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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 11:04 PM
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“CLIFFORD (BCCI) will go places.” From the Truman Diary!
The recently discovered diary of Harry S Truman is fascinating. This excerpt from the History Channel and Rense.com first talks about the ghosts running around the White House. The second refers to young Clark Clifford, the counsel to every Democratic president from Truman to Carter.

EXCERPT…

January 6, 1947

The floors pop and crack all night long. Anyone with imagination can see old Jim Buchanan walking up and down worrying about conditions not of his making. Then there's Van Buren who inherited a terrible mess from his predecessor as did poor old James Madison. Of course Andrew Johnson was the worst mistreated of any of them. But they all walk up and down the halls of this place and moan about what they should have done and didn't. So-you see. I've only named a few. The ones who had Boswells and New England historians are too busy trying to control heaven and hell to come back here. So the tortured souls who were and are misrepresented in history are the ones who come back. It's a hell of a place.

Read my annual message. It was good if I do say it myself. Outlines by me to begin with, the cabinet, the little cabinet, Sam Rosenman, the Chief Justice all added criticisms. Clark Clifford did most of the work. He's a nice boy and will go places.

January 8, 1947

CONTINUED…

http://www.rense.com/general38/truman.htm

The “little cabinet” I imagine Truman refers is the National Security Act of 1947, pretty much spearheaded by Clifford, that established the National Security Council and the Central Intelligence Agency. Interesting how one guy, so instrumental in creating the power of the Secret Government, could be so influential. And corrupt. For proof, GOOGLE “Clifford” and “BCCI.” Add “Kerry” and you’ll see who made it possible for us to know so much about the CIA-Military Industrial Complex and the Bush Organized Crime Family.




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soupkitchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 11:11 PM
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1. So do you think GW even outlines his own State of the Union Speech?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 11:19 PM
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2. Truman's handwriting is exquisite.
In those days, the more you wrote, the better your handwriting, the higher your level of education, and thus, the smarter you were. Today we have the good ol' word processor. And a robotic sock-puppet as the Leader of the Free World™.

The Little Turd from Crawford could replicate a million times and sit at a million typewriters for a million years and he still wouldn't come up with a single rational four-word sentence. If a man is judged by the words he uses, George Walker Bush is an idiot.



Da U-238 is Saddam's.

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 11:48 PM
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3. For clarification: Diary entry was BEFORE NSA passed.
I'll continue to search for the details, but would appreciate help from those familiar with the subject. In the meantime, here's some background about the National Security Act and Clark Clifford's rightful place in establishing the National Security State and the Secret Government we all know and love so well today:

History of the United States National Security Council 1947-1953

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.


Truman Administration, 1947-1953

The National Security Council was created by Public Law 80(253, approved July 26, 1947, as part of a general reorganization of the U.S. national security apparatus. Proponents of the reform realized that no institutional means for the coordination of foreign and defense policy existed, and that the informal management techniques employed by President Roosevelt during the war and President Truman after the war were not suitable for the long haul. The State-War-Navy Coordinating Committee (SWNCC) had been established in 1944 at the Assistant Secretary-level, and by 1945 the Secretaries of State, War, and Navy began holding weekly meetings. President Roosevelt had tended to trust White House aides like Harry Hopkins and Admiral William D. Leahy to carry on necessary day-to-day coordination. President Truman for a time relied upon Special White House Counsel Clark Clifford to provide the Hopkins(Leahy type of personal coordination. Clifford, who was dismayed by the disorder among agencies taking major post-war policy-making decisions, was a key figure in establishing the National Security Council to give institutional stability to national security policy-making.

The National Security Act of 1947 created the National Security Council under the chairmanship of the President, with only the following seven officials as permanent members: the President, the Secretaries of State, Defense, Army, Navy, Air Force, and the Chairman of the National Security Resources Board. The President could designate "from time to time" the Secretaries of other executive departments and the Chairmen of the Munitions Board and the Research and Development Board to attend meetings. While the new Central Intelligence Agency was to report to the NSC, the Director of Central Intelligence was not a member, although he attended meetings as an observer and resident adviser.

The function of the NSC as outlined in the 1947 act was to advise the President on integration of domestic, foreign, and military policies relating to national security and to facilitate interagency cooperation. At the President's direction, the NSC could also assess and appraise risks to U.S. national security, consider policies, and then report or make recommendations to the President. The act created a small permanent staff headed by a civilian Executive Secretary appointed by the President. In neither the National Security Act of 1947 nor subsequent amendments was there provision for the position of National Security Adviser. Initially, the permanent NSC staff had no substantive role in the formulation, let alone implementation, of national security policies.

The NSC did, however, serve other purposes beyond its stated goal of advising on policy formulation. For Forrestal and the Navy, who were opposed to a strongly-unified Department of Defense, it provided top-level coordination of the three armed services without integration or unification. For Defense officials, it ensured a continuing military voice in formulation of related foreign and domestic policies during peacetime. For those, especially in Congress, who doubted Truman had adequate experience in foreign affairs or even doubted his abilities in general, the NSC offered the hope of evolving into a collegial policy-making body to reinforce the President.

CONTINUED…

http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_United_States_National_Security_Council_1947-1953

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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-03 12:03 AM
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4. The office makes the thinkers a little "teched"
It seems so cerebral to ruminate on the spirits of his predecessors. It's a fascinating peek inside...

Do you think Bush could name that many former execs, let alone be familiar with their circumstance?
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Coffee Coyote Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-03 07:43 AM
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5. true
If you read "Plain Speaking", which is basically transcribed interviews with Truman from a film of the same name, Truman's off-the-cuff knowledge of history is astonishing.

How he defends the dithering non-entity that was James Buchanan is beyond me. I would LOVE more insights from Truman justifying that claim.
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