The Left is not enough of a thorn in the side of the Right

[ck4829]

That, I believe is our true problem. We go out against the RW, and we're accused of being Un-American, Stupid, or some other name. Some of us stop and try to get out of politics. Believe me, I tried to leave.

But, I remembered what I've always wanted to do ever since I read "The Secrets of the Free Congress Foundation", and that was to fight the RW.

We need Liberal Think Tanks.

We need to stop the spread of lies coming from Fox News, Sinclair Broadcasting, and other groups in the 'liberal' media.

We need to put a stop to groups that are friendly to the RW and count our votes too. (Like Diebold)

We need to irritate the RW.

We need to tell the truth about the RW, you may not know it, but the Republican Party is more corrupt than even the lies and false rumors of 'corruption' that are about the Democratic Party.

We need to remind the Democratic Party that they need us most of all.

We can't move our views to the Right, in fact I believe we need to move them more left.

We need to lose our fear. We shouldn't care about losing, if people only knew the truth about the RW, no person in their right mind would ever vote for a Republican again.

[gizmo1979]

1. Tell me how to

be thornier and I'am there man.Just let me know.

[damntexdem]

2. I don't want to be a thorn in their sides.

I want to be a tree falling on them.

[yellowdogintexas]

14. I'm kind of interested in being part of the avalanche that takes

them OUT.

[Mist]

3. I think Progressives should be as infuriating

as RW's were for the eight years of the Clinton presidency.

[ck4829]

4. Exactly

The problem is that, for example, I once listed that we should do some of the same things the RW did against Clinton, and another DU'er came after me for that.

[InvisibleBallots]

5. we are

We, the grassroots, are the black kettle to the black pot of Freepers. I'm sure I'll get trashed for saying it, but whatever, it's true.

Our Democratic "leaders" however, don't usually say much of anything, unlike the GOP leaders who never stopped attacking Clinton. That's because half of our "leaders" are working for the other side (in my paranoid opinion).

If we want to turn into the Hate-Christians-and-Conservatives clan, we're well on our way to becoming one - not a winning party mind you.

"Each thing evokes its opposite."

[CatholicEdHead]

17. You are right

Go far enough left or right and you end up in the same spot if you think of it as a circle. Far left communists and far right facists are not that much different in many ways.

Most people in the country are moderate. Most side with us on some, them on others.

Self-correcting the Democratic party rightward tilt is what is needed but not a far shift to the left.

There are enough "liberal" outlets out there now that their can be a semi-consitent message put out, similar to Rove's talking points/echo chamber.

The media attacks our DIFFERENCES, we need to focus on overall SIMILARITIES. Yes, stick to our guns, but not be GOP-lite. We need to define ourselves and not let others define it for us.

[Royal Observer]

6. We need to win

just win baby, win.

[fishingriver]

7. Oppose RW or Die

We are losing because our democrat leaders are afraid to oppose them. Consequently, the American electorate sees the RW as strong and the Dems as weak. Whether we like it or not, the appearance of strength influences people.
The Dems need to scream bloody murder from the floor and stop worrying about GOP retribution. They need to warn the American people about the GOP agenda...what it means to their future...their jobs...their families. They need to seize every opportunity to get the word to the media and be so outrageous in their viciousness that the media will air it for the entertainment content if nothing else. THEN......when the GOP passes a bill that directly impacts Americans they will rememeber who warned them. The Dems will be known as the champions of the middle class. They need to ask for everything they want and speak out against the GOP as if the RW intended on roasting the middle class alive. They need simple one line spins that people can remember when they discuss politics at the coffee pot. No lengthy fact filled explanations will work. If they don't do this right now by 2008 we will be choosing between conservative or centrist republicans. That is what the GOP is aiming for. They want to become the choices and they will do it if the Dems don't fight for their lives right now. If the Dems did this, we wouldn't have to worry about who we were going to run in 2008 because they would reveal themselves in the process. It would be apparent.

[yellowdogintexas]

15. Remember Moyers' last show: the firestorm of antiKerry propaganda

that was just everywhere the last 48 hours of the campaign?

All the trash was started by the R's.

Our side keeps thinking we can't stoop as low as the R's.

Rovethink, with the preemptive strike, the manipulation of the opponent's strengths to turn them into weaknesses, the twisting of a definition and data to make it into something it isn't.

Lack of response to all this crap was key.

[intheflow]

8. Been saying this right along,

even back in the Clinton years when I could see the party moving right.

And I comiserate with you about the trying to leave politics. Politics won't let me leave. So I might as well embrace it wholeheartedly and jump in both feet first.

We need to become the politcal equivalent of a tsunami:a force of nature that can't be ignored.

[Lefty48197]

9. Be a prick for crying out loud. Don't give them one minute of rest.

We could really make them lose what's left of their minds.

[blm]

10. Because the left controls NO media and controls NO voting machines.

Whereas the GOP controls MOST of the media and controls MOST of the voting machines. They have nothing to fear.

[Eric J in MN]

11. There aren't any leftwing cable news channels, but

I wouldn't say there is zero leftwing media.

There is "Mother Jones" magazine, for example.

[blm]

16. That's not "mainstream" media.

And the left controls NO mainstream media outlet.

[journalist3072]

12. Agree!

We have not truly learned how to be an "opposition party."

We have not learned how to get our message out, at a time when we don't have the WH Rose Garden as our backdrop.

The Republicans learned this well during the 1990s. Take the Contract With America. Policy wise, it was a flawed document, and wrong for America.

But strategically, it was brilliant, because it allowed the Republicans to say what they would do if America gave them control of the Congress back.

We should have been doing that these past few years.

[donheld]

13. Forget about a "thorn in the side" crap

lets be an axe to the head