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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 05:30 PM
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Don't shop at K-Mart, They are open till 9PM Christmas Eve and open
on Christmas Day.
Old Man Scrooge is working at K-Mart corporate HQ.

People should be able to spend Christmas with their family.
It is bad enough there are law enforcement, health care workers and other important work that must go on. But to make a buck on Joe Shopper, that is just plain sick.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 05:32 PM
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1. Um, not everyone celebrates Christmas
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Kikosexy2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 05:32 PM
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2. That's...
soooo Republican and yet un-Christian of them!! Where are their moral values--good Lord!!!
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mantis49 Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 05:35 PM
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3. Um, I don't feel sorry for them.
People in health care work holidays all the time.

I'm working Xmas day.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 05:36 PM
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6. do people in healthcare get paid 5.25 an hour?
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TrueAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 05:42 PM
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14. In El Paso they do
Medical Assistants don't make much more than that.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 06:11 PM
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24. Neither do CNAs.
The true backbones of the nursing home system. Nor do orderlies..
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 05:38 PM
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7. It is not a necessity that a store be open, it is necessary for the
hospitals and nursing homes to continue to provide a service.
I do feel sorry for those people as well.
But to make a lousy buck? I don't care, it sucks.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 05:27 PM
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61. Exactly! If I get sick should I boycott a hospital on the holiday???
Once upon a time I worked for a company that require us to be open during the holidays. Many of those who worked those hours were non-catholics or non-christians. And they didn't mind it at all. They got triple time for working a national holiday. I am a catholic and had to work. Did I boycott my company? Nope. I liked working there and it was a part of the job.
So next time you throw a stone at K-mart for staying open till 9pm, think about all the people that have to work to keep the hospitals running, your sewers operating, your water treatment plants going, your power on in your house or the police and fireman that would rather be with their families are out putting our x-mas tree fires or finding the guy who stole someones x-mas gift.
Think about that when you are at home watching, "it's a wonderful life", because there are techs putting those shows on the air, that also want to be home with their families.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 05:48 PM
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67. ....and got the gambling joint and the whores and musicians for
those wild Christmas parties.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 05:35 PM
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4. Our local K-Mart is
open until fucking MIDNIGHT on Christmas Eve, believe it or not. The Wal-Mart, just down the street, is MUCH worse, though, they treat their employees like total shit, whereas K-Mart, at least our local one, is a lot better in that respect. I know people who work there and they say the management is actually pretty decent to them. Not so for Wally-World, though.
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crabcake2020 Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 01:24 PM
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45. Local Walmart...
The local Walmart is open 24 hours. Today, it closes at 7pm. I'm not sure if it open tomorrow.
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lgardengate Donating Member (341 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 12:50 AM
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89. I worked for Kmart and believe me...
Kmart would employ satan in middle managment just to distroy the lives of there workers.They are the anti christ dressed up in high heals.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 05:36 PM
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5. I see nothing wrong with this
I used to work for KMart and they paid double time and a half on holidays.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 05:43 PM
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15. Brother did too
Use to manage and loved getting the extra pay.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 05:48 PM
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19. I worked almost every Xmas for 31 years
On the railroad. Got paid Double time and one-half, and we were usually all drunk!!!
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 09:41 PM
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84. Are you sure they still do this?
Lots of jobs that used to pay overtime don't anymore, thanks to the current administration's policies. I'd say the odds are about even that what you get for working Christmas at K-Mart is simply "a job to come to from 12/26 on."

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nine23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 05:38 PM
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8. Do you mean they "choose" to be open "Saturday"?
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gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 05:39 PM
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9. Lighten up, Francis...
I'd guess plenty of K-Mart workers appreciate the chance to get overtime rather than lose two days' pay because the store is closed. Probably voluntary, with more than enough volunteers, I'd guess.

And I bet non-Christians appreciate being able to shop somewhere on Christmas day... a lot of K-Marts have grocery sections.

I bet plenty of Christians go out to get batteries for the toys, or last minute gifts, or whatever.

Used to be a record store here that was open noon to 9 Christmas Day, and I'd end up there every year it seemed. Especially if I had a gift certificate!
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kdmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 05:39 PM
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10. Yeah, almost as bad as being open for Yom Kippur.
Let's boycott all the companies that are open on Yom Kippur and Eid-Al-Fitr, too!! :eyes:

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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 05:39 PM
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11. K-Mart has come out of a bankruptcy, I'm sure this is the....
...work of bankruptcy court receivers who are only interested in squeezing out all of the cash they can to pay creditors. So what if they take it off the backs of K-Mart employees. Bottom line, that is all that matters. When they get their last cent from the company, they'll cut it loose and let it die.
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TrueAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 05:44 PM
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17. KMart does this
every year. Nothing new.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 09:43 PM
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85. If they're in such tough financial shape...
...how come they've got enough money to take over Sears?

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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 01:18 AM
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90. Good point, finance has always been a puzzle to me, but at...
...8:30PM this evening (Christmas Eve) the K-Mart close to my house had a packed parking lot. When they open tomorrow and get all of that post Christmas rush of gift exchanges and post Xmas buying, the CEO I'm sure will be able to justify the leveraged buy-out of Sears to his board of directors, at least for the short run.
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MissBrooks Donating Member (614 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 05:41 PM
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12. I bet you'll be singing a different tune if you for get to buy
something and Kmart is the only place open on Xmas day.

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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 05:43 PM
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16. I will not, NOT go shopping on Christmas day!
I hardly go anywhere on holidays, it is family time as we get so little these days.
If I can't wait until the next day, then I am the sorry one.
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Jesus H. Christ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 06:19 PM
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27. I take it you don't have any kids.
I've never seen a parent who was upset that a store would stay open at odd hours.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 09:40 AM
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32. Yes I do have children and we have always been prepared or said
It can wait until tomorrow.
My wife works retail and she believes her employees should be home with the family.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 04:08 AM
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31. I always say that...
until, well shit, I forgot the film, batteries, whipped cream, used all the brown sugar...

Many KMarts sell food these days too, maybe that's why they'll be open.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 11:37 PM
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110. I stopped by a gas station today
and got some gas and cigs.

However, I must admit, I knew it would be open today, so I didn't stock up.

If I'd known places would be closed, I would have had provisions.

Funny how we take that for granted now.
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dddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 11:20 AM
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37. Funny you should mention that
One year our K-mart was open on Thanksgiving. I was indignant. I couldn't curse them enough - "how dare they! Can't they give people one stinkin' day off! what's this world coming to, blah blah blah", until I opened the refrigerator and discovered I was out of butter. Naturally, I sent my husband straight to K-mart, and my family enjoyed their Thanksgiving dinner while I ate crow!
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The empressof all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 05:42 PM
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13. Bah Humbug
I'm all for people celebrating Christmas and enjoying their day however we are a diverse country with many who do not celebrate. It's frustrating not being able to find a grocery store open. I know that here in PNW there was lots of grumbling about Safeway stores staying open on Christmas but I appreciate it. I'm sure many employees enjoy the holiday pay as well. Working in the medical field myself, I'm always suprised at the number of employees who want to work the holiday.
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rabid_nerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 05:47 PM
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18. waah...
It's fine...

I wish everything was open normal and I could take this day and use it in the summer
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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 05:52 PM
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20. A daughter of one of my customers is working Xmas day and
Edited on Thu Dec-23-04 05:53 PM by BlueJazz
...she's happy as hell over it. They're Jewish and she's thrilled to be getting something like 14 bucks an hour.

I guess it just depends on your point of view....(On EDIT: She works at K-Mart)
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 08:42 AM
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115. What the heck kind of retail have you all worked???
Edited on Sun Dec-26-04 08:42 AM by LostinVA
I managed a big-box bookstore for five years, and NO ONE received one extra cent per hour for working Thanksgiving, Xmas Eve, or Xmas Day. My sister's here for Xmas, and she managed a clothing store, and she just said the same thing. I'm not talking about managers, I mean our hourly employees... not overtime, double-time, a free lunch, a frigging candy cane. Nothing. Alot of our employees WOULD have liked to make overtime, because the job paid them so badly.

Retail stores shouldn't be open at Christmas. People should be able to have a day off with their families. My mom and sister are nurses, and they do occasionally have to work a Thanksgiving and a Christmas. I just asked them about this, and they said only skeleton staffs are on duty then. But that's a different subject!
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 05:59 PM
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21. KMart's a red company
So I won't be shopping there anyway. The KMart Corp PAC gives mainly to republicans - in 2000, it was over 90% red, and in 2002, almost as red (that's not even counting their support of Zel Miller).

Christmas hours or not, they won't be seeing the insides of my wallet.
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Nicole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 06:00 PM
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22. I loved working Christmas Day
as a single person putting myself through school. The pay was good & work was much easier than regular work days because not many customers around. We took longer breaks because we had a covered dish dinner supplied by my employer.

More money, less work & a free dinner. Hell yeah I volunteered to work every holiday.
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flygal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 03:54 AM
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112. I did too - it was pretty easy flying on Christmas
Now Christmas Eve and the 26th are a different story. There were flight attendants paying big bucks for people to fly their trips on Christmas. Since my husband was in the Navy we got used to working holidays and having Christmas on the 23rd or 26th. It wasn't a big deal.
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Jesus H. Christ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 06:04 PM
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23. Fuck that.
Reminds me of people who insist other people's business close on sundays, or not serve alcohol on the weekend.
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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 07:43 AM
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114. LOL
I wish that I read this post before I joined DU. I would be using the name "Fuck That" LMAO
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 06:17 PM
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26. K-Mart Isn't Observing Day of the Lord?
Why aren't the religious right upset over this yet? Methinks their love for profiteering outweighs their sense of religion. Heh heh. One more Freepy trait revealed.
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OneTwentyoNine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 10:43 AM
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34. ROFLOL......DING DING DING
Edited on Fri Dec-24-04 10:44 AM by OneTwentyoNine
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Brian_Expat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 06:21 PM
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28. They also give large donations to the Repubs. Reason enough not to go n/t
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KSAtheist Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 01:29 AM
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29. Don't be naive.
That's good overtime they're working.

Hell, when I work XMas day for the WPD, I don't even get time and a half.
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OneTwentyoNine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 10:49 AM
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35. Your a Wichita cop??
Glad to see ya on the boards. You ever patrol west Wichita?? I'm out around 13th/Maize.
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KSAtheist Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 12:44 PM
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43. No...
But I do work case desk.

If someone should happen to steal your car, or your wallet, or your cell phone, you'll talk to us.
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proudbluestater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 03:49 AM
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30. I'm working Christmas night. I am not all that upset.
The same people will not be working both days, I'm sure. Those who work Christmas Eve will have Christmas Day off. Those working Christmas Day will have Christmas Eve off.

Walgreen, I'm sure, will also be open. Shall we add them to the boycott list?

I guess I don't share your outrage.
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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 10:52 AM
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36. The real issue is the pay.
Folks who are making minimum wage, or just over, can't earn enough to support themselves or their families in most areas -- the math doesn't work.

If you want to understand this, read Nickel and Dimed: On (Not) Getting By in America, by Barbara Ehrenreich. She went out and got three different minimum wage jobs -- waitress, cleaning woman, and big box retail clerk -- in three different states and tried to live on the money -- she couldn't do it.

Or, get a subscription to Dollars & Sense, a great progressive magazine about real economics and real people.

In 1980, the average CEO made 42 times the average blue-collar worker's pay. That increased to a multiple of 85 in 1990. In 2000, the average CEO made 531 times the average blue-collar worker's pay. Source: Dale Wortham, Houston Chronicle, Outlook 2/20/02

Congress has given itself many raises, but refuses to raise the minimum wage to even kinda sorta keep up with inflation. And BushCo has changed the overtime rules, disqualifying some people who were getting overtime before.

So, instead of thinking up goofy boycotts, be glad you are able to shop at all, and think up some good causes to funnel that extra money to.
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hollowdweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 10:36 AM
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33. So abortion and gay marriage is bad, but working on Sunday and Christmas
when people should be home working on "family values" is less of a priority for the Fundamentalists. If one good thing came out of this religious stuff I'd like it to be that more people had Sunday off and workers got more religious holidays off. As a pro labor democrat this would mesh with my values.
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Nobody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 12:14 PM
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38. Don't call tech support for that computer you're getting
The tech support people have to work on ALL the holidays and they don't get floaters to take the place of the holidays they have to work.

