LOL !!! GO Momma T !!! - E-Mail Exchange With The NYT !!!

[WillyT]

I love when Mom gets her hackles up!!! Both original e-mail from Mom to Times, with weenie-esque reply!

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From: Public
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 10:50 AM
To: Grace ******
Subject: Re: Congressman Conyers' hearings last Wednesday



At 06:19 PM 12/11/2004, you (My Mom) wrote:



Well, it appears that the major paper of record for these United States did not think it worth the time to cover the hearings held last Wednesday, but they were covered (thank goodness someone knows what is important) on C-Span, live and in full.

How you can hold your heads up is beyond me. Shame upon you. There is NO doubt that something definitely is rotten in Ohio....and possibly elsewhere.

I suppose you don’t want to miss the peachy cocktail parties in Georgetown, or is it that your reporters might be excluded from the White House ? What is it? This is your job. You are supposed to cover the news as it happens, and cover it intelligently and fairly.

The people testifying at the hearings were not a bunch of internet kooks and bloggers; they were professionals – lawyers and professors and people with degrees in Political Science. They were from People for the American Way, from the ACLU, from the Green Party and others too numerous to mention. And you didn’t think it worth the ink? And there were some gut-wrenching stories told there, some serious stuff – like the woman with a cane, who was in the middle of undergoing chemotherapy. She was waiting and waiting in line, and she fainted. Robert Fitrakis, Ph.D., J.D., went to complain and insist that the woman must be accommodated, under the provision of the Americans with Disabilities Act, or the HAVA act...or just plain out of human concern. The answer was NO. The story was told of an older black male who was brought to the voting place from his hospital bed. He still had the IV in his arm. He had to stand in line and wait. He had been refused an absentee ballot, so had to get taken to the voting place and then wait, and wait, and wait. There is a story here. Where were you? Matthew Segal, a student at Kenyon College, at Gambier, Ohio, said that the students had to stand in line up to 10 to 12 hours in the rain. Some could not wait; they had classes and other obligations. Is this the way we encourage young people to vote? I believe young Mr. Segal indicated that there were just two voting machines for the 1100 + registered student voters.

IF the story ever gets out in its full glory, despite your efforts to hide it, you will be shown to have been sleeping at the switch.
IF they refuse to seat the Ohio delegation (a move that was suggested and applauded) unless all the votes have been counted and verified, you will look damn silly for not knowing where that came from and why.
IF you prefer to stay silent, fearful that our leader is speaking for God – and you wouldn’t want to get on the bad side of that, then you are as crazy as they are.

Yours, in utter despair for the condition of our printed media, as well as the “usual sources” on TV....grace ****** Sacramento, CA




Dear Ms. T,

In the first few weeks after the election several readers wrote us about this issue. Mr. Okrent responded to these concerns on his web journal. I include the entry below (see post #35).

http://forums.nytimes.com/top/opinion/readersopinions/forums/thepubliceditor/danielokrent/index.html?offset=36&fid=.f555e99/36

dokrent - 5:40 PM ET November 21, 2004 (#35 of 40)

The Times and Covering Allegations of Election Fraud

Sorry to have been neglecting this spot for so long; I could give you a list of excuses, but none of them
is especially good.

Now, though, my mailbox has begun to overflow with criticisms of The Times for not looking more deeply
into allegations of large-scale vote fraud in Ohio and Florida, a story (if true) that no one can ignore. In some
of these messages, writers say that "now that the theft of the election has been proven ...," The Times must
reveal this to the wider world.

Were the assertion even nearly so, I would do more than recommend that The Times reveal it ­ I’d be
demanding it publicly, loudly and frequently. But the evidence I have seen to date proves nothing, other than
that there was a certain amount of error in certain counties, and an aggressive effort by some partisans in
some areas to challenge some likely Democratic voters. To my knowledge, no one in the Kerry campaign’s
vast on-the-ground operation, or in its armies of well-situated lawyers, has made the argument that what
happened in Ohio (or Florida) could have changed the result of the election. Similar views were explained
in "Vote Fraud Theories, Spread By Blogs, Are Quickly Buried," by Tom Zeller (Nov. 12).

And more, I expect, will be explored and explained in future articles if meaningful allegations can indeed
be established as facts. Both Matthew Purdy, the head of The Times’s investigative unit, and Rick Berke, the
paper’s Washington editor, assure me that reporters will continue to look into the issue. I’m confident that if
they find something, they’ll publish it. A good investigative reporter (much less a whole staff of them) turning
away from a story like this one ­ if true ­ would be like a flower turning away from the sun. Careers are made
by stories that detail massive election fraud.

But: the operative words here are if true. Wishing doesn’t make it so. Although it would probably pain him to
have someone from The Times touting his work, David Corn of The Nation, in a recent column, offers plenty
of reason to examine the allegations before I, or anyone else, should leap to give them credence. You can
find Corn’s column here.

Since then, over seven hundred other readers have raised similar concerns requesting more coverage on this issue. You may be interested in the following articles:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/22/politics/22poll.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/15/politics/15ohio.html

I raised reader concerns with Mr. Okrent and a few days ago he asked me to let you know that he does not believe The Times's coverage of the voting in Ohio is over.

The following articles have since appeared:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/29/politics/29ohio.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/24/national/24vote.html

Mr. Okrent wanted me to write you back asking that you please stay tuned.

Sincerely,
Arthur Bovino
Office of the Public Editor
The New York Times

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Ohio-Vote-Challenge.html

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Mom's husband, my old man, was a reporter. And a friend to Pierre Salinger, Joe Rosenthal, and a whole bunch WWII writers and recorders of history. Plus... her ancestors (and mine) used to manufacture these before the Rand Corporation swallowed them up...

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[proud patriot]

1. I love your mom

:D

[Blue_Tires]

2. you should be proud of her!

[arcane1]

3. momma T rules

:toast:

:hi:

[stackhouse]

4. hi guys just popping in

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5. good job, momma! ! ! n/t

[WillyT]

6. Thanks You Guys !!! - MommaT Says Hi !!!

:hi::loveya::hi:

[DemonFighterLives]

7. Great letter by Momma T

And thanks for sharing it with us. I'll bet a few at the paper felt stupid reading her letter.

[Prodemsouth]

8. Here is to Mom T.. Someday I will share some the letters my Mom sent

to Zell Miller.

[Bozita]

9. That LTTE by Mom would look good on DU's homepage

Mom writes 5 star stuff!

[Pithy Cherub]

10. Your mom writes a GREAT letter. More disturbing

is the abject whining that they can't cover the story unless Kerry says it is so. That is the absence of courage when faced with doing journalism. What print cowards!

[gratuitous]

11. So the NYT's response is . . .

What we said on November 21 is adequate, despite what has come out in the five weeks since that time? Do their sports writers leave a game in the third inning, because they know who's going to win and that everything important has happened?

They gave no substantive discussion or even betrayed any awareness of the Conyers' hearing and the testimony offered. Shame indeed, New York Times. Once upon a time I've heard that journalism was practiced in your offices. Now we get stories of Judith Miller and unidentified men in baseball caps dozens of yards away, pointing at the ground, and this passes as justification for launching an invasion.

And they'll be soooo surprised when they're lined up in front of the bullet-pocked wall.

[s-cubed]

12. I copied the NYT response to the Wash Post to show them

that their competition was taking the issue somewhat more seriously than they were, and suggested that someone would get a Pulitzer out of this & it won't be the Wash Post. (or for that matter, the NYT, but I didn't say that ) :evilgrin:

[WillyT]

13. Thanks Again All !!!

And have a safe and Happy New Year!!!

:loveya: