SURPRISE!!! Guess who might be thinking who the Anti-Christ might be.

[Nikepallas]

Okay, My hubby is into the Left-Behind series. He claims he doesn't go full force into the ideas that it is more to read. I won't go into the long talks he and I had (Talk is used VERY loosely their.)

Anyways he was on this Left-Behind message board and he told me that some people on the board have drawn parallels between the Anti-Christ in the book and Bush.

Food for thought?

[Kahuna]

1. Bush is an excellent contender to be the anti-Christ.

I can't think of anyone who more fits the description.

[tavalon]

18. how about Cheney or Rove?

[imax2268]

51. naaaa...

Bush is to stupid to be the Anti-Christ...

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

2. Those "Left Behind" folks...

Are a lot of the fundamentalist n00bZ. Very interesting if they are starting to draw those parrelels. That is a meme that would well go viral and spread, bigtime.

On the other hand, it would be nice if these people would actually read the Bible and absorb some things like the proscriptions against false prophets and the part about no man knowing the time, false signs. Things like that.

I guess that is a bit too much to ask, however...

[BrklynLiberal]

11. Bush being a false prophet is pretty easy to prove based

on the bible, compared to proving his being the antiChrist

[Quakerfriend]

3. At first I might think Bush

But, isn't it true that many are going to be fooled by the anti-christ and that he will have a great following.......doesn't seem that this applies to Bush.

[charlie]

9. Well, he *has* fooled a shitload of people

and the ardent loyalty of the hordes that back him is astounding. There's that bit about a mortal headwound, though... maybe whatever malady that's dimming his feeble wattage will cause his brain to slosh out his ears. Then doctors can pack his empty cranium with cat litter and the "miraculous recovery" part will be fulfilled.

[BrklynLiberal]

12. ROTFLMAO..Thanks for that great morning laugh!!!!!!

[charlie]

15. Hey, thanks

Wish I was foolin' though. What's beyond absurd today will be news tomorrow :)

[leftchick]

32. best post about *!!

in a very long time. Thanks.. :)

[reprehensor]

4. He's an excellent candidate.

Wait until he passes out the National ID Cards.

[Is It Fascism Yet]

5. this idea is new to you? of course he's the anti-christ! n/t

[SariesNightly]

6. While the Left Behind series..

.. freaks me out because there are those out there who REALLY believe they can usher on the rapture by invading the middle east, Bush as the beast is a concept that's been floating in the 'Internets' for a pretty long time,

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Now if you add up the numbers of his name, George Walker Bush, according to the table above you get 7+5+15+18+7+5 for George, +23+1+12+11+5+18 for Walker, and +2+21+19+8 for Bush, which all adds up to a total of 177 = 1+7+7 = 15 = 1+5 = 6. That's our first six..

Mr. Bush was born July 6, 1946. So if you add up all the digits in his date of birth you get 7+6+1+9+4+6 = 33 = 3+3 = 6. There - now we have our second six.

The antichrist's first step in his goal of attaining complete world domination for Satan, was achieved on that fateful day Bush was first elected governor of Texas - his first elected office - on November 8, 1994. Again, just by adding up the digits we get 1+1+8+1+9+9+4 = 33 = 3+3 = 6. The third six.

So there you have it folks - 666 - the number of the Beast - beyond any shadow of a doubt now.Still not convinced? The chances of something like this ever happening randomly is estimated at 1 in 100,000,000,000, over 16 times the total human population.
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http://mirrors.meepzorp.com/geocities.com/george-bush-antichrist/

[tavalon]

19. Nobody here is disputing one little thing

How about if this whole anti-Christ, Rapture thing is a load of hooey. I actually have a vested interest in it being just that. Let me explain - when I was 13 I went to live with my Southern Baptist grandparents, at 14 I went to the front of the church and "got saved". Now when you do that, you are "saved" no matter what you do in the future. I left the Baptist faith when I was 19 (that would be about 22 years ago). I look at these loonies these days and well, I don't wanna go on any Rapture with them but I may have an unrevokable contract here. So, hence my reason for the vested interest in this whole thing being a load of horse manure.