At one company I worked for, only the tech support reps in Idaho where the home office is located got paid holidays off. Everyone else was required to work them.

At my current job, I wish I could work today, but I get it off unpaid because I'm a permatemp*.

---footnote---
*permatemp: a temporary employee who has worked for the same company for over a year and still has no benefits
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buckettgirl Donating Member (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 02:55 PM
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48. AMEN TO THAT
It's ironic how many people will call in with computer questions/issues and expect tech support to be there on all the holidays. What would they do if we just weren't there because we were celebrating a holiday too?
I worked for Sykes (outsourced by Compaq for tech support) and had to work all the holidays. In fact, you weren't allowed to ask off on a holiday whether or not you had vacation coming. At least the pay was double time.
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Nobody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 03:29 PM
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50. Ugh!
At least we request the day off, but few of us got it. We only got paid regular time since it was regular hours on a day you would normally worked if it wasn't a holiday.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 12:16 PM
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39. I don't shop there anyway
I wonder if they are coercing anyone to work, or if people are volunteering.

Of course, the bushturd's enronomy is coercion enough. I'd do it for a little time-and-a-half.
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American Tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 12:18 PM
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40. Actually, I know lots of people who work Christmas day, entirely by choice
Edited on Fri Dec-24-04 12:25 PM by American Tragedy
I would be willing to do so as well, if I weren't unemployed.

I'd be grateful just to be able to get a job. I've been having a hell of a time. My last employer, the only one I've really had, won't even permit me to list her as a professional reference, due to an interesting conflict of interests. She had been trying to sue my father in an unrelated incident, she couldn't find a lawyer willing to take the case, so this is her way of getting even. It's hard to credibly explain something like that in an application.
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greyfox Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 12:18 PM
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41. While I PERSONALLY agree....
not everyone shares the Christmas we share...well, the meaning we share... so for them to work or not work is probably neither here nor there...

Just enjoy the season and be thankful they CAN work and have jobs in THIS administration's term...
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uncle ray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 12:19 PM
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42. but do you have a problem with them being open on sundays?
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OneTwentyoNine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 01:06 PM
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44. Open on Christmas day??
I can understand how they can pull that shit off though. Underpay for 364 days and then offer up double time on Christmas. To a Kmart worker making $5.25,$10.50 per hour would seem like winning the lottery.

If those were good paying jobs in a good economy most of those workers would put their foot down and say hell NO!! Their service isn't a necessity type of service like police,fire,doctors who actually get paid a living.
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Shrubhater Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 02:39 PM
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46. Mabye
those who work on Christmas don't celebrate it. Otherwise, that's just sick! (it took me a while to correctly spell mabye on this post.)
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buckettgirl Donating Member (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 02:51 PM
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47. HOW LAME
All the stores were open their regular hours and everyone had to work during Winter Solstice (December 21). Not to mention no one got holiday pay!

I guess if its not christian, it doesn't matter, huh?
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 02:57 PM
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49. Choose your Boycotts carefully for the best effect.....
...I'm tired, but...shop cruel-free and made in Amerika. That sends the best message to the corporate ho's. Think about it.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 03:58 PM
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51. Of all the unpardonable sins
:eyes:Old Man Scrooge is working at K-Mart:eyes: As for red companys vs blue companys it leaves one few places to shop
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xerenthar Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 04:42 PM
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52. As we know, we are FORCED to work at K-Mart.
Give me a fucking break.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 05:01 PM
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xerenthar Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 05:09 PM
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54. Get some education? Are you joking?
If the worker at K-Mart doesn't want to work on Christmas, he can quit and work somewhere else.

This isn't a society where your dream of what you want to be and work for can be shattered by someone saying "Street Sweeper" and that's your fate for life.
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xerenthar Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 05:13 PM
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56. Want to have a private debate?
Let me know...
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 05:16 PM
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58. honestly, I have neither the time nor the patience to "debate" with you
Edited on Fri Dec-24-04 05:19 PM by Skittles
I live in Texas and have my fill of bush-bootlicking ignorance. I come to DU to get away of such garbage and I resent it when I see it on the DU, one place I consider and island of sanity in the middle of a sea of insanity.

