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bleedingheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 03:55 PM Original message |
What was pre-Castro Cuba like? |
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MissBrooks (614 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
1. Miami |
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SharonAnn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 08:06 PM Response to Reply #1 |
51. My husbandlived there as a teenager in a middle-class family. |
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montanacowboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
2. Wealthy Americans - Mob connected businesses, |
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Jacobin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
3. Mafia playground, brutal military dictator repressing Cubans |
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enigami (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 03:59 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. not that castro is a brutal military dictator ? |
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bleedingheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 04:03 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. The Czar was a brutal dictator yet people jumped onto the |
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(1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 06:27 PM Response to Reply #8 |
36. How was he worse... |
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Sterling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 07:19 PM Response to Reply #36 |
43. I don't think it was a contest. |
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enigami (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
4. Like Vegas |
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catzies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 04:23 PM Response to Reply #4 |
21. and with better weather |
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Calico Jack Rackham (410 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 04:28 PM Response to Reply #4 |
22. Like Vegas |
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TroubleMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 07:25 PM Response to Reply #4 |
44. and young women and girls being forced into prostitution. |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
5. Las Vegas, but without as much enforcement and fewer regulations |
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bleedingheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 04:01 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. basically all the posts are reinforcing what my mom told me... |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 04:03 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. It's also worth mentioning that one of the reasons that Cuba |
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bleedingheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 04:09 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. that is very interesting.... |
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Cuban_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 04:10 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. Bingo! |
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Carl Brennan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 06:17 PM Response to Reply #10 |
33. Why would Cuba being communist prevent them from being our ally?? |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 06:21 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Because at the time this happened we were at the peak of the "Red Scare" |
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Carl Brennan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 06:36 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Yea, the Red Scare was manufactured then as the anti-Castro |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 07:07 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Almost entirely throughout it's history, the US has practiced a philosophy |
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Carl Brennan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 07:15 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. But there is something deeper than this. Why the sudden flip |
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Sterling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 07:26 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. The Commies took complete control after WW2 in China. |
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Carl Brennan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 09:05 PM Response to Reply #45 |
65. The thing that doesn't make sense is why we were close allies in a |
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chicagiana (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-04 12:23 AM Response to Reply #65 |
76. Phiplosiphy doesn't matter ... |
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Sterling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 07:29 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. Well yes.... |
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Carl Brennan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 09:23 PM Response to Reply #46 |
68. I agree, Communism is a threat to the artistocrats, but, a great ally |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 08:08 PM Response to Reply #42 |
52. The flip occurred primarily because of a fear that post- WW2, |
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no name no slogan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 09:33 PM Response to Reply #37 |
69. Go read "An Homage To Catalonia"-- his book about the Spanish Civil War |
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tsuki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 08:14 PM Response to Reply #33 |
54. Castro closed the brothels, the mob casinos, and the American |
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Carl Brennan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 09:41 PM Response to Reply #54 |
70. And the CIAs point man in pre-Castro Cuba was drug kingpin Santos |
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tsuki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 11:05 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. And so, for over 40 years, never having fought a war, we have boycotted |
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Carl Brennan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 11:36 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Castro messed up the CIA--Mafia illegal drug trade. |
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d_b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-04 03:04 AM Response to Reply #10 |
79. Castro supposedly jailed members of the communist party |
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bobbieinok (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-04 12:48 AM Response to Reply #10 |
84. Castro came to US to ask for help and gave a speech at the UN |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
9. Think Meyer Lansky, Lucky Luciano, and Bugsy Siegel n/t |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 04:04 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. That's BENNY goddamnit, nobody calls me Bugsy :) |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
12. An American colony with a puppet president. |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 04:07 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Or as Chimpy would call it, a democracy n/t |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 04:14 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. LMAO |
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Carl Brennan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 06:20 PM Response to Reply #13 |
34. LOL nice one!! |
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oneighty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 04:11 PM Response to Original message |
16. Shipmates |
