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The Blue Flower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 06:05 PM
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Radiation in Iraq Equals 250,000 Nagasaki Bombs

Nichols: Radiation in Iraq Equals 250,000 Nagasaki Bombs

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Mar04/Nichols0327.htm

As a writer I do not have a set of words to describe what 142 degrees in the shade is like. I've seen 120 degrees in Phoenix and 110 degrees in the spa's sauna I use. One hundred forty-two degrees leaves me speechless. Try to imagine 142 D temperature while wearing a helmet, long sleeve shirt, long pants, a bullet proof vest, boots, and carrying a 70 pound pack.

By contrast the Inuit of Alaska and Canada are said to have thirty-seven words to precisely talk about different kinds of snow.

So, since the temperature is heating up in Iraq it seemed like a good time to float this story to different Internet sites and news publications. There was one story in 2003 of one 19 year old British soldier whose military job was to work in a British tank. In Iraq. In the summer. Word is, from London, that he forgot to drink enough water and he literally cooked in his tank.

But, this story is not about the temperature in Iraq. You can bet, though, the weather will be really important for those Americans unfortunate enough to still be in Iraq this summer.

This story is about American weapons built with Uranium components for the business end of things. Just about all American bullets, tank shells, missiles, dumb bombs, smart bombs, 500 and 2,000 pound bombs, cruise missiles, and anything else engineered to help our side in the war of us against them has Uranium in it. Lots of Uranium.

In the case of a cruise missile, as much as 800 pounds of the stuff. This article is about how much radioactive uranium our guys, representing us, the citizens of the United States, let fly in Iraq. Turns out they used about 4,000,000 pounds of the stuff, give or take, according to the Pentagon and the United Nations. That is a bunch.

Now, most people have no idea how much Four Million Pounds of anything is, much less of Uranium Oxide Dust (UOD), which this stuff turns into when it is shot or exploded. Suffice it to say it is about equal to 1,333 cars that weigh three thousand pounds apiece. That is a lot of cars; but, we can imagine what a parking lot with one thousand three hundred and thirty three cars is like. The point is: this was and is an industrial strength operation. It is still going on, too.

No sir-ee, putting Four Million Pounds of Radioactive Uranium Dust (RUD) on the ground in Iraq was a definitely "on-purpose" kind of thing. It was not "just an accident." We, the citizens of the United States, through our kids in the Army, did this on purpose.

When the uranium bullets, missiles, or bombs hit something or explode most of the radioactive uranium turns instantly into very, very small dust particles, too fine to even see (they call it: uranium oxide, that's the really bad stuff). When US troops or Iraqis breathe even a tiny amount into their lungs, as little as One Gram, it is the same as getting an X-Ray every hour for the rest of their shortened life.

The uranium cannot be removed, there is no treatment, there is no cure. The uranium will long outlast the veterans' and the Iraqis' bodies though; for, you see, it lasts virtually forever.

But, it gets worse. Seems an Admiral who is the former Chief of the Naval Staff of India wanted to know how much radiation this represented. He also wanted to express the amount in a figure that the world, especially the non-American world, could easily understand.

The Admiral decided to figure out how many Nagasaki Plutonium Bombs it would take to include the equivalent of the total amount of radiation deployed in Iraq in 2003 in the Four Million Pounds of uranium.

The Admiral also wanted to figure out how much radiation the United States Military Forces have deployed in the last Five American Wars, the so-called Five Nuclear Radiation Wars.

That is a simple enough task for somebody like the Naval Chief of Staff for a country that is a member of the Nuclear Club. Using the Nagasaki bomb for the measuring stick is a particularly gruesome twist, though. For those of you in the States who do not know it, United States Military Forces dropped two nuclear Bombs on Japan at the close of World War II. The rest of the world remembers that.

One Atom Bomb was dropped by Americans on the city of Hiroshima, the other bomb on the city of Nagasaki three days later. About 170,000 to 250,000 people were vaporized or incinerated immediately. It was a really big deal.

