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Peak_Oil Donating Member (666 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 10:07 PM
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The Pope thinks Bush may be the Antichrist -link
WASHINGTON DC -- According to freelance journalist Wayne Madsden, "George W Bush's blood lust, his repeated commitment to Christian beliefs and his constant references to 'evil doers,' in the eyes of many devout Catholic leaders, bear all the hallmarks of the one warned about in the Book of Revelations--the anti-Christ."

Madsen, a Washington-based writer and columnist, who often writes for Counterpunch, says that people close to the pope claim that amid these concerns, the pontiff wishes he was younger and in better health to confront the possibility that Bush may represent the person prophesized in Revelations. John Paul II has always believed the world was on the precipice of the final confrontation between Good and Evil as foretold in the New Testament.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0MKY/is_9_27/ai_108881880

Author of the article is Wayne Madsen. Background on him can be found http://www.google.com/search?q=Wayne+Madsen&hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&start=10&sa=N and it looks like he may have been involved with DU at some point in the past.

Possible tinfoil hat nutjob, but then again, I'm definitely a tinfoil hat nutjob.

Anyway.

Funny stuff, no?

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thedevilinthedetails Donating Member (121 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 10:08 PM
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1. old news, look at the date of the article
besides, they even got the name of the author on this wrong.
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Sannum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 10:09 PM
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2. I'm not a christian, but I think Bush is the AntiChrist.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 10:32 PM
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11. I don't think the Antichrist is a single person
I think it's the mindset that loots the many to fatten the few, that wages wars of convenience for material gain, that sees the misery of other people and simply shrugs it off.
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ktowntennesseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 10:49 PM
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13. I agree. The Antichrist is symbolic
Edited on Thu Dec-30-04 10:49 PM by ktowntennesseedem
of any and all who on the surface appear to have many similarities with Christ, but in fact are just the opposite, and by their deception lure others away from Christ. Or to be more inclusive, lure other away from all Christ stands for: love, peace, justice, hope, humility, service, etc.

As a Christian who interprets much of bible, especially the book of Revelation, as having symbolic meanings more-so than literal meanings, I feel that their have been "Antichrists" throughout history. A case could be made for many, but I do feel that Dubya fits the description very well.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 11:00 PM
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14. Oh, no,no,no,no,no!
Nothing in the bible is symbolic. Absolutely everything is literally true.

Where were you on indoctrination day?
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ktowntennesseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-04 06:35 AM
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27. LOL!!!! My indoctrination just didn't take!
Somewhere came up with this crazy idea to think for myself and consider alternate views, even contrary views, when it came to matters of faith. I say its made me a better person with an even stronger faith---my mom says its made me a heretic!
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 10:11 PM
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3. Not credible
if he did believe W to be the Antichrist, then why does he keep silent? Is he scuurred? If he is too old, then he should direct his followers against Bush.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 10:18 PM
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6. Wouldn't it be dangerous to confront the Anti-Christ. I mean look @ how
he handles people who confront him?

I believe totally that * is the Anti-Christ. Revalations didn't necessarily say that they were middle eastern they will come from the middle east...and we're in Iraq now and it is under our occupation. Not to mention that Bush has come from the middle east. He did visit Iraq once to proclaim himself as the leader of the occupation.
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Dancing_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 10:20 PM
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7. The Pope did publicly oppose the invasion of Iraq
Edited on Thu Dec-30-04 10:21 PM by Dancing_Dave
But a lot of the U.S. Catholic Church didn't dare to pass that on here.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-04 12:10 AM
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19. my mom had all the priest on her retreat arguing that the pope was just
being PC, she said they were talking as fast as used car salesman when she made that point at launch one day :evilgrin:

peace
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 10:28 PM
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8. True but when there are threats of total destruction behind closed doors,
The pope or any official would not place innocent masses
of people in harms way.

The gun to the head is a policy working quite well for them.
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Dancing_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 10:16 PM
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4. Belief that George W Bush is the Antichrist is common around the planet!
Edited on Thu Dec-30-04 10:16 PM by Dancing_Dave
Just do a google search for George W Bush Antichrist...you'll find how many people believe he's the Antichrist and plenty of their reasons. 81,200 sites all about it. It may really blow your mind.

:headbang:
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 10:16 PM
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5. If there IS such a thing...
Then IMO Bush fits the bill.
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ajfisher Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 10:28 PM
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9. funny stuff
I thought that a long time ago.

I'm waiting for the seemingly fatal wound, allegorical probably.

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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 10:31 PM
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10. Does the Anti-Christ have to be Jewish? I don't know much about all
this, but in the back of my mind I think I recall reading something about the Anti-Christ that says he/she must be of Jewish descent.

Amd I way off base, or not?
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 10:43 PM
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12. The Sociopath is definetly anti-Christ..
but not The Anti-Christ. He is merely a silverspoon ASSHOLE!!!
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shesemsmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 11:04 PM
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15. thats not news
I already figured that out on my own
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AuntieM1957 Donating Member (775 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 11:29 PM
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16. Allegory
it's not literal - tin hat nutjobs.

it's an allegory.

there is no anti-christ..



EVIL FLOURISHES WHEN GOOD MEN DO NOTHING...

THE IDLE ARE THE ANTICHRIST

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ironflange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 11:32 PM
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17. The Book of Revelation
Not Revelations. Revelation.

Sorry, that's always really bugged me. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
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Calvinist Basset Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-04 12:07 AM
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18. Thank you.
The pluralization drives me batty too!

Not to mention, Revelation does not use the word "antichrist." The word is only found in 1 and 2 John.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-04 03:11 AM
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24. Perhaps people make that leap because all three books
are books of John.

