Did Rumsfeld slip out some top secrets?

[ckramer]

"And I think all of us have a sense if we imagine the kind of world we would face if the people who bombed the mess hall in Mosul, or the people who did the bombing in Spain, or the people who attacked the United States in New York, shot down the plane over Pennsylvania and attacked the Pentagon, the people who cut off peoples' heads on television to intimidate, to frighten -- indeed the word "terrorized" is just that. Its purpose is to terrorize, to alter behavior, to make people be something other than that which they want to be."

CNN

Did you read that? The "plane over Pennsylvania" was shot down?

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

1. Oooo...

Looks like Rummy done dropped his tongue. They will now be working on a response, should anyone notice.

[SariesNightly]

5. Rummy's really stressed to let this slip..

So, like the Hollywood-esque Jesicca Lynch sham, a script about heroics onboard that plane was mashed together as a cover up?

Aside from the fact that shooting the plane may be indeed inevitable, what I wonder now is how much of the stories about terror here and in Iraq can we believe now?

What is spin and what is fact?

[Sara Beverley]

30. Nice catch. We DUers don't miss a thing, do we? We should become

the new media. Anybody out there have enough money to start a new newspaper and new "truth-in-news" cable show? We have all the talent right here. We could collect a nominal sum for what we uncover or analyze.

[alfredo]

39. We are the media DU has over 60,000 registered users,

and many lurkers. The words from here spreads to other sites and inboxes. We are the media.

[InvisibleBallots]

32. maybe Rumsfeld is sending a clear signal to Bush not to cut him loose

because he'll sing like a canary?

[bunny planet]

54. Oh yes, I've always suspected Rummy has the goods on His Fraudulency

otherwise he would have been gone a long time ago.

[reprobate]

35. Here's a simple test for the verity of what you hear.

If it comes from the bush administration, ITS A LIE.

[Warpy]

23. Save it now, because it'll be scrubbed by morning

The shoot down is one of their coverups. There's no way they're goign to allow CNN to keep that transcript up.

[clydefrand]

2. Should we point this out to CNN's topnotch reporters?

They need to listen a little bit more closely for slips like this and question their guests.

[Cha]

3. I was under the impression that it

"was shot down" already..I forget where I heard or read that..but I thought at the time that it was originally thought to have been crashed by the passengers storming the cockpit.

[Eric J in MN]

6. because the wreckage of the plane was spread out across miles

of Penn., many people believe that a US plane shot it down, but the govt. doesn't want us to know because it would add more sadness to an already sad event.

And second-guessing about whether shooting it down was the right decision at that moment.

Since the passengers were trying to take control, it would have been better to wait, but the pilot of the plane which shot it down (if any) didn't know that.

[madrchsod]

10. more to the point

---who ordered the plane to be shot down------it`s not about our suffering it`s about their suffering politically years after the fact.

[BrotherBuzz]

26. Well, we know it wasn't Bush*

Mr Pass the Buck hasn't taken responsibility for anything in his life.

[InvisibleBallots]

45. It was "hinted" on 9/12 that the PA plane had been shot down

If you read the news closely, they pretty much acknowledged it, but of course that was drowned out by all the disgusting whoring and shameless exploitation of the dead by the Corporate Media and the GOP.

[Old and In the Way]

4. So will the press ask him to clarify his remarks?

I've yet to hear Bush's clarification on what he meant when he said "I saw the 1st plane hit the WTC on TV." He said that twice in public.

[signmike]

7. I wonder if there IS a video of the first hit

being kept only in the hands of the perpetrators.

[DireStrike]

24. There is at least one video of it.

You can find it on p2p services. Just some guys with a camcorder that happened to catch it.

The first one. Not the second.

[Old and In the Way]

28. I wonder if it wasn't CCTV and he was too stupid to know the difference.

He couldn't have been confused, unless he forgot Card whisoered that the 2nd plane had hit. He could have seen crash pics of the WTC1....but he could not have seen it on TV.

He's either caught in another lie....or he really did see it on TV....in which case he should be arrested, prosecuted, and convicted of treason.

[s-cubed]

49. I'm confused: why could he not have seen it on TV. I remember

seeing the video of a plane hitting one of the buidings, but not which building, and which day? So why should he be arrested, prosecuted, and convicted of
treason?

[KlatooBNikto]

8. I think Barbara Olson shot it down and has eloped with Ted to Brazil.

[goclark]

37. Were Barbara and Ted getting a divorce?

I thought that I read that they were getting a divorce at the time of 911 or that he married someone else soon after 911.

[democrat in Tallahassee]

9. Terrorists shot down the plane? is that what he's saying? The

context doesn't make sense.

[TheDebbieDee]

15. I think our military shot the plane down. eom

[CatWoman]

11. This is NOT LBN

[clydefrand]

13. Why isn't it LBN since it's dated 12/24/04? Just asking?

Surprise Trip for Donald Rumsfeld; Interview With Brigadier General James Marks; Christian in Iraq

Aired December 24, 2004 - 12:00 ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

[CatWoman]

16. transcripts are not LBN sources.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x87249

[bin.dare]

19. This is LBN and it should be put back there ...

when the secretary of defence admits to something that has been denied for over 3 years and does it within the last 24 hours and monitors so say that is not LBN then what in cosmic dust's name constitutes LBN ?

BTW, when did CNN and NPR all of sudden become not reliable sources for LBN. Please explain yourselves monitors.

[CatWoman]

27. Hey, I'm just a member here

perhaps you should direct your inquiry/concern to the owner/admins of this site in the "Ask the Administrators" forum.

[clem_c_rock]

42. Er-I'm sorry, what's LBN?

I apologize for the question

[CatWoman]

46. Latest Breaking News

this thread was orignally posted in the wrong forum.

[clem_c_rock]

51. Oh lordy - I am a bit slow

I had to ask what LOL meant a while back...

[GetTheRightVote]

12. The corruption of this adminstration deepens as the days go by

more and more obvious they are behind so many tragic events of the past few years. Evil people at the top of our government, very scary people as well.

:grr:

[nonny]

14. Rummy said this on FoxNewsLive today

At least I "thought" I heard it.
He was speaking to the troops.
I tried looking for a transcript, but finally gave up.
It was on TV sometime after lunch today on FOX.
There were 2 people on camera behind him, and when he said that the plane over PA was shot down, they suddenly looked at each other ---- as if to check with the other to see if they had heard him right.
I thought it was incredible that he said that.

[karlrschneider]

17. There's another thread with a link to audio from NPR (I believe)...this on

one has been moved and I don't even know which forum I'm in right now, but I can look for it. Anyway, welcome to DU!
:toast:

[nonny]

21. Thanks!

Thank you karl for the welcome!
I will check out the NPR audio.:hi:

[BrklynLiberal]

40. Here it is

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2864377#

[PallasAthena]

29. I heard that quote on NPR today at around 3:10 pm (central)

they announced it as a "slip of the tongue" or some phrase indicating that idea..... said it will give "conspiracy theorists something to talk about." The announcer was Robert Siegel, I believe.

And this was NPR!!

[newyawker99]

47. Hi nonny!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[nonny]

50. Thanks!

Hi newyawker, thank you for the welcome.:hi:

[nonny]

18. Definitely shot down?

When I was looking for more info I found this link:

http://letsroll911.org/articles/flight93shotdown.html

Snip--

LetsRoll911.org has discovered that Fight 93 was definitely shot down.

LetsRoll has discovered the name of the pilot as well as all other pertinent information regarding this incident;

"At precisely 0938 hours, an alarm was sounded at Langely Air Force Base, and those whom were on call, drinking coffee, were scrambled. Thus the 119th Fighter Wing was off for an intercept.

They, the Happy Hooligans, a unit of 3 F-16 aircraft, were ordered to head toward Pennsylvania. At 0957 they spotted their target; After confirmation orders were received, A one Major Rick Gibney fired two sidewinder missiles at the aircraft and destroyed it in mid flight at precisely 0958;

He was awarded a medal from the Governor one year later for his heroic actions

--Snip--

Also found an interesting article out of Cleveland on Flight 93

[NecessaryOnslaught]

20. LETS ROLL DONNIE!

Too many years, too many lies you fucking scumbag.

[Must_B_Free]

22. How Eerie

Is as if he is saying the neocons are behind all of those things, with the stated purpose of getting people to be other than that which they wish to be.

[yardwork]

25. I think Americans were behind one of the beheading videos

The first one. It was brought here to DU the night it was released on the internet. Some of us watched it and thought it looked fake. Then it disappeared from the sites where it was originally posted.

A number of DUers analyzed the tape and noticed that the background and props looked identical to the background and props of photos taken in Abu Ghraib.

I think that Americans accidentally killed the man and then faked his beheading while dressed up as insurgents.

The purpose was accientally what Rumsfeld said - to spread terror. Spread terror among Americans and make us support the war.

[Ms. Clio]

34. I think so, too

Rumsfeld just demonstrates how these vile warmongers love to use them in their propaganda warfare. The neocons talk about the beheadings as if they were the absolutely worst thing in the whole world, and they are frequently echoed by the freepers who troll here.

Forget Abu Ghraib and the torture that has occurred elsewhere, forget destroying Fallujah, forget shooting fleeing civilians and blowing children to bits and dogs eating burned bodies--"what about the beheadings?"

[Ladyhawk]

38. I watched one of the beheadings and it didn't look real at all.

Of course, I had never seen a real beheading before, but there was almost no blood. It seems to me that being slowly beheaded would make you bleed heavily from the neck. But what do I know? It looked fake, though. :shrug:

[clem_c_rock]

41. I've seen many vids of these "beheadings" and there seems to be a pattern

Maybe some of you can verify this too.

You can view many of them here: http://www.ogrish.com/beheading_videos.html(sick site, I know.

The thing I noticed was when the victim was a caucasion, there was very little blood at all and no real struggling to speak of. When the victim was, I'm assuming arab, there was suddenly tons of blood and it was very real.