It is a measuring stick that plays very well in the rest of the world; but, not very well on American Fox News (Fair & Balanced)(c) channel or the rest of the Fox-like American media. The Department of Energy still lists the Hiroshima and Nagasaki detonations as "tests". The admiral released the data months ago at a scientific conference in India. This article is the first report of the data in the United States. It will first be released on the Internet.

The admiral in India calculated the amount of radiation in the Nagasaki bomb and compared it with the number in the 4,000,000 pounds of uranium left in Iraq from the 2003 war. Now, believe me, it is a lot more complex than that; but, that is essentially what the experts in India did.

How many Nagasaki Bombs equal the Radiation in the 2003 Iraq war? Answer: About 250,000 Nagasaki Bombs.

How many Nagasaki Bombs equal the Radiation in the last Five American Nuclear Radiation Wars? Answer: About 400,000 Nagasaki Bombs.

Who would do something like this?

We would. The only people in the history of the world to engage in Nuclear Wars are Americans, citizens of the United States. Allegedly, the Germans and Japanese of WWII also wanted to engage in nuclear wars, except the American Military beat them to the draw, so to speak.

Respected academic scholars could debate forever whether or not Herr Hitler, Fuhrer of Germany, would have deployed uranium munitions in the Sudetenland if the weapons had been available. Certainly the Germans knew just as much about uranium wars as we did at the time. It seems doubtful that Adolph Hitler would have ordered the use of uranium munitions there because the Sudetenland was so close to the Fatherland, Nazi Germany.

An American General named Leslie Groves was in charge of the bomb making operation called The Manhattan Project. In 1943 The War Department knew exactly what uranium bullets and bombs were good for.

If the nuclear weapons did not detonate in Japan, the use of uranium bullets and bombs were the fall back position. It was not till Ronald Reagan was President in 1980 did the re-named Defense Department resurrect the deadly radioactive uranium bullets, shells, bombs, and missiles. No wonder his popular nick-name was Ronnie Ray-Guns.

The American Military knew the symptoms of radiation poisoning in 1943 too; starting with the irritated sore throat through to an agonizing death from being cooked from the inside out.

President Bush promised to invade and attack many countries in the 2003 State of the Union speech. I believe the man. For some reason, some misguided Americans do not believe him, or think he was "exaggerating." The rest of the world has every reason to believe him and fear him, though.

Not to worry, Americans, the President has plenty of raw material for radioactive uranium munitions left. There are more than 77,000 Tons stored at the 103 nuclear waste plants and a stunning 1.5 billion pounds at the several Nuclear Weapons Labs and related facilities in the US.

Each nuke waste generating plant makes another 250 pounds of radioactive material a day for radioactive bullets, shells, bombs, and missiles. Not to put too fine a point on it; but, that is enough for 288 more gloriously successful campaigns like the 2003 Nuclear Radiation War in Iraq. Who's next?

Every year about this time the Southern winds leave a fine desert sand on the windshields of cars parked outside in Africa then Continental Europe and Britain. Soon this sand dust will carry a surprise. Thanks to the Americans. Thanks to us. We did this to the world. And, we wonder why they hate and despise us so.

These uranium weapons' indiscriminate killing effect gives a whole new meaning to the age old term: cannon fodder. In Iraq, what goes around, comes around. If not the uranium munitions themselves, the uranium dust will be in the bodies of our returning armed forces, time bombs slowly ticking away the lives of the gullible and the ignorant with their very own personal internal radiation source, the cannon fodder of the 21st Century American Nuclear Radiation Wars.

Put your ending to this article next.

A lot of people have done everything we can think of to stop these nuclear wars. Even more specifically to stop the use of uranium as a munition and shut down the nuclear power plants. We have tried and failed for years. Why don't you give it a try? Can't hurt anything! Write what steps you would take to turn this situation around. Contact me at: bobnichols@cox.net.

Bob Nichols writes in Oklahoma City and is the Editorial writer for DemoOkie.com. Bob Nichols is a contributing writer for LiberalSlant, Democratic Underground, OnlineJournal, AmericaHeldHostage, and other online dot com publications. Mr. Nichols is a frequent contributor to The Oklahoma Observer and other print publications. He lives and works in Oklahoma. He is a member of CASE -- Citizens' Action for Safe Energy, and President of the Carrie Dickerson Foundation. CASE has successfully killed two serious, well funded attempts to build Nuclear Power Plants in Oklahoma and several attempts to site what is now known as the "Yucca Mountain Reactor Dump" in Oklahoma. All these efforts to build nuclear facilities have failed. CASE won every time. Copyright 2004, Bob Nichols. All rights reserved. Permission for reposting is allowed provided the complete text and attribution are kept intact.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 06:16 PM
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1. I'm stunned, stupified, and otherwise speechless
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Royal Observer Donating Member (168 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 06:27 PM
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4. I was living in NYC
and in the 9th grade when the Atomic Bombs were exploded. People were very happy that the war was over. There were block parties every night for weeks.
Some say that the fire bombing of Tokyo caused more casualties than the Hiroshima bomb.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 06:14 AM
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35. The firebombing surely caused more casualties, but mostly for the burned
who survived, they were well when the scars healed unlike those exposed to radiation sickness. (I was about to enter the sixth grade and had not a clue as to what this was all about.)
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American Tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 02:45 PM
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40. That must have been incredible.
I would love to hear about what it was like for you back then, both during WWII and in the ensuing years. I've been studying and writing extensively about both the world wars and the Cold War, though I'm far too young to remember them.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 01:00 AM
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32. sounds like we solved our nuclear waste problem
who gets the medal of freedom for that decision :shrug:

peace
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 06:07 AM
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34. We've opened Pandora's box and can only hope that what goes around
doesn't come around.
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coreystone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 06:24 PM
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2. OK! Help me out on this....
I am not sure how the bullets are "loaded with uranium. Is loaded into the core of bullet, or ???? Are we talking about .223 caliber of an M-16, or a 60 mm machine gun, or what?

By the way a very interesting article.

Now! why does the military use the uranium in bullets, for example?? Is there an immediate "kill" power?

I other question from a novice, but, could someone help me these first?


:-)
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 06:29 PM
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5. 60mm on up i think
223 would be a waste of money. heavy caliber is just right for ripping thru concrete,steel, and flesh and bone...
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TO Kid Donating Member (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 07:04 PM
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12. It's heavy and cheap
Uranium is the densest naturally-occurring substance known to man and is ideal for armour-piercing projectiles. The reason is fairly simple- F=MA, so the greater the mass the greater the energy carried by the projectile. It is also used in large aircraft in the form of compact cunterweights on control surfaces.

Depleted uranium is cheap because it is essentially a recycled waste product. Most nuclear reactors cannot use natural uranium as fuel, so the uranium is enriched via processes that separate the fissionable isotope from the non-fissionable. The waste product is then referred to as "depleted" uranium because the useful isotope has been removed.

Depleted uranium is actually less radioactive than natural uranium. Any health or environmental problems associated with it are due to its chemical properties; from a radiological standpoint it is harmless.
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TO Kid Donating Member (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 07:10 PM
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14. It's so heavy it goes through almost anything
Se my other post- it is an easy way to increase the mass of a round, making it ideal for armour-piercing ordinance. It is NOT radioactive. There may be toxicity issues but that applies to all heavy metals.
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Silverhair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 08:40 PM
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24. Depleted Uranium is NOT used in almost everything. Here is why:
DU is uranium that is left over after the radioactive isotopes have removed to make nuclear stuff with. Contrary to popular belief, it has extremely low radioactivity. Half life is 4.5 billion years which means that it is extremely stable. Think of it in these terms:

You have a bucket of energy, and it has a hole in it. If half the energy leaks out in one day then you have a larger hole than if it takes one week for half to leak out. If it takes 4.5B years, your radioactive leak is so small that it almost doesn't exist. The rate at which the atoms of DU change into something else is ultra, ultra low. That type of radiation is emitted ONLY when an atom decays.

