What the Republicans were saying when Clinton attacked Bin Laden

[InvisibleBallots]

I am damned sick and tired of history being rewritten right in front of my eyes. Search Free Republic around the years 1997-1999 and then read the crap the GOP says now. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

From FreeRepublic, on 8/28/1998 -

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a530320.htm

Topic: White Water

Wag The Dog ! Wag the Dog! We are bombing Afganhistan


8/20

Last time it was Iraq, Now we are bombing Afghanistan and Sudan to deflect attention from Clinton's troubles

To: Wil H
He set the whole damn thing up when he went to Africa. They blow up our embassies on command and Clinton gets to divert our attention away from his perverted crap. We need an investigation!
From: go star go (emailname) *
08/20/98 14:01:27 EDT

To: All
Please pray for our pilots and sailors and that this does not escacalate. This is so sad. Afgahnistan ought to be our ally.
From: Arthur Wildfire! March ([e-mail]) *
08/20/98 14:01:42 EDT

To: Wil H
No, Bill, it was supposed to be ALBANIA, not AFGHANISTAN you were supposed to bomb, don't you remember? You didn't read the script very well!
From: ziva ([e-mail]) *
08/20/98 14:06:52 EDT

To: Wil H
Low-risk targets with very little chance of retaliation or casualties for US personnel-how coincidental!! He's banking on a "rally-around-the-flag" (and the president) response from the sheeple. Will it work?? Maybe for a short time! Sooner or later, they'll run out of low-risk targets.
From: seeker (emailname) *
08/20/98 14:07:15 EDT

To: Wil H
It's a sad day for America. THE POTUS IS A SOCIOPATHIC SCUMBAG.
From: Clinton's a liar ([e-mail]) *
08/20/98 14:08:16 EDT

To: Arthur Wildfire! March
NO ARTHUR THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING!!!PLEASE ,I CAN'T BELIEVE THE EVIL ONE HAS DONE THIS -OF COURSE ALL MY PRAYERS ARE WITH OUR FORCES-WE ARE NOT READY FOR RELA- IATION-WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TROOPS TO STAY ALERT EVERYWHERE !!I KNOW THAT DEVIL HAS DONE THIS TO TAKE THE FOCUS OFF MONICA-THEY ARE ALREADY COMPARING THIS ACT TO RONALD REAGAN BOMBING LYBIA-THIS COWARD MAY CAUSE A WAR JUST TO TAKE THE FOCUS OFF OF HIMSELF-MAY GOD HELP OUR COUNTRY AND PROTECT US-WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WHEN THE TERRORISTS BOMBED AND KILLED OUR SERVICEMAN IN SAUDI- THEY ARE SAYING NOW THAT THIS IS NOT AN RESPONSE TO ANY ONE ACT BUT JUST A GENERAL STRIKE ON KNOWN TERRORIST!! UNBELIEVABLE-HE'S DONE IT -I HOPE HARRY THOMASON IS HAPPY IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO WORK-TRULY SCARED AND 'DISGUSTED'
From: disgusted inFl ([e-mail]) *
08/20/98 14:14:25 EDT

To: donna
This brash act by a brash child-man is a direct threat to the security of every citizen inside our own borders for the people against whom he acted are non-forgiving and have no fear of death.

And, make no mistake, they are here!!!!!!

By the time the helicopter gets back to D.C. we may well be witness to a reprise of 1814.
From: Old Professer (emailname) *
08/20/98 14:17:50 EDT

To: william clark
I'm all for killing terrorists, but when they first made the "National Security announcement" announcement, the first thing I thought was, "Monica's testifying today. I wonder who he's going to kill to distract us from that?"

That's pretty sad.
From: Scott Munro ([e-mail]) *
08/20/98 14:18:40 EDT

To: seeker
FOX News has already joined in the obvious spin. They questioned whether the President should be bothered with such things as the current scandal during a "national emergency." They even cited the "Founding Fathers" of all things! We've been saying he's going to Wag the Dog, and that's what he's doing.

The General on right now said that these attacks are not a reaction to any specific events (like the African Embassy bombings) but an effort to protect the world and U.S. interests from this terrorist network. He said that this terrorist network as attempted to assassinate the president of Egypt and even the Pope. And recently, 3 months ago, he reiterated his "Fatwah" against the U.S.

The General just said that it should NOT be viewed simply as retaliation for recent events. It is an act of self defense.

Yeah, the Clinton self defense....


