12:20 PM
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1. I think it's kinda funny. eom
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Spike from MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 12:34 PM
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5. I'll admit I laughed like hell when I saw this on the local news.
Edited on Thu Dec-23-04 12:45 PM by Spike from MN
But maybe that's because I'm a punk rocker from way back when and we always referred to the SA as the Starvation Army. I think there was even a song with that title but I don't recall offhand which band did it. Anyway, I immediately pictured the guilty party in court showing the shot of Dubya defacing the flag and that made me laugh even harder. That would be classic.
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RoBear Donating Member (781 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 12:21 PM
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2. Pretty distressing, but
Phred Phelps and his crowd "desecrate" flags in his demonstrations--standing on them, running them through their legs, etc. I'm no flag waver, but it pisses me off that they get away with this and Bush can write on a flag, but the RWA are all upset about a flag flying upside down, which seems to me a legitimate statement.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 12:23 PM
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3. I'm completely opposed to vandalism
But in a relative sense, discriminating against gays seems like a worse crime, so it's hard for me to get all choked up about this.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 12:29 PM
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4. Well, let's just wait for the freeper trolls then.
THEY'll have no problem getting their pants in a knot over this.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 01:04 PM
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6. I don't agree with it, but when push comes to shove, a flag
is just a piece of cloth. Burning a flag, or writing on one, should be allowable expressions of free speech if it is your flag. If it isn't, it's simple vandalism.

To grant the flag any higher status comes close to veneration, declaring it sacred, which is both a violation of the first amendment and the second commandment.

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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 01:12 PM
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7. This will get the Elks Club in a tizzy.
I suppose it's been on channel 3 news but I rarely watch.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 01:16 PM
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8. What good will that do?
I'm sorry, but that's wrong. There are far better ways to express your feelings about the SA than that. Like it or not, the SA does do some good work. We may not agree with all of their policies and actions, (I sure don't, especially on gays), but they do help a lot of people who otherwise wouldn't be helped, and isn't that what's important? Actions like these are not only wrong, they don't do our side any good at all, they turn people against us.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 01:27 PM
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9. It's not productive, I agree with that part
It doesn't do our side any good whatsoever. But I completely disagree with this:

"they do help a lot of people who otherwise wouldn't be helped, and isn't that what's important?"

Their good deeds don't excuse them. Saddam arranged for health care for all citizens, that doesn't excuse all the bad that he did.

You can't actively work to spread hate and bigotry, and justify it by saying we fed some poor people, so it's all good. If they weren't getting federal dollars for their discriminatory organization, another nonfaith-based charity would be getting those dollars and feeding the poor without legitimizing homophobia. It's not a choice between a bigotted charity or nothing, it's a choice between a charity that does or a charity that doesn't discriminate.
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