And now I am DONE.
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xerenthar Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 05:18 PM
Response to Reply #58
59. I'm not a Republican, I wouldn't vote Bush -- Debate me.
You offer no counter-points to my points, just "AAAAAAAAAAA" and "YOU ARE MISINFORMED" ... I don't lick Bush's boot, and is that all you can say? Ad hominem attacks are fine and dandy I guess, but if you're actually interested in a debate of ideas and politics instead of insults, let's go. If not, stop following me around.
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 05:29 PM
Response to Reply #54
62. Can quit and work somewhere else? In THIS job market?
Have you not been paying attention in the past few years?
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xerenthar Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 05:38 PM
Response to Reply #62
63. Minimum wage jobs?
They're everywhere. Any retailer, restaurant, fast food, whatever...
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 05:43 PM
Response to Reply #63
64. Where do you live? We have PHds working in Home Depot.
and we also have a high cost of living.
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xerenthar Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 05:44 PM
Response to Reply #64
65. I live in Peoria, IL and go to school in Chicago, IL.
I have zero problem finding a shitty job for the summer when I come home over the break.
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 05:48 PM
Response to Reply #65
68. Well bully for you. Tell that to towns all over the country
that have lost jobs with living wages, and they have to compete for jobs at Walmart.

You're juvenile hubris is showing...
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xerenthar Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 05:49 PM
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69. AIM me? ;)
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 05:51 PM
Response to Reply #69
70. No, you don't know how to have rational, reasoned debate
I'm off to Christmas Eve Dinner. Happy Holidays-enjoy your brief stay, and I hope you learn something while you're on DU. :hi:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 05:58 PM
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xerenthar Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 12:32 PM
Response to Reply #70
95. Aren't you willing to learn?
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 07:29 PM
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104. I can tell you have nothing to teach
you're in college, I have lots of life experience and a Masters in History. Normally I wouldn't be so patronizing, but the your posts don't show any depth of thought.

Merry Christmas! :hi:
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xerenthar Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 08:45 PM
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105. Then why are you so afraid of civil discussion/debate?
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 09:41 PM
Response to Reply #105
106. It's not a debate if one party is unarmed
and that party would be you. :-)

Bon voyage! :crazy:
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xerenthar Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 11:16 PM
Response to Reply #106
107. I don't think so...
You want to ad hominem your way out of getting trounced in a debate, so be it. You're the coward, not me. I'm willing to step up and debate, yet I'm unarmed? I don't think so...
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 08:53 PM
Response to Reply #63
80. "because unemployment rate is equal everywhere in the universe...
... and because i'm a petulant child and believe my perspective is the universal perspective, so therefore i'm right."

yeah, uh-huh, sure, *pats your head* yes dear child, you are right, your reality is the only one that exists. we are just 'not getting it' because we don't realize how simplistic the world really is. you already figured out the entire universe for everybody. mind writing a book for us so we can make our lives as perfect as yours?

:eyes:
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 09:34 PM
Response to Reply #54
82. Randroid alert!!!
This isn't a society where your dream of what you want to be and work for can be shattered by someone saying "Street Sweeper" and that's your fate for life.

For those of you blissfully ignorant of the so-called "literature" of Ayn Rand, the scenario given above is part of the horrible socialist altruist society depicted in Anthem. In other words, we've got a Randroid (they like to call themselves "Objectivists," but their "philosophy" is ever bit as subjective as anyone else's) amongst us -- in other words, a hard-right libertarian who worships at the altar of laissez-faire and touts selfishness as the highest morality. Jeff Walker has quite accurately tagged them as "America's most unusual cult."