Work with me here folks....... ;)

[Horushawk]

21. The Beast and Anti Christ are two different people.

[Poiuyt]

7. The Pope thinks that Bush is the anti-Christ

http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen04222003.html

also, this should convince anyone:

http://mirrors.meepzorp.com/geocities.com/george-bush-antichrist/

[BrklynLiberal]

8. There are several websites devoted to that idea...

including this one

http://www.markswatson.com/bushac.htm

[greyfox]

10. Absolutely not...

The Shrub is not intelligent AT ALL... he is a Hitler-TYPE - hateful, warmongering, useless - but not smart... so he cannot be THE anti-Christ - a forerunner perhaps (ushering in the real anti-Christ), but never THE man --- too many HATE him...literally wish him DEAD... the anti-Christ will be heralded and loved and smart..cunning...
The Shrub would never qualify.

[Occulus]

22. You're joking, right?

I once knew someone who appeared to be very unintelligent; I went to high school with him. He dated my sister for a while.

He was very good at making people think he didn't understand, he had things backward, etc. He seemed to be an idiot to those who did not know him.

He was no idiot. He was very, very good at getting people to underestimate him, and then using their lack of attention to what he was doing to his own benefit. People were objects to be used until he had attained his goals.

Bush is nobody's fool, but there are a lot of people who are his fool. Bush is apparently (by all accounts) quite intelligent.... smart enough to know that the vast majority of Americans don't pay attention, really, and a lot of us (not here at DU, but in general) are as dumb as a box of rocks. Dumber, in fact.

He uses that. How many times have we heard about people saying Bush is the kind of man they'd like to have a beer with? That they're glad we finally have a President who isn't smarter than they are? Who, in fact, don't want a President that actually changes his mind as the situation changes?

Idiots all, and Bush knows it and uses it. That's why he's so popular to them- he caters to their lowest possible common denominator, and many people just eat that up.

Deception, deception, deception. Exactly what an antiChrist would be smart enough to do. And masses are falling for it.

[greyfox]

43. We shall agree...

to disagree. I believe him to be an idiot with Hitleresque visions of grandeur.

[firebee]

27. Hmmmm... you have pretty high standards for Satan

[greyfox]

44. Oh not at all...

satan IS intelligent... GOD created him so... and beautiful... that all will be drawn to him... my observation from study anyway...the Shrub is neither...(my opinion)

[foo_bar]

13. Revelation is barely part of the scriptural canon

It's the only book of the NT missing from Eastern Orthodox liturgy. It's Protestant only because it was Catholic first.

[DieboldMustDie]

46. I've always liked Thomas Jefferson's take on the Book of Revelation.

He called it "the ravings of a maniac." :evilgrin:

[rfkrfk]

14. we've been left behind?...so what...n/t

[gorbal]

16. So THAT is why they helped re-elect him

They want to get al that anti-christ business over with so that Jesus will come back. Aren't they all spiritual and shit?

Let's watch them all change their minds in 3 years...(the devil rules 7 years, no?)

[lonestarnot]

17. Has he ever had a mortal head wound and lived? Appears to be so.

[Shipwack]

20. This series lost a local business my money...

I live a couple hundred feet from a barbershop. I decided to support the local neighborhood and go there.

First sign of trouble... They had a "Jesus fish" on the barbershop sign. I get uneasy (I dislike people that wear their religion on their sleeve), but scold myself for being narrow minded and go on in.

I get a seat right away, and as the barber ties the bib around my neck I see it; the whole wall in front of me is dedicated to Bush 1 and 2, brother Jeb, and Reagan. Pictures, news clippings, photos from banquets, thank you notes for their donations and support. My stomach twists, but I'm already in the chair. Maybe I can distract myself with the video that just started.

The other idle workers and patrons seem to think its good... Then I see the missing people,vehicle crashes, and clothes on the floor... Noooooo! It's the first "Left Behind" video. I'm still in a charitable mood, so I decide to treat it as a fantasy or science fiction movie (I -really- needed this hair cut).

Then the last straw breaks.

On plane in the air, a stewardess walks through First Class to get to the pilot. She stops, and the camera pans, and you see that every... single... first class passenger... has vanished (because they were all pure enough to be taken into Heaven). AAAAAArgh! If these people are "bible literate" enough to "know" about the rapture, why don't they remember the part about "It's easier for a camel to go through the eye of the needle than for a rich man to get into heaven." (though that doesn't mean exactly what you think it means either). Almost all the poor schmucks in coach get left behind, but the rich yahoos in first class get saved? Not only is this poor theology, its subtle mind-washing! ::bangs head on desk::

Needless to say, they'll never get my business again.

How could a twisting and building up of a scrap of scripture dupe so many and become a multi million dollar business?

[Occulus]

23. Because people are stupid.

They will believe anything they are told provided they want it to be true, or are afraid it might be true.

My thanks to Terry Goodkind for pointing that out.

[flygal]

29. That's the Amway brainwashing technique too

The more material wealth - the closer to God. Now, I'm no religious scholar - but that does not sound "Godly" to me.

And I've had that problem with a few local business too - a local mechanic had Christian music playing and all sorts of religious crap out. And, come to find out he's a known swindler for women to buy into more work that doesn't need to be done.

[shanti]

49. omg

you just described my right wing christian aunt/uncle - the only ones in the family! they are quite well off, have their own business, used to do amway, and very materialistic. for xmas, they got a bigger, better 40 ft motorhome! i stay away from them....:eyes:

[CrispyQ]

30. I wish the damned rapture would happen & take these a-holes

off the planet! Too bad it's just a fairy tale.

[Clark2008]

24. I still contend that Bush isn't popular enough

throughout the world to be the anti-Christ.

The anti-Christ will be loved by all walks of life - and Bush doesn't fit that bill.

Bush is probably one of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, heralding and ushering in the climate in which it will be possible for an anti-Christ to take reign.

[lectrobyte]

25. Speaking of Left Behind, I was in a book store the other day, and I

saw a "Left Behind Kids" or somesuch. Wonder what that is doing to children?

[opihimoimoi]

26. FRom what I see of Bush, he don fool shit, Its the Whole Pub Apparatus

that succeeds in fooling the people.

[devinsgram]

28. I have known that since the first time I saw him.

A couple of days back there was a thread about the eerie feeling everyone got when we all first laid eyes on him. I have learned to always trust my gut feeling. It has never left me down. * is definetly the anti-Christ.

[Occulus]

37. Mine was a reaction, instinctive and primal,

that evoked total revulsion. Upon sight, no less. I didn't need to hear a word or scrutinize an action; my instincts did it for me, in an eyeblink.

Everything I felt in that moment told me * was and is a very dangerous man without an ounce of compassion for anyone but people like himself. Moreover, that particular figure is incredibly small, compared to the rest of the world.

My first reaction was one I might get were I to see evil incarnate. More and more, I'm feeling that's exactly what I saw when I first laid eyes upon him.

[jellybelly]

31. can't help it but...

I would pick terrorists first, Bin Laden is the anti-christ, before I would say Bush. I don't know why but I hate Bin Laden and Hitler more than I hate Bush. This doesn't make me a repug, I think...x(

[bush_is_wacko]

33. My interpretation of the Bible, trying to read between the lines is

that there will be many Anti-Christ's, but THE Anti-Christ will be revealed in no uncertain terms, eventually. As for the credibility of all the passages in the Bible. I'm just not sure we can really get the true meaning from what has been a propaganda tool for so long. There are too many missing witnesses, for me, to believe the interpretation the church left us with is accurate. Women witnesses were completely left out of the Bible. I believe this was quite deliberate, since previous to that time women had very large rolls in religion.

[graywarrior]

34. I'm no NLP expert, but I believe Bush has been taught the technique

He uses his speech impediment to confuse the brains of his sheep and then plants subliminal messages. Awake hypnosis is very powerful when the subject wants to believe what he/she is hearing or is incapable of intellectually making their own decisions.

[Killarney]

35. Biblically, the anti-christ has to come from Europe.

So, I'm thinking more along the lines of Ahhhnold. ;)

[graywarrior]

36. Blair?

[Khephra]

39. I've wondered if Bush was conceived while his parents were in

Europe.

I know Babs reminds me of a jackal....

[leftofthedial]

38. the Pope agrees with them

I hear

religious insanity is great, isn't it?

I can't think of a single President in my lifetime who wasn't thought by someone to be the Antichrist.

Difference now is that the "president" is one of them.

[murray hill farm]

40. The anti christ is not a person

though there will be many false profits to preach the cause of the antichrist..and many will follow...the subversion of the teachings of christ is in itself the movement of the antichrist...and it is done in the name of christianity. The interpretation of the bible and the teachings of christ...as literal interpretation..is easily twisted to match up to the cause...and then followed literally by the masses of folks who have been tricked into believing the teachings of the antichrist teachers...and it is moving along nicely. the rapture idea...and its really silly interpretation..as a literal occurrence is also a movement of the antichrist teaching. The rapture..in reality...is a occurrence of a lightening of being within humanity...and some will be there and some will not achieve this lightening of being..and will be left behind. this will not occur in a flash..as is interpreted by the antichrist movement...but rather will be an evaluational and long range occurrence. Those in humanity who have been able to move toward this lighter or more spiritual orientated sense of being will survive in the changing earth experience of being...those who have clung to the outside or material orientation..of material and power over the material...will not survive in the coming times..these are the folks who will be left behind...it is really more of a survival of the fittest scenario for the changes that will occur on earth in the next 100 or so years.

[prodigal_green]

47. you make rapture sound like

the eastern notion of attaining nirvana. I like that.

[ThoughtCriminal]

41. Would the Anti-Christ do ANYTHING differently?

Let's say the A-C stepped in and replaced the current administration. Can anyone think of ONE policy that might be substantially changed?

[Nikepallas]

42. I see a lot of talk about the bible so let me throw this in. When I was

in college I took a class that looked at the bible from a not only literature piece but historical time table too. Now From what I remember all of the bible books were in fact oral tradition and especially with revelation it was full of dream imagery. (I am not trying to disrespect anyone just trying to remember an idea a professor placed out in the class room.)

Also I remember reading that the first Christians believed Jesus would return to them like within the first 50 years of his Ascension up to heaven.


A lot of the imagery of Revelation seems to have A lot of Reverence to the Roman Empire and if you look at the time it was the biggest most impressive and frightening empire to that date.

(I bring this up because Hubby and I were talking about it. And he mentioned that The bear is the symbol of Russia. BUT I remember the Bear being an important symbol in the Roman Empire too.)

[BeHereNow]

45. Here is the SHOW stopper for your husband and the LB board

When Bush played dress up and announced
"Mission Accomplished" from the ship off shore of San Diego
he ended his speech with an mangled excerpt from Isaiah 61.
Now why is this significant?
Because that verse appears later in Luke 4.
Jesus is addressing the Church in Nazareth,
he unrolls the scroll from Isaiah to reveal to the
people that He is the one spoken of in the prophecy
of Isaiah 61, the Messiah.
Now have your husband go and read Revelation 13...
The LB crowd will go ballistic on this if they are already
contemplating the AC connection.
However, in my humble opinion, Bush is not THE
beast, but the first as spoken of in Rev 13.

BHN

[shanti]

48. when i went to jamaica

in november, i had a jamaican tell me the same thing....it seems like an idea that's getting some steam, and not just here.

[Dem2theMax]

50. I've been calling * Nicolae Carpathia for just about two years now.

So glad to know I was ahead of the pack on that one. LOL?

For anyone who hasn't read the Left Behind books, Carpathia is the anti-Christ in the book. I read the first book out of curiosity. It was all I could take.

I don't know a lot about this anti-Christ thing. I just know it drove the repukes nuts when I said * was Carpathia. ;)