Uranium is very heavy, and very hard. Heavier than lead and harder than steel. That makes it an excellent kinetic energy penetrator to defeat enemy armor. A shell with DU in it's core, fired at high velocity will penetrate more armor than a solid steel shell. Also, a DU shell happens to have the quality that it is shelf sharpening as it goes through armor, which also increases the depth of armor that it will defeat.

It is NOT used in bombs or in cruise missiles. People who claim that it is are trying to scare the uninformed. If it were used in a bomb or missile, it would add weight to the unit, which would mean that explosive material would have to be removed. Since it is explosive material that does the damage, the military wants more bang and less casing.

DU is used in shells only where armor piercing is needed.

DU is also used as armor, because it is so hard. The M1A2 tank has DU in it for some of it's armor. They have been made that way for about 15 years. So the guys ride around in bathtubs made of DU.

You have natural radioactive material in your body. You have Carbon - 14. It has a half life of about 8,750 years. During that time half will decay into Carbon - 12. Each time one of those atoms of Carbon - 14 in your body decays, it emits a burst of radioactivity. Like a very, very tiny bomb going off in your body.

The dangerous stuff is the stuff that has half-lives in the order of hours. That stuff has radiant energy pouring out of it. That's the kind of stuff you get after a nuke goes off.

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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 11:26 PM
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27. Uranium is a very dense metal
Compressed into a bullet, or the head of a projectile, it is one of the most effective armor piercing wepons there is. That is the general and practical reason for its use. Upon impact, additionally, it apparently burns (hence, uranium oxide dust) at a very high temperature, rather than simply becoming shrapnel.
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momzno1 Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 06:27 PM
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3. so, is Iraq even inhabitable for the next 1000 years?
We have given a death sentence to every serviceman and Iraqi for the foreseeable future...
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 06:32 PM
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6. got that right
it may not be lethal for all but the medical effects will be passed from one generation to the next. we are responsible in creating Dante`s vision of hell
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 06:39 PM
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7. It's known by the WHO, that whole areas of southern Iraq
Are completely uninhabitable due to radiation.
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coreystone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 07:00 PM
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10. What is the WHO??? .... I know the rock 'n roll group, but ??? eom
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momzno1 Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 07:12 PM
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15. World Health Org. nt
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 07:13 PM
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17. WHO= World Health Organization.
Edited on Fri Dec-24-04 07:16 PM by JohnOneillsMemory
These fascists sure know how to put the shit in our sack of woe for a long long time.

They are like vampires who inflict the curse on all they sink their teeth into. Everything turns to misery, disease, and death in their hands.

We need a campaign to educate recruiters and kids in the fodder pipeline about what these fuckers do when they have their way.

You realize that cable TV is about to start up the Military Channel on January 10? Yup. The Recruiting Channel for bored teens 24/7.

We need to warn the next generation NOW.
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Sara Beverley Donating Member (989 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 12:16 AM
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30. It's our soldiers over there. And they support being there.
Talk about cutting off you nose so you can bleed on yourself! :shsrug:
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Massacure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 08:24 AM
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36. It's inhabitable right now. My chemistry teacher uses DU as a paper weight
I've looked at it, touched it, and I'm fine. They wouldn't allow it in high schools if it would kill you.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 06:47 PM
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8. I hope this story gets amplified.
Edited on Fri Dec-24-04 06:47 PM by Old and In the Way
I'm curious how the propoganda media - Limbaugh, O'Reilly, and Hannity will spin this.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 06:48 PM
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9. there's the WWII parallel
that the neocons are always straining themselves trying to reach.
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pa28 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 07:00 PM
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11. A lasting legacy for U.S. soldiers.
Edited on Fri Dec-24-04 07:04 PM by pa28
Once the illnesses begin I guess we'll see who really cares for the troops. To the government these are disposible people.
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TO Kid Donating Member (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 07:06 PM
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13. This is a crock
Depleted uranium is less radioactive than most naturally occurring substances.
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momzno1 Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 07:13 PM
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16. Oh? So I suppose all of the increased cancer rates
and sick children and sick vets after the first Gulf War are faking it.... Right!
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Massacure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 08:26 AM
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37. Probably from the chemical toxicity - not radioactivity.
The stuff is pretty easy to breathe in when it gets pulverized against steel armor.
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 11:30 PM
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28. and there is a large vested interest your continuing to believe so...
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Heimdallr Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 11:35 PM
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29. This is a crock. Don't expect the scientifically challenged to get it
Real numbers and ambient environmental conditions don't always flex to meet someone's agenda.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 12:58 AM
Response to Reply #13
31. r you do'n a fox personality impression
too funny :toast:

peace
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coreystone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 07:38 PM
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18. Has the WHO provided any officially released the study finalized...
in 2001?? It certainly seems to be a “hot” issue. Is there anyone who might give me some more informational links with credible sources?? Thanks - coreystone

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US Department of State
International Information Programs

07 October 2002
Fact Sheet on the Health Effects of Depleted Uranium

“Following is a Department of State fact sheet on the health effects of depleted uranium, based on U.S., U.N. and other investigative sources:
World Health Organization and other scientific research studies indicate Depleted Uranium poses no serious health risks.
>snip


http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=World+Health+Organization+++Iraq+++radiation&page=1&offset=0&result_url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26requestId%3Dfb189b9b461f5ecd%26clickedItemRank%3D6%26userQuery%3DWorld%2BHealth%2BOrganization%2B%2B%2BIraq%2B%2B%2Bradiation%26clickedItemURN%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.au.af.mil%252Fau%252Fawc%252Fawcgate%252Fstate%252F1007dufactsheet.htm%26invocationType%3D-%26fromPage%3DNSCPTop%26amp%3BampTest%3D1&remove_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.au.af.mil%2Fau%2Fawc%2Fawcgate%2Fstate%2F1007dufactsheet.htm

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Also, an interesting site here: http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=World+Health+Organization+++Iraq+++radiation&page=3&offset=0&result_url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26requestId%3D6fa69b02f33f5944%26clickedItemRank%3D24%26userQuery%3DWorld%2BHealth%2BOrganization%2B%2B%2BIraq%2B%2B%2Bradiation%26clickedItemURN%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.uwec.edu%252Fgrossmzc%252Fanderkel.html%26invocationType%3Dnext%26fromPage%3DNSCPNextPrev%26amp%3BampTest%3D1&remove_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.uwec.edu%2Fgrossmzc%2Fanderkel.html

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Is the Destruction of Hospitals and Public Health Records a
Coverup of "Depleted" Uranium Health Impacts in Iraq?

http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=World+Health+Organization+++Iraq+++radiation&page=2&offset=0&result_url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26requestId%3D6fa69b02f33f5f13%26clickedItemRank%3D16%26userQuery%3DWorld%2BHealth%2BOrganization%2B%2B%2BIraq%2B%2B%2Bradiation%26clickedItemURN%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.mindfully.org%252FNucs%252F2003%252FDU-Coverup-Health25apr03.htm%26invocationType%3Dprevious%26fromPage%3DNSCPNextPrev%26amp%3BampTest%3D1&remove_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mindfully.org%2FNucs%2F2003%2FDU-Coverup-Health25apr03.htm


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ISUGRADIA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 07:47 PM
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19. Maybe the weight of the uranium is equal to 250,000
nagasakis but that is a hell of a lot different than radiation. The radiation released from an atomic bomb blast is from the reaction, not just the uranium itself. If the radiation was 250,000 times as much everyone in Iraq would be friggin' dean NOW.
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SariesNightly Donating Member (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 07:57 PM
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21. DU is in the military's "POO TRAP" list
"Poo Trap" means it's an off limit topic for military personnel when dealing with pesky reporters and such.

I found a pretty comprehensive article here,

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/1112-01.htm

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BIRTH DEFECTS IN IRAQ

At the Saddam Teaching Hospital in Basra, Dr. Jawad Al-Ali, a British-trained oncologist, displays, in four gaily colored photo albums, what he says are actual snapshots of the nightmares.

The photos represent the surge in birth defects -- in 1989 there were 11 per 100,000 births; in 2001 there were 116 per 100,000 births -- that even before they heard about DU, had doctors in southern Iraq making comparisons to the birth defects that followed the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in WWII.

There were photos of infants born without brains, with their internal organs outside their bodies, without sexual organs, without spines, and the list of deformities went on and on. There also were photos of cancer patients.

Cancer has increased dramatically in southern Iraq. In 1988, 34 people died of cancer; in 1998, 450 died of cancer; in 2001 there were 603 cancer deaths.

On a tour of one ward of the hospital, doctors pointed out boys and girls who were suffering from leukemia. Most of the children die, the doctors said, because there are insufficient drugs available for their treatment.

There was one notable exception, a young boy whose family was able to buy the expensive drugs on the black market.

Al-Ali said it defies logic to absolve DU of blame when veterans of the Gulf War and of the fighting in the Balkans share common illnesses with children in southern Iraq.

"The cause of all of these cancers and deformities remains theoretical because we can't confirm the presence of uranium in tissue or urine with the equipment we have," said Al-Ali. "And because of the sanctions, we can't get the equipment we need."
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OTHER LINKS

# U.S. Department of Defense: www.defenselink.mil/

# The National Gulf War Resource Center, Inc.: www.ngwrc.org/Dulink/du_link.htm

# Uranium Medical Research Centre: www.umrc.net/



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coreystone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 08:05 PM
Response to Reply #21
22. Thanks! This one ....
isn't working: www.ngwrc.org/Dulink/du_link.htm

:-)

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SariesNightly Donating Member (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 09:43 PM
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26. That's strange..
It's not working for me too, but thank god for google's cacheing (sp?)

http://www.google.com.my/search?q=cache:MU7zj7_I5dgJ:www.ngwrc.org/+&hl=en&client=firefox-a

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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 08:06 PM
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23. Per DU rules:
Please limit excerpts of copyrighted material to 4 paragraphs, with a link to the article in full. Thank you for understanding.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 07:50 PM
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20. Per DU rules.
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vixengrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-04 09:38 PM
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25. Salting the ground so nothing there can grow,
and leaving not one brick standing on another brick. This is horrible. Just horrible.
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porkrind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 01:06 AM
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33. Here is a great article about DU at Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium

While DU is minimally radioactive (and its radioactivity figures are often cited by advocates of its use) its decay product - 234 Th - and its own daughter 234 Pa - are beta particle emitters with half-lives of several weeks (234 Pa decays to 234 U, with a half-life of hundreds of millennia; this isotope does not build to equilibrium concentration for a significant amount of time). When the two first isotopes in the decay chain reach their (tiny) equilibrium concentrations (over the months following manufacture), a DU fragment will emit 3 times the radiation due to DU itself, and most of this will be beta radiation - which can penetrate the skin or cause damage if ingested or inhaled.

These facts together may indicate that DU ammunition is actually quite a health problem and endangers the civilian population if left on the battlefield, as asserted in a 1997 report by Green EU parliamentarians - the European Committee on Radiation Risk (ECRR) - which found that DU posed serious health risks. However, other studies have shown that DU ammunition has no measurable detrimental health effects, either in the short or long term. Critics of these studies point to the fact that they come primarily from either "Green" groups who are opposed to anything vaguely nuclear, or the US and UK -- both supporters of DU.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 09:10 AM
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38. Never let the facts get in the way of a good story...
Holy sensationalized bullshit, Batman!

Sid
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 01:14 PM
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39. This, is of course, complete nonsense, but hey, it's Christmas.
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