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Mayberry Machiavelli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 04:16 PM Response to Original message |
18. This is like asking, "What was China like before Mao?" In other words, |
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jaysunb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 04:20 PM Response to Original message |
19. Did you know that |
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bleedingheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 04:22 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. I have noticed that but didn't know the percentages |
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sonicx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 04:34 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. I think you have it backwards. I read that most Cubans are white and... |
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jaysunb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 05:05 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. 65% |
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ChairOne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 07:59 PM Response to Reply #25 |
49. Spoken like a true American - lol |
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tsuki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 08:16 PM Response to Reply #19 |
55. Ask an exile and they will tell you that they are not Cuban...they |
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ChairOne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 08:25 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. A *white* exile mebbe.... /eom |
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tsuki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 08:40 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. Ask former Florida Republican Governor Martinez for example. |
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ChairOne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 08:53 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Perfect! lol /eom |
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JanMichael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
23. "Marsha, Marsha, Marsha!" |
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GoBlue (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
24. Basically the government was a dictator name Juan Batista |
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ragin_acadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 04:36 PM Response to Original message |
26. pre-castro, the average lifespan of most cuban's was around mid thirty. |
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tsuki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 08:19 PM Response to Reply #26 |
56. Cuba has a better human rights record than the US. |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 04:40 PM Response to Original message |
27. A Cuban landlord of mine about 30 years ago |
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tsuki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 08:23 PM Response to Reply #27 |
57. Castro educated the Cuban populace for his death. There will never be |
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Lefty48197 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
28. My parents said it was like we think of Hawaii today: Paradise. |
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tsuki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 08:28 PM Response to Reply #28 |
61. My European friends call it paradise. Without Americans. |
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MisterP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 05:45 PM Response to Original message |
30. tropical Disneyworld run by Brando and Pacino |
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JanMichael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 05:48 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Like Epcot and everybody was smiling and happy! |
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Mika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 06:07 PM Response to Original message |
32. Here ya go.. stats |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 06:40 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. At least one thing hasn't changed... |
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TheKingfish (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 06:50 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Guantanomo doesn't fall under Cuba's Jurisdiction |
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tsuki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 08:26 PM Response to Reply #38 |
60. Especially in Gitmo. |
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ngant17 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 07:00 PM Response to Original message |
40. Cuba BC (before Castro) |
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Tinoire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-04 03:29 AM Response to Reply #40 |
80. Cool! welcome to DU Ngant17 |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 07:36 PM Response to Original message |
47. Actually, the short bit about Cuba in "The Godfather" is quite accurate |
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ChairOne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 08:01 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Honduras defined "banana republic", IIRC... /eom |
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ChairOne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 07:57 PM Response to Original message |
48. Pre-Castro Cuba = Juan Crow, also... |
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tsuki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 08:10 PM Response to Original message |
53. I remember the Baptistas fleeing Cuba. If I, as a junior high schooler, |
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ChairOne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 08:24 PM Response to Reply #53 |
58. Who? /eom |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 08:32 PM Response to Original message |
62. Another thing ignored by the exiles who fled Castro |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 09:21 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. Isn't it ironic that |
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Mika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 10:46 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. Hey, malaise. FYI You can't use your SS money in Cuba |
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ngant17 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 11:56 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. "Hey, malaise. FYI You can't use your SS money in Cuba" |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-04 09:03 AM Response to Reply #71 |
82. Lucky me then |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 09:23 PM Response to Original message |
67. I was never there, but I know a couple who honeymooned there |
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TheKingfish (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-04 01:00 AM Response to Reply #67 |
85. Oh no not beggars!! |
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FlaGranny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 11:59 PM Response to Original message |
75. Nightclubs and |
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Jim Warren (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-04 02:13 AM Response to Original message |
77. See some states of Mexico today |
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d_b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-04 02:59 AM Response to Original message |
78. A U.S. cash-cow. |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-04 03:31 AM Response to Original message |
81. a cross between miami, vegas and colombia |
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jesusq (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-04 11:55 PM Response to Original message |
83. Younger Cuban friends of mine |
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