From: Spiff ([e-mail]) *
08/20/98 14:19:04 EDT

To: donna
"Clinton made his remarks before cutting short a family vacation on Martha's Vineyard to return to Washington."
Hillary probably kicked him out. Afganistan said this morning they would extradite the guy they wanted if the U.S. had any proof. Instead kliton put Americans lives at stake to show force and pretend he has leadership capabilities. He's certified nuts.
From: 1Old Pro (([e-mail])) *
08/20/98 14:20:36 EDT

To: Arthur Wildfire! March
You heard it right - Sudan as well. We may have the entire Muslim/Arab world after us, but at least we can rest assured that "he did it for the children." I guarantee we'll hear that soon.
From: watchin ([e-mail]) *
08/20/98 14:21:47 EDT

To: Wil H
Stop being so cynical. This operation was planned long ago, like Monday night right after the first polls came back!
From: Henchster ([e-mail]) *
08/20/98 14:22:19 EDT

To: Wil H
SEE!!!! YOU DUMB A** LIBERALS. NOW HE IS PLACING YOUR PRECIOUS CHILDREN IN HARMS WAY TO SAVE HIS OWN BUTT. HIS GOING TO KILL YOUR CHILDREN. PLEASE GOD HELP US!!!! I AM THE STUPID1 ----- please excuse me for yelling, but now I'm really scared of the lenghts this man is willing to go. I'm a 28 year old man with a beautiful family, may hands are shaking. nothing follows
From: stupid1 () *
08/20/98 14:24:40 EDT

To: disgusted inFl
Get this SOB out of there!!!! What do we have to do???? The demoncrats have to do something NOW!!!!!
From: smiley ([e-mail]) *
08/20/98 14:24:43 EDT

To: Henchster
Cohen was asked about "Wag the Dog". He says yada yada yada. But then again wasn't he the one that lied about knowing about Linda Tripp's privacy violations over at the Pentagon?

This is getting really scary. We now have the U.S. military being used for political purposes in much the same way that Clinton wanted the Secret Service to be his private guard.
From: go star go (emailname) *
08/20/98 14:26:45 EDT

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. No War for Monica!

And who the hell is Osama bin Laden, anyhow? I remember this very well. They were all over the Wag the Dog thing. I got into an argument with a freeper at work about this the other day. He flatly denied (a) that Clinton had ever made a really serious effort to get rid of bin Laden, and (b) that anybody ever accused him shelling Afghanistan on account of Monica. Fell down the memory hole, he did.

[InvisibleBallots]

5. look how the react when the simple facts are given to them

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a533384.htm



To: EyesWideOpen
We still need to go back farther with the timeline to get the real plan.

When was the subpoena from Starr prepared and then presented to Slick?(then negotiated into a voluntary apearance on the 17th.)

That may have well been the trigger for the embassy bombings. Anybody know that date (actual date Starr served subpoena at WH)?
From: NDCORUP ([e-mail]) *
08/20/98 23:14:43 EDT
To: NDCORUP
The subpoena was served 10 days prior to the Capital shootings. It was the night of the shootings that the WH quietly let word out of the reciept. They kept it quiet for 10 days.
From: chuck allen (emailname) *
08/20/98 23:21:29 EDT
To: chuck allen
Best determination of date I can make is about 20 July . So it would look like this---

20 July-- Subpoena served (approx.)

28 July---Subpoena acknowledged by Twinkle Toes aka Rahm Emanuela (approx.)

28 July---Capitol Shootings(approx.)

7 Aug.---Embassies Bombed

17 Aug.---Testimony Lies

20 Aug.---Cruise Attack

This whole thing was scripted, but it wasn't by Thomason. Sorry about the approx. dates, maybe somebody has better info.

Like I've said before, Einstein had an opinion on co-incidences.
From: NDCORUP ([e-mail]) *
08/20/98 23:55:05 EDT

This is a scene from the movie 'Wag The Dog' which was in the can weeks if not months before Monica's black beret was introduced to the world ... Do you suppose Hollywood had some inside info on Monica that found it's way into the 'Wag'/ beret rope line scene?
From: Phil V. ([e-mail]) *
08/21/98 00:19:08 EDT
To: NDCORUP
I will be keeping an eye out for the "credible evidence" that intelligence knew about bin Laden being involved in the african embassy bombings. Today, it was mentioned that it is very possible that intelligence could have intercepted communication between bin Laden and his cronies that implicated them directly and unequivocally to the bombing, perhaps by wire tap. There is a problem with that. If they could intercept communication after the bombing, certainly they could have intercepted it before the bombing. Wasn't there multiple warnings this was going to happen, including from Israel? The real question is if intelligence knew about this plan beforehand and told Clinton, and he did nothing.
From: EyesWideOpen () *
08/21/98 00:20:13 EDT
To: Phil V.
I know you, and I, and other freepers, didn't just fall off the turnip truck last night. I don't believe in UFO's but this whole thing is Hollywoodish.

ps. can you bring up The Omen pic? please.
From: chuck allen (emailname) *
08/21/98 00:24:49 EDT
To: EyesWideOpen

So glad you posted this timeline. Seems to clear Clinton, doesn't it? So rational. So neat. Absolutely nothing to do with the unpleasantness in Washington.

