Anyone listening to Thom Hartmann?

[BrklynLiberal]

Discussion of 8.1 earthquake off Australia just prior to the big one in the Indian Ocean..not reported anywhere in the MSM????

[bpilgrim]

1. got a link?

i can't connect to airamericas streams for some reason :shrug:

tia :toast:

peace

[CatWoman]

2. Thom broadcasts at

www.radiopower.org

[gorbal]

3. Wow, I wish I hadn't missed that

What were they just talking about? Something about CO2, sounded interesting.

[rman]

11. audio archive:

http://www.whiterosesociety.org/

[bpilgrim]

6. thank you!

:toast:

peace

[0007]

12. Hi CatWoman

love this photo of junior

[CatWoman]

14. Hi, Jerry

:hi:

:loveya:

[WoodrowFan]

4. data

here is a chart of recent seismic activity, there have been numerous earthquakes in the past seven days, but that's common. It's the power and effect of this one that was unusual.

http://wwwneic.cr.usgs.gov/


BTW, none of the recent ones around Australia were anywhere near 8.1

[BrklynLiberal]

5. Could not find anything on that chart that goes back before 12/25

[gorbal]

7. Hmmmm

That's odd?

[WoodrowFan]

9. not really

the chart only goes back seven days. The earthquake happened on the 23d, 8 days ago (today counts as 1 day).

[WoodrowFan]

8. her eit is.

8.1 on the 23d. South East of Australia. http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqinthenews/2004/ussjal/


A linked story notes that it was unliekly to cause Tsunami's that would reach land.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000081&sid=a25w7ajYN_zg&refer=australia

[rman]

10. more data

past 7 days
http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/bulletin/

past 8 - 30 days
http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/qed/

would this be the one?
2004/12/23 14:59:03 50.14S 160.36E 10 8.1 NORTH OF MACQUARIE ISLAND

[Synnical]

13. Reuters

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=570&ncid=753&e=5&u=/nm/20041224/sc_nm/quake_australia_antarctica_dc


Fri Dec 24, 5:52 AM ET Science - Reuters



CANBERRA (Reuters) - Australia's southern state of Tasmania was rocked by the world's largest earthquake in three-and-a-half years when it struck under the sea half way between Australia and Antarctica on Friday, seismologists said.

No injuries or damage were reported.


The earthquake measuring 8.1 on the Richter scale hit near Macquarie Island in the Southern Ocean, more than 500 miles southeast of Tasmania, at about 2 a.m., said Geoscience Australia seismologist Cvetan Sinadinovski.

[BrklynLiberal]

15. Here is another story about the 8.1 earthquake off Australia and the

possible connection to the 9.0 earthquake.

http://www.independent-media.tv/item.cfm?fmedia_id=10211&fcategory_desc=Under%20Reported

Independent Media TV
Under Reported
December 28, 2004

Earthquake: Coincidence or a Corporate Oil Tragedy?
By: Andrew Limburg
Independent Media TV

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Now I don’t claim to be an expert on seismic activity, but there has been a series of events which led up to the 9.0 earthquake of the coast of Indonesia which can not be ignored. This all could be an enormous coincidence, but one must look at the information and choose for themselves whether there is anything to it.
On November 28th, one month ago, Reuters reported that during a 3 day span 169 whales and dolphins beached themselves in Tasmania, an island of the southern coast of mainland Australia and in New Zealand. The cause for these beachings is not known, but Bob Brown, a senator in the Australian parliament, said "sound bombing" or seismic tests of ocean floors to test for oil and gas had been carried out near the sites of the Tasmanian beachings recently.

According to Jim Cummings of the Acoustic Ecology Institute, Seismic surveys utilizing airguns have been taking place in mineral-rich areas of the world’s oceans since 1968. Among the areas that have experienced the most intense survey activity are the North Sea, the Beaufort Sea (off Alaska’s North Slope), and the Gulf of Mexico; areas around Australia and South America are also current hot-spots of activity.

The impulses created by the release of air from arrays of up to 24 airguns create low frequency sound waves powerful enough to penetrate up to 40km below the seafloor. The “source level" of these sound waves is generally over 200dB (and often 230dB or more), roughly comparable to a sound of at least 140-170dB in air.

According to the Australian Conservation Foundation, these 200dB – 230dB shots from the airguns are fired every 10 seconds or so, from 10 meters below the surface, 24 hours a day, for 2 week periods of time, weather permitting.

These types of tests are known to affect whales and dolphins, whose acute hearing and use of sonar is very sensitive.

On December 24th there was a magnitude 8.1 earthquake more than 500 miles southeast of Tasmania near New Zealand, with a subsequent aftershock 6.1 a little later in the morning that same day.

On December 26th, the magnitude 9.0 earthquake struck at the intersection of the Australian tectonic plate and the Indian tectonic plate. This is the devastating tsunami tragedy that we have all heard about in the Indian Ocean. The death toll of this horrific event has reached 120,000 souls and continues to rise.

On December 27th, 20 whales beached themselves 110 miles west of Hobart on the southern island state of Tasmania.

What is interesting about this is that the same place where the whale beachings have been taking place over the last 30 days is the same general area where the 8.1 Australian earthquake took place, and this is the same area where they are doing these seismic tests. Then 2 days after the Australian tectonic plate shifted, the 9.0 earthquake shook the coast of Indonesia.

A great deal of interest and seismic testing has been taking place in this area, as the government of Australia has given great tax breaks to encourage the oil exploration.

Two Geologists that I spoke to felt that it was highly unlikely that these seismic tests would have had enough energy to induce the Australian quake. On the other hand there is strong evidence that suggests that oil exploration activities have induced earthquakes in the past.

Again, I don't claim to be an expert. I'm writing this story to bring attention to some interesting facts, so that those who are experts can investigate this fully.

We will be following up on this story as more information is gathered.

Photos:
Whale Beachings in Tasmania, Australia and New Zealand on November 30th, 2004
http://www.independent-media.tv/images/story/beached-whales-



Location of Australian 8.1 Earthquake between Tasmania, Australia and New Zealand on December 24th - The Australian / New Zealand earthquake is the one on the bottom right hand side of the picture


Location of the 9.0 Indonesian Earthquake and it’s relationship to the Australian Tectonic Plate



Additional Information:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=570&ncid=753&e=5&u=/nm/20041224/sc_nm/quake_australia_antarctica_dc
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=570&ncid=753&e=2&u=/nm/20041227/sc_nm/quake_environment_dc
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=570&ncid=753&e=1&u=/nm/20041228/sc_nm/environment_australia_whales_dc
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=516&ncid=716&e=1&u=/ap/20041228/ap_on_re_as/quake_tidal_waves
http://www.independent-media.tv/item.cfm?fmedia_id=9943&fcategory_desc=Environment
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/recenteqsww/Quakes/usslav.htm

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/recenteqsww/Quakes/ussjal.htm

[WoodrowFan]

16. oh please

first off, no "man made" earthquakes have ever been NEAR 9.0. They've been localized and much smaller.

second: "about this is that the same place"?? Um, try 1100 or more miles away!

third: I notice the writer admits knowing nothing about seimology and says the experts he talked to said they were unrelated.

fourth: the earthquake seems to have occured when the Inda plate meets the Sundra plate, NOT on the Australian plate.


So, we have noise tests that affect dolphins and whales occuring before an earthquake to which they on not related which occured on a plate which was not part of a later earthquake.

Gee, I wonder why no one made this connection before? :eyes: