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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 08:31 PM
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An Eyewitness Account of Fallujah / cameraman from Lebanese Broadcasting
An Eyewitness Account of Fallujah

published December 16, 2004
The Ester Republic
© 2004 by Dahr Jamail

http://esterrepublic.com/Archives/djamail9.html

Dec. 4, 2004, Baghdad

(snip)

“I entered Fallujah near the Julan Quarter, which is near the General Hospital,” he said during an interview in Baghdad, “There were American snipers on top of the hospital shooting everyone.”

(snip)

“The dead were buried in gardens because people couldn’t leave their homes. There were so many people wounded, and with no medical supplies, people died from their wounds. Everyone in the street was a target for the Americans; even I saw so many civilians shot by them.”

He looked out the window, taking several deep breaths. By then, he said, most families had already run out of food. Families were sneaking through nearby houses to scavenge for food. Water and electricity had long since been cut.

The military called over loudspeakers for families to surrender and come out of their houses, but Burhan said everyone was too afraid to leave their homes, so soldiers began blasting open the gates to houses and conducting searches.

“Americans did not have interpreters with them, so they entered houses and killed people because they didn’t speak English! They entered the house where I was with 26 people, and shot people because they didn’t obey their orders, even just because the people couldn’t understand a word of English. Ninety-five percent of the people killed in the houses that I saw were killed because they couldn’t speak English.”

His eyes were tearing up, so he lit another cigarette and continued talking.

“Soldiers thought the people were rejecting their orders, so they shot them. But the people just couldn’t understand them!”

(snip)

http://www.dahrjamailiraq.com/hard_news/archives/hard_news/000160.php#more

:MAD:
:MAD:

DAMN THE PEOPLE FOR THIS WAR TO HELL!!!
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 08:39 PM
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1. And this will be all over the Middle East, how Americans shot and
killed innocent Iraqis.

We have created a mess that nothing will ever get us out of. (Sorry about the prepositional phrase at the end of that sentence.)

Iraqis and Middle Easterners will sing songs about killing Americans for a thousand years, as they're figuring out ways to kill us here in our own country.
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signmike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 09:00 PM
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5. Excuse me for the preposition I end this sentence with.
;-)
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 09:44 PM
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10. This has been going on
for almost 2 years now. "The chick got in the way."
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Sara Beverley Donating Member (989 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 08:47 PM
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2. And for the soldier who comes home to tell this same story he will be
charged as "unfit for duty?" And a "swiftankers for truth" group will be formed to make certain that he doesn't win the Presidency.
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gumby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 08:50 PM
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3. How can any Real American
stand to have these atrocities committed in their names?

Shock-and-Awe, world-wide torture prisons, massacre of thousands and thousands of innocent civilians.

Horrific beyond words.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 10:32 PM
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14. "Real Americans'" beautiful minds are being manipulated and,...
,...sheltered from "reality",...because,...their "leaders" would lose control over the masses if they knew the truth,...and those "leaders" KNOW the truth must be concealed,...

,...those "leaders" will be loathed in human history for their heresy against democracy and their spike into human potential.
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omulcol Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 12:36 AM
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16. And we should always be reminded of the use of
Napalm bombs,

and the removal of dead & dying Iraqi's organs for re-sale .

This invasion has nothing to do with our freedom - or Iraqi's - and their organs don't reduce the cost of this invasion either.

Quote:
Saudi Government Daily Accuses U.S. Army of Harvesting Organs of Iraqis

MEMRI – December 24, 2004
In the Saudi government daily Al-Watan, an article from Brussels written by Fakhriya Ahmad charges that, based on alleged secret European military reports, the U.S. military in Iraq is harvesting and selling human organs. The following day, the story was also published in the Iranian daily Jomhouri-ye Islami, <1> as well as the Syrian daily Teshreen. <2> The following are excerpts from the article: <3>

"Secret European military intelligence reports indicate the transformation of the American humanitarian mission in Iraq into a profitable trade in the American markets through the practice of American physicians extracting human organs from the dead and wounded, before they are put to death, for sale to medical centers in America. A secret team of American physicians follow the troops during their attacks on Iraqi armed men to ensure quick operations for extracting some organs and transferring them to private operations rooms before they are transferred to America for sale.
More at ;

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=2619



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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 01:51 AM
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19. What's your point in posting this? You want us to believe the US
is stealing organs from the Iraqi casualties? How absurd.
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omulcol Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 02:04 PM
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21. Of course ...
The information is available and apparently verifiable .

The US denied it was using napalm until someone pointed out it was not that which was used in Vietnam, but a new, more lethal type ... given a new name.

British soldiers have reported bodies with organs removed, and told by their commanding officers to, " Forget " what they have witnessed.

The point of the post, and link, was purely to make those interested aware that such practices are taking place.

Making a quick search on the internet will reveal information of chronic donor / organ shortages in America, United Kingdom, and elsewhere in the world. I doubt recipients or surgeons are too bothered where they come from - but I personally find it indecent that organs could be removed from dying and / or dead individuals who were forced into a state of military occupation.

Those organs are in all probability being sold on for considerably more money than that for which they were obtained - and thats a disgusting state of affairs we all seem to be indoctrinated into believing is fair trade. The victim's families could at least be asked permission for the organs, and suitably compensated .... if only for the loss of life.
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 08:52 PM
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4. The eyewitness accounts are more disturbing than the photos
The photos of the dead show a moment frozen in time -- horrific as that moment is. But for me reading the eyewitness accounts of the genocide -- is similar to reading accounts of US Troopers murdering Indians -- not that long ago.

The photos of the dead remind me of the stack of dead Indians from Wounded Knee. Also the complete disconnect by US troops that they are murdering human beings -- is so similar to historical eye witness accounts I've read.

The US troops who murdered Indians were racist -- their reports are filled with racist comments -- which was accepted in that era. The majority of whites didn't consider Indians to even be human.

Shooting people because they don't understand commands screamed in English (probably Southern English and who the hell can understand a thick Southern American accent anyway?? Sorry you all from the South who are kind and gentle souls -- but you must admit that a whole lot of soldiers do sound southern -- and they pick up that accent even if they are from the north.)

What has happened here is that a whole lot of soldiers have lost their humanity and they are going to be so god damned fucked up when they do try to re-enter "civilized" society.

Meanwhile the bushies are having a fabulous time -- just fabulous.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 09:10 PM
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 09:34 PM
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8. Give me five good reasons with verifiable links why we SHOULDN'T
believe this.

Do you think the media is liberal and anti-Bush?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 09:44 PM
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Porcupine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 10:16 PM
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12. WMD's, Iraqi=911, Torture, Vote Fraud-U.S. Lies stack up....
and make any news of U.S. malfeascance plausible.

Or in simple terms. The acused have a proven and admitted history of Lies, deception, fraud, torture and the murder of innocents.

America, the baby killing people.
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Razorback_Democrat Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 10:42 PM
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15. Stop Digging has a point!
Let me be the devil's advocate

put the low number of his posts aside, and any suspicions you might have,

If this story is completely true then our marines are committing war crimes on a mass scale.

If it is half true, then there are a lot of questions that need to be answered

If it is partially true, then it would be like any war, where the fog of war, the insanity of war take over.

I'm skeptical of the "all of them" being shot here too.

Why so quick to believe the worst about Americans in the military?

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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 12:57 AM
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17. "Why so quick to believe the worst about Americans in the military?"
history.

recent history, in that very region, that very country.

we are torturing CHILDREN in front of their MOTHERS :argh:

peace
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pa28 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 09:22 PM
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7. Lebanese broadcasting.
Amazing how far we need to go to get the story. The U.S. media is getting more worthless by the day.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 09:46 PM
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 10:21 PM
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13. Let's put it this way...
It's MUCh better than ours and jives with all the other reports and photos we've gotten from foreign sources, mostly European.

Dahr Jamail is one of the few unembedded reporters over there. What he is reporting is totally consistent with what everyone except the US embedded reporters are regurgitating.

I've seen the photos. They don't lie. Keep checking this forum, new ones are posted from time to time and they're always more disgusting, heart-breaking than the last batch.

===

About Dahr Jamail: I was born and raised in Houston, Texas, and attended college at Texas A&M University where I majored in Speech Communications. After graduating, I moved to Colorado, then Utah, then Washington state, where I worked for awhile on a masters in English literature. Funds ran out, so I took a job working in an air-monitoring laboratory on Johnston Island, a U.S. territory in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. We monitored the air at a chemical demilitarization plant that incinerated 6% of the chemical weapons (now obsolete) of the military.

While there, I traveled around the world on my breaks from the monotonous job. The perspective and experiences I gained from my travels opened my mind and heart to the world – seeing the unearned and unfair privilege we in the U.S. had struck me whilst traveling to so many developing countries like Indonesia and Palau, then later Nepal.

(snip)

One of the largest influences on me was a job I took in the climbing off-season, which was working as a personal assistant for my dear friend Duane French, who experiences quadriplegia. I saw the efforts he went to just to exist, and how government policy directly affected his life. Here I was awakened politically. Our daily discussions of policy and political parties got my wheels turning, pulling me out of the classic American comfort zone of apathy and ignorance.


(snip)

Then, of course, watching the stealing of the presidency in 2000 by the Bush regime shocked me further into action, followed by the military response to 9/11, then of course the selling of the Iraq invasion. During the media sell job, I could take no more and knew that this was an information war. I had done some freelance writing for various magazines and continued this by writing in our alternative weekly rag in Anchorage.

(snip)

http://www.antiwar.com/news/?articleid=4095
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 01:03 AM
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18. I re-read this thread and am weeping for my country.
Edited on Thu Dec-30-04 01:05 AM by Tinoire
Bpilgrim, I love you, but I don't think you could have kicked a worse thread to the top for me to see tonight.

What a terrible catastrophe we have placed wrought.

:hug:
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 01:53 AM
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20. Bush has turned our children into cold-blooded killers.
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