It seems to me that someone getting their head cut off would struggle violently.

Also, it seemed that all the beheadings would happen right when a smoke screen was needed most.

Just my take, watch the vids and tell me what you think.

[Blue Diadem]

31. 911 Commission report

Page 43-44

Snip:

At 10:39, the Vice President updated the Secretary on the air threat conference:

Vice President: There's been at least 3 instances here where we've had reports of aircraft approaching Washington-a couple were confirmed hijack. And, pursuant to the President's instructions I gave authorization for them to be taken out. Hello?

Sec.Def:Yes, I understand. Who did you give that direction to?

Vice President: It was passed from here through the center at the White House, from the .

SecDef:OK, let me ask the question here. Has that directive been transmitted to the aircraft?

Vice President: Yes it has.

Sec. Def: So we've got a couple of aircraft up there that have those instructions at this present time?

Vice President: That is correct. And it's my understanding they've already taken a couple of aircraft out.

Sec.Def. We can't confirm that. We're told that one aircraft is down but we do not have a pilot report that did it.



Several paragraphs later:

The Vice President was mistaken in his belief that the shootdown authorization had been passed to the pilots flying at NORAD's direction.





Quite frankly, IMO they didn't know WTF happened that day. If you haven't read the report, make sure you do. It gets very confusing, with who was ordered to fly, who could have shot down the plane, who had what orders and a time frame for each.

My opinion..they shot it down and it's just one more thing they aren't being truthful about.

[Ms. Clio]

33. The FBI thought it might have been shot down

It seems nothing ever came of their investigation, however--now why would that be?



Top Stories - Reuters - updated 4:17 PM ET Sep 13
Thursday September 13 11:35 AM ET
FBI Does Not Rule Out Shootdown of Penn. Airplane

SHANKSVILLE, Pa. (Reuters) - Federal investigators said on Thursday they could not rule out the possibility that a United Airlines jetliner that crashed in rural western Pennsylvania during this week's attacks on New York and Washington was shot down.

``We have not ruled out that,'' FBI (news - web sites) agent Bill Crowley told a news conference when asked about reports that a U.S. fighter jet may have fired on the hijacked Boeing 757. ``We haven't ruled out anything yet.''

The Defense Department on Tuesday vigorously denied reports suggesting the U.S. military could have downed the hijacked flight in an effort to prevent it from reaching a target, perhaps in Washington.

(snip)

Pennsylvania state police officials said on Thursday debris from the plane had been found up to 8 miles away in a residential community where local media have quoted residents as speaking of a second plane in the area and burning debris falling from the sky.


Newsday.com
FBI Probing Reports That F-16 Neared Pa. Hijack Plane
Six-mile debris field scrutinized
By Stephanie Saul
Staff Correspondent

September 13, 2001


SHANKSVILLE, PA. -- William Crowley, a Pittsburgh FBI agent among those directing the search operation on a hijacked airliner that crashed in Shanksville, Pa. here, said today the FBI is looking into reports from local residents that an F-16 fighter jet was seen in the area of the crash before the plane hit the ground.

“We’ve heard that and we’re looking into it,” Crowley said.

(snip)

On the day of the attacks, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said he had “absolutely no information” that a military plane shot down another plane, and White House press secretary Ari Fleischer said “I have not heard” any reports of a military action to down the plane.

At the news conference this morning, Crowley and Maj. Lyle Szupinka of the Pennsylvania State Police acknowledged that the debris field for the crashed jetliner is spread over a six-mile area and they urged local residents who have found debris in their yards to contact authorities.

As recently as yesterday, officials had said the debris was confined to a crater in an abandoned coal mine about 20 miles south of Johnstown. At the news conference today, they said wreckage had been found in the Indian Lakes residential area about six miles from the crash site

[idiosyncratic]

52. If the plane was shot down, have any military pilots died

suspiciously? Or have they suddenly come into lots of money under another identity.

How do they keep this a secret? How do we get someone to come forward with the truth of the "shootdown?"

[Ms. Clio]

53. All valid and excellent questions

I really wonder whatever happened to the FBI "investigation."

[BernieBear]

36. Rumsfield was the one who said "missle" at the Pentagon

in an interview right after 911. I just don't think he can keep his stories straight.....

[w4rma]

43. That definitely qualifies as a Freudian slip. (nt)

[Shopaholic]

44. Ah yes--and the MSM is sound asleep on this--

when they should be playing it over and over again and asking some really hard questions about wtf did happen to that plane in PA!

[Postman]

48. "terror" (i.e. an emotion) is the enemy, according to Dumsfeld?

did you read how he strung all those terrorist acts together without any historical background or cause for those seperate acts of terrorism?

Yes, Field Marshall Von Rumsfeld must continue to propagandize the troops because if the "front-line" defenders don't believe the BULLSHIT no one is left to fight their wars.

[bunny planet]

55. Is there video coverage of Rumsfeld saying this? It might be a useful

thing to make copies of.......just in case.