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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 11:31 AM
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Poll question: Is Andrew Greeley right?
http://www.suntimes.com/output/greeley/cst-edt-greel24.html

No peace on Earth during unjust war

One reads in the papers that the Pentagon expects the war in Iraq to continue till 2010. Donald Rumsfeld will not guarantee that it will be over by 2009. How many dead and maimed Americans by then? How many sad obituaries? How many full pages in the papers with pictures of all the casualties?

Why?

The reasons change: weapons of mass destruction, war on terror, freedom and democracy for the people of Iraq, American credibility. All are deceptions. This cockamamie and criminally immoral war was planned before the Sept. 11 attack in which Iraq was not involved. It has nothing to do with the war on terror. American-style freedom and democracy in Arab countries are hallucinations by men and women like Paul Wolfowitz and Condi Rice whose contribution to the war is writing long memos -- Republican intellectuals with pointy heads.

One must support the troops, I am told. I certainly support the troops the best way possible: Bring them home, get them out of a war for which the planning was inadequate, the training nonexistent, the goal obscure, and the equipment and especially the armor for their vehicles inferior. They are brave men and women who believe they are fighting to defend their country and have become sitting ducks for fanatics. Those who die are the victims of the big lie. They believe that they are fighting to prevent another terror attack on the United States. They are not the war criminals. The ''Vulcans,'' as the Bush foreign policy team calls itself, are the criminals, and they ought to face indictment as war criminals.

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Read the whole thing before voting please

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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 11:42 AM
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1. Catch this part --
An early Christmas present, and from an unexpected source.
Note: Some conservative Catholics -- Republicans, I assume -- are spreading the word on the Internet that I am an ''unfrocked'' (sic) priest. That is false witness. I am and have been for 50 years a priest in good standing of the Archdiocese of Chicago. Call (312) 751-8220 if you don't believe me. False witness is a grave sin and must be confessed before Christmas communion. Moreover, those who commit it are bound to restore the reputation of the one about whom they've lied.
The formatting is mine, not Father Andy's.

--p!
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DUgosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 12:05 PM
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2. Ah...... the Irish
Tis true tis himself that writes that way.
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MissBrooks Donating Member (614 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 01:14 AM
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4. Peace on Earth...
There has never been 100% Peace on Earth....
Somewhere, someone is fighting over something.

Sad, but true.
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 12:08 PM
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3. Fr. Greeley is a mensch....
....and anybody who starts generalizing about American Catholics, or 'the Catholic vote', or how 'Catholics are all Republicans because of abortion', and doesn't make use of his decades-long, enormous body of work out of the University of Chicago on the subject is blowing smoke up your ass.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 01:29 AM
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5. Greeley's a very good guy and right on the mark
Edited on Sun Dec-26-04 01:29 AM by barb162
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