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Is It Fascism Yet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 05:07 AM
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Poll question: how many people believe election fraud occurred?
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Gothmog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 02:07 PM
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1. I believe that there was fraud
I firmly believe that there was fraud in this last election. However, there is no proof other than the exit polls and some circumstantial statistical evidence. We need more to over turn the election results. Unless someone from Diebold comes forward or there is another break, we will not be able to prove fraud. The hunt for proof must continue and eventually the truth will come out.
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LSdemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 02:12 PM
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2. Unfortunately I just don't know.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 02:18 PM
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3. There was fraud and not just in "poor" districts
My mother had to wait four and one-half hours to vote in a heavily Democratic district in the middle of a red county in Ohio. There was one functional voting machine for over 1,000 registered voters. Some of them waited in line for more than ten hours.

My sister, registered to vote in a nearby heavily Republican town, sailed into her polling place where there were a half-dozen machines for 183 registered voters and no line. She was there long enough to witness an African American man being turned away.

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Spidy Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 02:29 PM
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4. Let's move.

Hey I am ready and willing to help everyone start moving to the Ukraine.


Spidy
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 02:51 PM
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5. There is NO PROOF it was a fair election.
What evidence exists indicates vote fraud on a massive scale, from disenfranchised voters in urban districts to computerized tabulations run by GOP-affiliates.

What Kissinger said about Chile applies in the USA:

"I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist due to the irresponsibility of its people. The issues are much too important for the Chilean voters to be left to decide for themselves."

The greasy turd of the BFEE said this just before the CIA overthrow of the democratically elected government of socialist President Salvadore Allende in 1973. Thousands died in the name of capitalism, including pregnant women thrown from helicopters into the Pacific Ocean.

Do you doubt that the BFEE doesn't feel the same way about America?
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Is It Fascism Yet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 10:47 PM
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6. thanks for all your very astute and well considered answers n/t
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Is It Fascism Yet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 11:23 PM
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7. my son in Maine
Edited on Tue Dec-28-04 11:42 PM by Is It Fascism Yet
my 34 year old son in Maine suddenly had an emergency hospital admission on Nov 1, with an acute surgical abdomen. They hooked him up with IV pain meds and antibiotics, and said they had to wait a couple of days for the infection to clear before surgery. He started asking right away for an absentee ballot, because, he knew how important this election was. He sent his wife to the elections office to ask for an absentee ballot or a provisional ballot for him. She went, she asked, but she did not conquer. They told her it was too late to get an absentee or a provisional ballot. My son spoke to his nurses, telling them it was urgent that he vote. The nurses said nothing could be done. He re-iterated that he was determined to cast his vote. He demanded to see the hospital social worker. She was called for, but by then it was late, they drugged him to sleep for the night, and the social worker took until the next morning to show up...election day! When the social worker finally did show up, she came intending to pacify him and force him to accept that he was sick and he was just going to have to miss voting this time because there was nothing to be done to remedy the situation. He called me on the phone and said he was afraid to sign out AMA, because he'd have to come back for his surgery, and then his insurance company would screw him over, potentially protesting it wasn't emergent because he had signed out AMA. The kids are always struggling to make ends meet, in this lousy Shrub Economy, and they just bought their first house, so, he dared not sign out AMA. He decided to sneak out. He pulled out his IV, his wife helped dress him, they swiped a wheel chair, meandered casually down the hall, and snuck out of the hospital without signing out AMA. They left the wheel chair in the hospital parking lot, rolled him into a car, and reported to their precinct, where they waited in line. At least he said the line wasn't too long, only 30 min or so, but still, why was it that he couldn't get an emergency provisional ballot in the hospital after an emergency admission? You know what else I worry about, what about old folks? I am getting older, and I wonder, what if you get tired of housekeeping and go into an assisted living situation...nobody campaigns to you, nobody expects you to vote anymore? I really don't think these people vote anymore. Why not? There is an old folks home near me, and I photographed the place to make brochures for the owner, so, I have been there a few times. When I was visiting the old folks home, I wondered if these elderly had been given any campaign information for Kerry, or anybody else, or if they cared. I was tempted to talk politics with them a little. But then, I worried someone might think I was taking advantage of the elderly or think I was pressuring them, or simply making out the absentee ballot for them without their knowledge, so, I didn't visit the old folks home when I campaigned for Kerry. Also, I didn't campaign to the elderly because while some of them are sharp as tacks, some of them have marshmallow for brains, they are gone, gone, gone beyond. Does somebody at some point decide that you are no longer capable of voting? Or, maybe, so long as you are aware there is an election going on and think to request a ballot, can you still get one even if you are 95? Some elderly are still capable of decision making, even if their physical form is sagging a bit. Hey, my hubby is a emergency medical care provider, and last year he lost a lovely woman, she had been his patient for the last few years. She was 105 1/2 years old! But, I swear this woman had every brain cell she was born with. I'd see her when I was out shopping, and she always recognised me instantly, even though we were only casually aquainted...she could recall the last time we met, and what we said, in converstation she never seemed to forget. She was still sharp as a tack but probably nobody assisted her in obtaining or casting a ballot in the last 35 years of her life. Now I witnessed what happens to your right to vote if you fall ill and have a medical emergency, but I am still wondering what happens to your right to vote as you become elderly?
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