:eyes:

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xerenthar Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 10:53 PM
Response to Reply #82
88. You don't like me :/
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American Tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 01:25 AM
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91. I can't fucking stand Ayn Rand books
I'm sorry, but I have yet to meet a Rand fan who wasn't a totally deluded asshole. That's to be expected, of course, when you're dealing with someone who self-servingly thinks that society is divided neatly into "parasites" & "producers". She doesn't enlighten anybody, she just reinforces their most base instincts.
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xerenthar Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 12:35 PM
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96. Are you calling me a deluded asshole?
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American Tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 02:21 PM
Response to Reply #96
98. I am referring to people who read Ayn Rand and embrace the ethical egoism
that she advocated, and that tends to be depicted in her books.

I should have been more specific.
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 05:16 PM
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57. I'm not upset by this...
what are the circumstances? Assume for a minute that working is voluntary and employees who work get time and a half.

People who are not Christian or just not religious might be happy to work on Dec. 25 and take some other day off instead. Why not?

No one should be forced to work on Christmas, but they should be able to if they want to, even if there is no special compensation. I'm certainly not going to dictate that someone HAS to spend a particular day with their family.

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xerenthar Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 05:20 PM
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60. I'd work 12/25.
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Cobalt Violet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 06:19 PM
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74. I was put on the schedule against my will.
I worked Thanksgiving with the understanding I would have Xmas off. Not enough people volunteered gor xmas and they drew names and I won. I'm not going in. And they forgot to pay me this week to boot. No I don't work at Kmart but not everyone who works holidays wants too or volunteered.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 09:38 PM
Response to Reply #60
83. No surprise there...
...Randroids are atheists, after all.

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xerenthar Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 10:51 PM
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87. Was that an insult? :/
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AlienGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 05:45 PM
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66. I'm working both days (at Walgreens)--it's a mitzvah
I'm working Christmas Eve and Christmas Day so that my Christian co-workers who have families can stay home with them.

I will be wearing my jade Star of David necklace, just to see how many oblivious people wish me Merry Christmas!

Tucker
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bush_is_wacko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 06:02 PM
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72. Yeah, I just LOVE thier new KKK Komercial!
Merry clic, clic, clic mas. And then KKK drops into the words click! That commercial is against ALL this country has done to promote racial unity for 50 years! Makes you kinda wonder!
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 01:32 AM
Response to Reply #72
92. Are you serious?
I saw that commercial a few times and I really didn't think of it that way. In fact, I was more incensed that it was red (reminded me of the red state crap).
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bush_is_wacko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 12:06 PM
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94. I'm quite serious!
That commercial is horrendous and very offensive for those of us who grew up in areas where the KKK was a strong force. Believe me they do believe theirs is the ONLY form of "Christianity" that is acceptable to God and their form of "religion" is the same from of "religion" Hitler used to gain power!
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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 07:41 AM
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113. Wow
I have not seen that commercial yet. It should be included in the next edition of the Southern Poverty Law Centers "Intelligence Report" Magazine.

Domestic terrorist groups are a legitimate threat to National Security. Bushwad should be doing something about this.
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motely36 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 06:09 PM
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73. This is the first year in many years that I'm not working
Christmas. I usually volunteer. I am Christian and I celebrate Christmas. But I don't have any family in the area, so rather than stay home and be bored, I choose to work.

But that's just me.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 06:36 PM
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75. K Mart sell Martha Stewart merchandise and she is a political prisoner
of the Bush Crime Syndicate!
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bush_is_wacko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 02:21 PM
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99. You give her way too much credit!
She is just a scapegoat and even scapegoats are guilty of what they are charged of. Sadly, her part in the guilt is quite minor compared to the people they didn't go after. To defeat corporate greed our justice system has to be willing to trace it to the very top. They just haven't connected the dots up the latter w/ regards to Martha. That doesn't mean the dots aren't there. KKKmart is NOT a business I will ever be willing to support. They have kept the little guy down for too long now. It's time to rise above them!
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onecitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 07:12 PM
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76. There are many who.........
want to work that day. As a nurse I have worked many more than I had off. Just the way the cards fell. Occasionally, a new nurse would whine about it but for the most part we tried to make our patients feel better. Some like the over-time. Some didn't have families and some just like to work on holidays.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 07:21 PM
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77. As long as it's voluntary, I don't mind them being open.
In fact, as someone who is doing NOTHING for Christmas, I might actually pay them a visit:)

My husband and I are planning to go to a movie, since no one will be here for Christmas, and I am not cooking:)

Maybe we'll check out the bargains at KMart too:)
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princehal Donating Member (341 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 07:46 PM
Response to Reply #77
78. Hope
That all the employees at the movie theatre are there by choice.

Seriously, I never minded working all day on Christmas. When I was a hotel front office manager, I always worked a double Christmas day -- let the staff have the time off.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 07:48 PM
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79. When I worked, we got triple time on paid holidays.. I worked them ALL
I never minded an 8 hr shift at $48.00 an hour :)

and about a month before the holiday, there was a sign up sheet, by shift-time so that people could sign up if they wanted.. There was always an "overflow" list of people who wanted to, but because of seniority, had been "bumped" off the work-list :)
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Heimdallr Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 09:09 PM
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81. That's it. I'm definitely shopping there tonight and tomorrow. Thanks!
It is bad enough there are law enforcement, health care workers and other important work that must go on.

Huh? That's bad that cops and paramedics are working on xmas? Yeah. Whatever.
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tryn2getit Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 10:06 PM
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86. I don't shop Kmart...
...because their store sucks. Shelves are always in disarray and/or empty. Nothing has a price on it, so you can't tell what the cost is before putting it in your basket. It could just be the one near me, but I can't stand going in there.

As for the workers, they may rely on those willing to work. We have a call center division where I work, and I was amazed they were open on Christmas eve. But talking to the forecaster, it seems they had no problem finding folks who wanted to work. She said they are mostly the folks who have no family in town, and who would just as soon work and have employees as company, rather than sit home alone.
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FDRrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 01:41 AM
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93. I'd love to work today....
My family is in Florida, and I'll be sitting around anyways. But I don't observe Christmas because, as an agnostic, I feel it would be hypocritical of me.

Oh yea, and my company pays triple-time when they have alot of work on holidays. :)
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Nobody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 01:12 PM
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97. Me too
I don't get paid holidays.
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 02:25 PM
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100. I'll shop wherever I damn well please
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jmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 02:46 PM
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101. This is the straw that broke the camel's back?
Of all the reasons not to shop at KMart this is just plain sick? The last time I stepped foot in a KMart I was carded for WD-40.

I guess I'm a Scrooge ruining the holidays for some poor souls since I went to CVS because I needed some hair gel and Mike's in the North End to pick up a pie for my family. This is actually the first year I remember where I didn't work Thanksgiving, Christmas Eve, or Christmas and won't be working New Year's Eve.
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Arkansas Gazette Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 03:35 PM
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102. K-Mart and Sears recently merged...
making the fourth-largest retailer, or something like that.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 04:37 PM
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103. Remember
Edited on Sat Dec-25-04 04:38 PM by fujiyama
Not everyone is Christian. I'd work for Christmas for time and a half myself. I can think of many that would.

As for the store itself, it's pretty shitty. It's not quite Wal Mart, but close.

But there's nothing wrong with being open on Christmas or any other Holiday. I really dislike these laws that prohibit being open on Sunday or selling alcohol on Sunday or whatever. As long as businesses treat their employees well and they are compensated adequetly, then I don't see a problem with it.

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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 11:21 PM
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108. Movie theater made my son work Christmas morning.
Anyone who won't work Christmas Day or Eve gets fired, because Christmas is the theater's busiest day of the year. Doesn't that violate the law, if you're Christian? I thought you couldn't be forced to work on a religious holiday.
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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 11:35 PM
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109. I'm an atheist, and I don't want to work on Christmas
I think non-essential businesses shouldn't force their employees to work on Christmas. To be open such hours pretty much ensures that someone, somewhere is forced to work. I worked in retail for shitty pay years ago, and I hated working on the holiday, even if I was paid time and a half. It isn't just a religious issue, like many here insist in this thread. For many, it is a time to be with family, and a celebration of family. I will not patronize businesses during holidays for that reason.
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SeveneightyWhoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 02:50 AM
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111. OMG, evil, evil K-Mart!
Edited on Sun Dec-26-04 02:51 AM by SeveneightyWhoa
Get real. I live in Canada, and pretty much EVERYTHING was open today (Christmas Day).
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