At any rate, the really bad guy in Revelation is "The Beast"
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-04 12:18 AM
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20. I'm ready for this Armageddon thing
Really. Bring it.
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DivinBreuvage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-04 01:14 AM
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21. Third Prophecy of Fatima
The Pope has access to it. We don't.
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Lithos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-04 01:22 AM
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22. The Vatican released that several years ago
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DivinBreuvage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-04 02:12 AM
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23. Dang, that's the famous third prophecy? What a letdown.
I'm also peeved that it scotches my theory about the Pope's comment. :mad: But, thanks for the info!
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-04 03:22 AM
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25. I don't think he is the real thing
He is the first herald.
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fishingriver Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-04 04:24 AM
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26. Could it be TRUE? Bush is the Anti-Christ !
I found this on a message board. Whatever you do, don't copy and paste this and email it to every fundy you know because they are very superstitous and just talking about the anti-christ gives them goose bumps. They might pass it on and scare a bunch of them and get a rumor going. I am posting this for your amusement only.

Warning to all Christians with ears to hear!

The antichrist is here and his name is George W Bush. Before you dismiss this understand that I am telling you this because your soul is at stake!

In the New Testament

The only two books in the Bible that literally use the term, antichrist, are 1 John: "Who is the liar". This is understood by scholars to mean that the antichrist will be a leader who deceives many people. The thing about the anti-christ that will set him apart from other leaders is that many nations will recognize that he is evil, but his own people will be inclined to believe his deceptions. This is believed to be because the people who follow him will lose the ability to discern between the truth and the lie. This is the antichrist, he who denies Truth." (1 John 2:22 ESV; see also 2:18, 4:3, 1:7) and 2 John 1:7. However, related ideas and references appear in many places in the Bible and various apocrypha, so that a more complete biblical portrait of the Antichrist has been built up gradually by Christian theologians and folk-religionists. Matthew 24 warns of "false Christs" in several places, and of deceivers who would appear falsely claiming to be the returned Christ. (Matt. 24:5, 24)


Bush appears a fool. No one expected that the antichrist would appear as a man who is poked fun at for his poor language skills. But throughout the old and new testament the Lord used people that were the most unlikely. This was to demonstrate that it was the Lord and not the men who were great. Example-The child David defeats the giant Golliath demonstrating that the Lord was behind his success.
By using the unlikely Bush, the devil is demonstrating that it will be his evil power that is behind world destruction. But they are not ready to reveal it yet.

Criteria for the Antichrist

The most common interpretations continue to be that the antichrist will be some sort of high-ranking political leader, who will initially do very good, popular things, which will win him many followers. In the end, however he will become increasingly totalitarian and elicit more and more sacrifices from his followers until eventually his evil ways become known, and the era of "trials and tribulations" begins.

Bush has to reveal that he is the antichrist. In his second term, he will visit Israel and stand inside the temple and blaspheme. The white House is already discussing the schedule for a meeting in Jerusalem. There they will visit the temple. (*More to follow explaining this event.)

The expected role of the Antichrist

The antichrist will divide the world and create war without end. He will lie to God, or declare obvious or God given truths to be lies. Also this is interpreted to mean he will declare that things which are evil to be good. He will refer to war as peace, death as a solution for justice, and serving the wealthy as a means of helping the poor.
Christian denominations disagree on what will happen in the end times, and the role that Satan and the Antichrist will play. Among those who expect the Antichrist to arise in the future, there is a general consensus that sometime prior to the expected return of Jesus, there will be a period of "trials and tribulations" during which the Antichrist, inspired by Satan, will attempt to win supporters, and will silence anyone or make enemies of any country who refuses to approve of him. This metaphor written as ("receive his mark").
In this view, an event termed the "White Throne Judgment" will take place, at which time both the living and the dead will be resurrected, some for everlasting life, and some for everlasting death. All those who worship God and Jesus will be admitted to the presence of God; but everyone who would not repent of the antichrist will be sent to an outer darkness. Finally, the "Dragon" (often interpreted as Satan), the "Beast" (often interpreted as the Antichrist) and the "false prophet" (interpreted in many ways) who compels the world to worship the Beast (lie), and all who received his mark (cast their lot with him), will be thrown into a lake of fire together with death and Hell. These views are based on passages in the Apocalypse of John, more commonly known as the Book of Revelation.

What We Can Do To Stop The Antichrist Bush


Let other Christians know that it has been revealed to you that Bush is the one referred to in Daniel as the "abomination of desolation". The Lord never errors in His promises. In the same respect that Jesus was the embodiment of love and truth, George W Bush is the embodiment of fear and deception. There is a period where we can drive him out with the light of the Lord. The Truth. By exposing the antichrist Bush before the day of no return when he stands in the temple and declares himself to be God.

*Bush has already scheduled a meeting in Israel to discuss the palestinian situation with Sharon. Bush is first going to reveal that he has jewish blood in his family. They will go to the temple in a symbolic union of the Jewish and Christian peoples. There Bush will declare that he is God. It may be passed off by the media as another Bush speaking error, but something he says will be able to be interpreted as Bush declaring himself to be God.

Make your own flyers and leave them on windshields at your local churches. Copy this information and do your own research. Go to google and enter Bush antichrist and read the serious work already done to try to save us from being the people who keep the antichrist in power. According to scripture, the people must chose the anti-christ to rule over them. The first election didn't allow the evil one the power to begin the end. By electing Bush America has handed the anti-christ his sceptre which is the will of man. Bushs evil will now manifest itself if we don't expose him to the faithful. Don't let Bush fool you, he used abortion to lure the faithful into his fold. A promise he will never and has no intention of keeping. Remember that it is the anti-christs job to deceive the faithful. "He will even deceive the elect if that were possible". Its up to you to spread the word in your own communities. Time is running out for us to redeem ourselves. If America follows antichrist Bush, we will be cast into the firey lake with him.


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