Question, Eyes Wide Open: How many coincidences, how many lies, does this man plan to push off on us? Do you believe him, and if so, why?

From: redman () *
08/21/98 00:28:37 EDT

To: EyesWideOpen
—11 a.m. EDT. The mission commences halfway around the world and targets are struck about 1:30 p.m. EDT. Clinton speeds in a bronze sport utility van to a school in Edgartown, Mass., to inform reporters. After a brief statement, he makes calls to congressional leaders.

Is this true? He told reporters before notifying congress?!?!? In the real world shouldn't it be the other way around!!??
From: jellybean () *
08/21/98 01:05:39 EDT

[journalist3072]

2. Republican hypocrisy

It always amazes me that when Clinton was in office, he was accused of wagging the dog, and acting too aggresively against terrorism.

Now, they say he did nothing, and was responsible for 9/11.

I was almost sick to my stomach when George Pataki got up there during the Republican Convention and said "How I wish the previous administration had moved to protect us, but they didn't."

WTF?

[LuCifer]

20. Using "freeper logic" (a TRUE oxymoron!)...

...Bush Sr. is responsible for the 1993 WTC bombing! Funny how the republiKKKans don't seem to like that concept! TURNABOUT IS FAIR PLAY!
If you dish it out but can't take it, tough crap!

Lu Cifer, wasn't there an Al Qaida attack in 1992? Gee, who was president THEN? I could swear it wasn't Big Dawg!

[Forever Free]

3. Fuckin LIARS and HYPOCRITES

Every last one of them. Do they have no shame? :puke: :mad:

[cire4]

4. THIS NEEDS TO BE KEPT AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE

For all lurking Freepers to finally see how amazingly hypocritical they are.

[InvisibleBallots]

8. Check out what their priorities were when we were being attacked

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/t980820208.htm

MONICA TELLS JURY: HE CARESSED MY BREASTS AND TOUCHED MY GENITALS

* The Drudge Report
8/20/98 Matt Drudge
Nothing follows.
Web Posted: 09/20/98 22:02:57 EDT Posted by: Taylor




Look - Freepers complaining about civilian causalties!

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a533168.htm

To: Ariel
No sir, it is not off topic. We wail and moan about all those land mines the poor people of this country have to deal with and show the terrible pictures of the citizens that are maimed by such devices, then we turn around and lob in 100 missles to do damage to whoever happens to be around at the time.
Complete nonsense to this whole operation is underscored with your insight, it reinforces what many of us here have been saying all along "Wag the Dog"!

Big brave fighting men of the military wagging a war against a "stone age" country. Proud to serve, yes indeed. Not
From: po'boy () *
08/21/98 01:06:31 EDT

[ebayfool]

26. Bump! Nominated for front page - make it easy for freeps to find! n/t

[IHeart1993]

6. Kick

:kick:

[jeff30997]

7. HIS GOING TO KILL YOUR CHILDREN.

Exactly what Chimpy is doing.And with the draft it will be a massacre.

[imax2268]

9. they are all

idiots...wait...they are FUCKING IDIOT'S...!

[journalist3072]

10. Clinton Fought Terrorism

Richard Clarke, on the March 28 edition of Late Edition:

"If you look, beginning in 1996, in his last four years in office, President Clinton gave about 40 speeches where he mentioned terrorism, five speeches that were devoted just to terrorism. He did a lot, but, frankly, if you look at the media play on those speeches, the media didn't pick up those speeches. When he made a speech on terrorism, it wasn't on the front page, it wasn't on CNN."

[Blue_In_AK]

11. Good God.................

:mad:

[Straight Shooter]

12. "We now have the U.S. military being used for political purposes ..."

Well, go star go, it's okay for Little Boots to use the military for political purposes, because at least he goes all the way with it and makes sure they're maimed, killed, traumatized beyond repair, and also to the tune of FIVE BILLION DOLLARS a month, down the toilet.

Jeepers, creepers, nothing worse than freepers.

[journalist3072]

13. Wag the Dog

I made the following contribution on Demopedia regarding wag the dog.

Please see the page I contributed:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/demopedia/index.php/Wag_the_dog

[BrklynLiberal]

14. kick .......... just for the hell of it

[zydeco]

15. Thank you for this post.

I will be using it in discussions with the self righteous hypocrites I keep trying to wake up.

[robbedvoter]

16. Had Kerry been allowed to take the office he was elected for

the same turnabout would have occured by January. Suddenly, the RNC+ its media would have turned anti-war and crucified Kerry for being in Iraq (remember, Clinton was in Mogadishu because Poppy left him that stinky turd after he lost - but no one mentioned it)

[Disturbed]

18. Rethugs have no equals...

when it comes to hyprocisy. Have they no shame? No. None. How do they sleep at night? Soundly, with no nightmares. Sociopaths are not botherd by ethics or morals since they have none and care not to have any.

[zbdent]

17. What's really interesting is looking to see what GOPers put down

for posterity in the Congressional Record.

Any time Clinton did something, the Repukes really had to make sure their opposition was heard.

Like Bob Dole, in his 1994 wrapup, gloating about how he and the Repukes helped Clinton pass NAFTA despite the objections of Democrats (not kidding!). And how not one single Republican voted for the Clinton tax plan which, by their estimations, would send this country into an irreversible depression.

And the repugnants who decided that they would voice their opposition to any single US military person setting foot in Haiti to restore Democracy. There were calls that Clinton was sending our troops into a bloodbath. Six months after Democracy was restored without a single shot fired, one soldier was killed in a drive-by shooting at a toll both - and one of the same Repukes wanted to pull the troops because of the "terrible and unnecessary loss of an American's life".

Keep that in your copy.

Also, Freeptardrepublic was chortling with glee about how the economy was going psycho because Gore was still fighting for the presidency. As soon as Bush was announced as the winner by secret back room deal, the economy really started to tank. And the freepers changed their tactic to try to blame it on Clinton, despite the fact that the recession started under W.

[Obviousman]

19. LOL

"Afghanistan ought to be our ally" The Christian Taliban would sure love that.

[The_Casual_Observer]

21. Appears that the rw essentially promoted terrorism in their

blind hatred of Clinton. The fools were fooled into believing that the correct course was to impeach Clinton at all costs. Meanwhile UBL was running amok with Clinton's hands tied by these bastards. No wonder the shifted so fucking far toward the neons when they realized they had been had.

[Tsiyu]

22. I've been remembering this since September 11th

Suddenly the name Osama Bin Laden took on an old twist.

How do these hypocrites LIVE with themselves?

They were too busy worrying about Clinton's weewee to care about National Security.

Repukes are fools. Sorry, but this proves it.

[Hippo_Tron]

23. You JUST noticed this?

I dug up similar freeper comments about a year ago. The GOP hypocriscy is HILLARIOUS.

[magellan]

24. Good find

It occurs that if the Freepers could think for themselves they wouldn't be so dangerous.

Freeper-whine: This is getting really scary. We now have the U.S. military being used for political purposes in much the same way that Clinton wanted the Secret Service to be his private guard.

Retards.

[firebee]

25. Hypacritical slimebags...

Hmmmmm.... again freepers... Why did Bill bomb Afghanistan??? Oh, that's right.... Because their were f#<%!n TERRORISTS THERE!!! Why are we bombing Iraq??? insert the obvious reason here.

[Swamp Rat]

27. Kick

:kick: for all the lurking freepers too chicken-shit to go fight in Iraq. Cowards and hypocrites!

[TOhioLiberal]

28. Check this out:

Earlier this year, I found an interesting site. I googled wag the dog and Clinton and got this site: http://www.conservativeusa.org/wagdog.htm.

It is a virtual treasure trove of GOP hypocrisy. Observe:

<snip>
CLINTON AND CONGRESS HAVE COMPROMISED U.S. DEFENSE ARSENAL MAKING WAR AGAINST A REGIME FAR LESS THREATENING THAN CHINA, RUSSIA, CUBA, OR KOREA

Joe Farah points out in his Between the Lines (12/18/98) that "As president, Bill Clinton has...squandered $5.5 billion in U.S. taxpayer dollars on containing the Iraqi threat — and that's before the costly Desert Fox operation launched Wednesday. On Wednesday alone, some 200 cruise missiles were fired by the Navy at Iraqi targets. Each one of those high-tech bombs cost about $1 million. that's $200 million right there, just on ordnance, in one day...."

<snip>
OMG! He squandered 5.5 billion????? And just how much has Georgie squandered?

<snip>
IN A REPUBLIC, WAR IS A LAST RESORT

"‘War, indeed, is, in its mildest form, so dreadful a calamity; it destroys so many lives, wastes so much property, and introduces so much moral desolation; that nothing but the strongest state of necessity can justify, or excuse it. In a republican government, it should never be resorted to, except as a last expedient to vindicate its rights; for military power and military ambition have but too often fatally triumphed over the liberties of the people.’..."

<snip>

IMPEACH BUSH NOW!

[InvisibleBallots]

31. 10 Reasons to Not Invade Iraq - by Cons in 1998

http://www.conservativeusa.org/iraq-war.htm

Excerpted from Howard Phillips Issues and Strategy Bulletin of February 15, 1998

There are at least ten reasons why America should not now make war on Iraq, even if it were certain that such an effort would be "successful":

1) President William J. Clinton lacks the moral authority to function properly as Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces of the United States.

2) Let's not change the subject. The Number One business of the nation at this time should be the removal from office of William J. Clinton.

3) It is unconstitutional for America to go to war without a Congressional declaration of war.

4) Given the present set of facts, there is no Constitutional predicate on the basis of which Congress has the authority to initiate war, even with a declaration of war.

5) Wars of defense are morally appropriate. Foreign wars for purposes other than national defense are not.

6) In war, there is no substitute for victory. Victory, as commonly understood, with respect to an assault on Iraq, has not been defined, let alone declared to be the objective of any such attack.

7) The Federal government's ability to provide for the common defense (of the United States) is substantially diminished in consequence of resources expended during President Bush's "Operation Desert Storm". Not only have America's arsenal and battle-ready personnel resources not been fully restored, they have, in fact, been radically depleted since Desert Storm, in consequence of massive reductions in Congressionally authorized spending for the defense of the United States (even as expenditures for U.N. intervention operations and other "social policy objective" activities have risen). Defense analyst Peter Schweizer, now at the Hoover Institution, who favors air strikes, nonetheless observes that "hanks to military cutbacks, we don't have anything close to the force that won Desert Storm. In 1991, the U.S. Air Force had 24 fighter wings to draw from. Today it only has 13. That means fewer planes and (even more importantly) pilots. Desert Storm was fought with two Marine divisions, seven active Army divisions, and combat brigades of two additional divisions. Now, that commitment alone would exhaust all of the Army's 10 active divisions." (Source: USA Today, 2/18/98, p. 15A)

8) The strategic position of the United States in the world may be diminished, rather than enhanced, by an attack on Iraq. Many regimes friendly to the United States will be placed at severe risk if they are seen to assist, or even favor, the U.S. attack.

9) If we "succeed", what have we gained? If we don't begin a war, what have we lost?

10) War has consequences which are often unintended and almost always beyond comprehensive anticipation. If we and our "allies" join to attack Iraq, Iraq and its allies may combine to attack us in ways which cannot be fully foreseen. How many planes will crash? How many water supplies will be polluted? How many nuclear weapons will be detonated? How many civilian targets will be made subject to terrorist assault? Will chemical weapons be deployed?

The fundamental issue is whether Bill Clinton's military action against Iraq is important enough to die for. I am prepared to die in defense of God, family, and country---but I don't believe that this preemptive strike against Iraq is worth dying for. Ask yourself: is it worth your life, or that of your spouse, your child, your parent, or your neighbor?

[Sara Beverley]

29. This is great. I hope you posted it to CNN,FOX,MSNBC and Freep board

:hi:

[Deja Q]

30. FILTHY TWO-FACED HYPOCRITE ANIMALS.

Which is sad, as Clinton was, by far, the best republican president America has ever had. (6 reasons alone prove he was ultimately repube-friendly, sorry. NAFTA, DOMA, DMCA, Welfare act, telecom act, J Elders, Monica, I could go on but must I have to? All of the aforemention acts are ones that only repubes would love.)

[American Tragedy]

32. Hey, you lurking freepers and Right Wing News reading this right now

I dare you all to try to explain this on your respective websites, you backward hypocritical reactionary fucks!

[InvisibleBallots]

33. they all know it perfectly well

they don't care

[American Tragedy]

34. Understood.

I am referring to our friends of the opposing ideological persuasion who read our posts every day, and carefully select the pinkest or most inflammatory threads to highlight on their own site.