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youngred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 02:55 PM
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Why am I the enemy in My Homeland? or American Values=Liberal Values
Edited on Mon Jan-03-05 02:58 PM by youngred
I have always loved my nation. Since I was a small boy I was inspired by the noble goals laid out in this country’s founding documents. I proudly learned the Star Spangled Banner and the Pledge of Allegiance. So it is with some shock that I have come to learn recently that I am a foe of my country guilty of “treason,” “defeatism,” “anti-Americanism” and of not supporting the troops.

What happened to me? My views have not changed, though my awareness has expanded. I still believe that we can be a better nation. Pointing that out is not blaming America first. Noting that they don’t hate us for our freedoms, but rather for our actions is not blaming America first. Saying that the troops should get armor and come home from danger is supporting them more than slapping a magnet on my car and sitting comfortably by while they die. Being willing to give up more of my hard earned money to make sure that those who can’t find work can get through a pinch or that the poor get the healthcare they need is the charitable and Christian thing to do. Protecting our national currency, economic reputation, and environment so that my children and my children’s children have a safe and happy world in which to live is a patriotic thing to do. Being willing to listen to other nation’s concerns and problems and work with them is in the American character more than going it alone and making enemies.

It’s funny, but as student of history I’ve noticed a few things about patterns in this country. It has never been the conservatives that have made this country great, always the progressives and liberal. America is forward looking nation. The founding principles of this country: Democracy, Equality, Freedom are liberal ideas. It was not the conservatives who freed the slaves. It was liberal Christians who stood up and fought the “peculiar institution” and righted the corrupt bargain that left this a nation half-slave half-free. It was not the conservatives who went after the corporations, which abused millions in the Industrial Revolution. It was the muckraking media and unions. It was not the conservatives who worked to get women in the right to vote. It was women and liberal men who fought to overturn gender discrimination that stretched back to the founding of the western world. It was not trickle-down Conservatives that got the nation out of the Great Depression. It was a quasi-Socialist who increased government spending and provided a safety net for millions that allowed for a great boom in the American economy. It was not Conservatives who fought for civil rights for African Americans. It was African-Americans along with other traditionally disenfranchised groups (Catholics and Jews) that stood up and said this injustice cannot stand. It was not Conservatives who lead the war effort against the forces of fascism. It was liberals who believed in Democracy and protecting it from the right-wing reactionaries. Please note that through this I don’t use the labels Republican and Democrats. The party of Lincoln and Roosevelt long ago abandoned those noble roots in favor of being the party of the rich and discriminatory. The Party of Jefferson and Jackson spent a long time in the wilderness as the party of segregation and slavery. And while Liberal politicians have not always adhered to the most noble of goals (Jefferson’s racism, Jackson’s treatment of the Indians, TRs bullish nationalism, Kennedy’s womanizing) by in large they recognized that this country is only great when all are included and when we take of not just the poor but the minorities. We are an inclusive nation, the world’s great melting pot. America’s greatest strength has always been her willingness to accept the “huddled masses yearning to breathe free” and her recognition that “all men are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights.”

Americans have always had a strong sense of individualism, but in the era of rampant corporatism and materialism that strong character which spanned continents has turned into self-centeredness and greed. Americans have always been of noble heart and willing to help those in need, but in the year 2003 we spent as much on pornography as we did on foreign aid ($10 Billion). Americans have traditionally believed in being respected abroad and not meddling in the affairs of other nations, but unbeknownst to most we have been bombing, attacking and encouraging coups against Democracy around the world for decades. We don’t know about the abuses the government has perpetrated in our name, but the world does. For the most part they have refused to lay the blame on Americans as people, but have blamed our government. But that separation is becoming increasingly blurred as we support the irrational and anti-democratic actions the current administration has undertaken.

Everyone here wants the United States to succeed. I won’t stoop to calling those with a different ideology anti-patriots as they have done to me. But too often we have let our own comfort get in the way of what is best for our nation and what is in the traditional character of what it is to be American. I look across the spectrum of what it means to be an American and I see that liberal values are American values. Conservatism is a valuable and necessary counter-weight to extremes, but when it rolls back the rights of our fellow Americans, instills fear and hatred, and spends our national treasure on the enrichment of the few over the many it has gone too far and become Anti-American. Traditional families are valuable, but that doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t recognize those who choose to live differently or have no choice in the matter of their difference. Protecting and educating our children is a valuable action, but not when we lie to them about their bodies and about the plain scientific facts of the world. Low government involvement in people’s personal lives is a standard of this nation, but giving up the right to read what we want to protect us from terrorists means that they have already won. Protecting the right to bear arms is not a bad thing, but doing so at the expense of millions of lives that could have been saved through simple non-intrusive measures is irrational.

Perhaps my view of this country was a silly childhood myth that I cling to despite all the evidence. But I refuse to believe that this country is about limiting the right to free speech, and the right to criticize actions you believe to be wrong. I refuse to recognize that we would seek to limit the rights of those who are different. I refuse to believe that we as a nation support attacking poor people around the world. I refuse to believe we are about the things that the last four years have brought about. Perhaps my vision of America is a foolish idealistic fantasy that I should give up. But I don’t think so. I think the people who seek to exclude me are the people who aren’t American. Patriotism really is the first refuge of the scoundrels, but it can be so much more when we live up to the values that this nation is all about. I am a patriot because I love my country and I spend my time and effort to educate myself on the issues and look to do what is best for my nation, because that invariably means that I will do better. I am a patriot and I am going to fight for my country against those who would kick me out. Will you, Republican and Democrat alike, join me in taking back OUR nation from those who are destroying the very things that have made us the greatest nation on earth?
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jjmalonejr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 04:43 PM
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1. EXCELLENT post!
Sums up how I feel and how I think a lot of us feel.

Thank you for writing this and thank you for sharing it.
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WritersBlock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 04:45 PM
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2. Why, indeed?
Thank you for this post.

I come to DU because of people who feel the way the OP feels.

Hear that, NYT?
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 05:13 PM
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3. I still cling to the belief that most
Americans believe as you do. Still, we value ignorance. Smart people, informed people are not heros but disdained. I thought the dotcom powered rise of the 'geeks' would change that, but it didn't. The most popular and lauded are athletes, movie stars, and musicians. Some may be very intelligent and informed, but that's not why they are given adoration. I worry about our country.

Thanks for writing this. I'm saving it.
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 05:16 PM
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4. Thank you, this is really good.
I am also saving it.
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 06:27 PM
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5. You said everything I've been thinking
and you said it better than I ever could! Wanting to make America better is the essence of patriotism.
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Kenergy Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 06:33 PM
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6. Well said youngred! n/t
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 06:41 PM
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7. I remember as a kid back in the 60's on weekend radio news show a
woman talked about a time when she was a girl scout and she was to have the honor of taking the flag up to the front of the room and placing it in the holder. She said that she hesitated to do that because of what the current political climate said the flag stood for. That was during the Vietnam war. The woman/girl scout said that she was opposed to the war but that it was her flag too.

Back then the media would put these ideas on the radio, I doubt if they would do it today.
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youngred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 07:56 PM
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9. And that's the problem that resulted from Vietnam
thank you for the story it affirms much of what I have noticed about the media and the way both sides are viewed commonly now. We don't couch our goals in the language of patritotism even though they are truer to the betterment of the country sometimes because it is unseemly to do so. They have no such reticence and so everyone sees them and assosciates them with it.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 07:21 PM
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8. Remember that you are defined as the "enemy" by the enemy of America
Those who read your exceptional post and would dare to call you the enemy, I submit that it is they, not you, who are the enemy. And I don't mean enemy in the traditional sense of even being aware of what they are doing and aggressively pursuing it, but in the sense that they are responsible for the deterioration of cooperation, insight, and forward-thinking, the character traits which are necessary for America to survive and prosper. (Of course the exception is the bush administration, which is quite self-aware as it blunders forward in its quest for an American empire.)

Do not be fooled by the strident minority. Those who feel as you do are the angry majority, and we shall remain angry and we shall act on our anger until America is strong again. America is not an empire, we are a nation among many nations. It is not our God-given right to dominate by brute strength which rules by fear, intimidation and destruction, but we do have the "spark of God" within us which recognizes that true strength comes from an intelligent mind and a compassionate spirit. To each generation is given a challenge. Our challenge now is to overcome, with truth and justice, those who have failed to be responsible and trustworthy leaders.

I commend you for a most excellent post, for your eloquence and forthrightness in this public forum.
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youngred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 08:00 PM
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10. Thank you for putting it more succinctly
and quite eloquently! I tend to be too long-winded :-) I just want people to not lose sight amidst the flame-wars of what they do to us and how we are on the right side of history in the long run.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 10:36 PM
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25. Oh, you are not long-winded at all.
With many long posts, I tend to skim through them for the essence. Yours, I read every word, then went back and read the entire post again.

I encourage you to e-mail this to BuzzFlash for their mailbag. buzzflash@buzzflash.com Sign it "a Buzzflash reader" if you don't want them to print your actual name.

Perhaps they'll even print it as a commentary. It is truly exceptional.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Blossom Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 11:26 PM
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42. Amen Brother! Thank you for the inspiration.
Such inspiration! Thank you so very much! "Our challenge now is to overcome, with truth and justice, those who have failed to be responsible and trustworthy leaders." I was feeling so very low and beaten. This has given me strength to stand up for truth.
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BamaGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 08:33 PM
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11. Nicely said.
My response to the "treason, not a patriot" idiots is, I am a Vet, thank you very much, and it is my duty as an American to question my government. It is NOT patriotic to blindly follow anyone and our Founding Fathers would be completely horrified at the suggestion. Usually that little speach shuts people up. :D

Since you say that you are a student of history I hope that you have read or will read Straus and Howe. This is a "phase" in the growth of a nation that will never stop growing. Imo, the real question is what will we be left with at the end of the "phase"?
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Dylan Garcia Donating Member (361 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 08:35 PM
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12. We are all outlaws in the eyes of America
Great post.
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youngred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 08:47 PM
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13. Welcome to DU
and thank you
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BamaGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 09:01 PM
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17. Welcome to DU Dylan
though I disagree that we are all outlaws lol! Half of us cannot be wrong.
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youngred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 08:48 PM
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14. I have read straus
and do realise it's just a phase, but it's an extremely dangerous and scary phase (hopefully we're cresting and not just starting). The problem is with Europe, China, Brazil and India in acension will there be anything left of the US if we continue down this path
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BamaGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 09:17 PM
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21. Ahh, well, that's the beauty of the 4T? Eh?
And I am not generally of the opinion that we are 4T yet. All empires come to an end. Is this the end of American supremacy? Who knows? But if it is, and I don't think it is, that might not necessarily be a bad thing. I think in the end, and the end is 4t, reason will prevail everywhere. So while I am very disturbed by the current course of events I am confidant about my children's future.
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Ready2Snap Donating Member (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 08:51 PM
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15. Nicely done
I found your post well organized, very much like an op-ed piece, but with a personal touch so as not to appear slick or preachy.
The second and third paragraphs could be restructured as a great framing template for people of our persuasion to use in combating the right-wing propaganda machine that is strangling free speech and the public discourse.
(That you feel "guilty" is testament to how deeply they have infected our individual and national self-image and challenged our convictions.)
I like how the second paragraph shows how our moral values stack up to the conservatives.
The third paragraph is a laundry list of liberal initiatives which have helped our society evolve to the exalted status it enjoys.
I'd like to see each sentence broken out so that each stands out as a distinct accomplishment of liberal/progressive action
("It was . . .";
"It was . . .";
"It was . . .".)
The rest is a nice bit of non-accusatory criticism about where we've erred as a nation, what needs to be made right and that inclusion and tolerance, not exclusion and oppression, are the true core values of America.
Your call to action at the end with the "I refuse to believe-" is a classic op-ed conclusion.
Again, nicely done.
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youngred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 09:09 PM
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19. feel free to use it
twas a stream of concious rant without much editing.
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Lizz612 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 09:22 PM
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22. He never edits
I keep telling him to but he never listens. :P
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 08:57 PM
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16. Well said - and nice to see you
my posting time is limited these days - and it has been a long time since I have "seen/read" you. What a deep sentiment to read as the first read in a while. :hi:
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youngred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 09:08 PM
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18. I too have been largely absent
I'm glad you enjoyed it, as I have missed your posts quite a bit myself. Hope all is well :hi:
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 09:15 PM
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20. Things are going quite well - just incredibly time consuming.
Edited on Mon Jan-03-05 09:16 PM by salin
no complaints. Hope all is well with you!
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Timebound Donating Member (454 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 09:26 PM
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23. Beautiful.
I am saving this as well. Thank you for writing it. :)
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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 10:32 PM
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24. I like the tone of what you are saying...
Edited on Mon Jan-03-05 10:33 PM by truthpusher
...I get so frustrated with what is going on these days that it always seem to come pissy and unreasonable when I try to express myself. Thank you putting the words down for me.
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Flying Dream Blues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 10:46 PM
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26. Thank you for saying this so well.
I will be saving this one!
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proud_Kucitizen Donating Member (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 07:20 AM
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27. beautifully said
I hope you don't mind if I send it to some of Repug friends and family.

Thanks
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Daphne08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 07:59 AM
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28. Most excellent post!
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 10:40 AM
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29. Hi Daphne08!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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youngred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 03:55 PM
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33. welcome to DU
and thank you
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outrage Donating Member (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 12:21 PM
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30. American Values=Liberal Values
Fantabulous post. I couldn't agree with you more about liberal values being the values of America. I really hope the Democratic party will be able to convey that in subsequent elections, because these are values everyone on both sides of the aisle can agree on.
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youngred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 04:00 PM
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34. Welcome to DU
I think this is the kind of thing we need to keep talking about if we're going to reverse the tide
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YNGW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 12:40 PM
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31. Just Wondering
I appreciate your opinion, but something confused me, so permit me to raise a question.

You said,

>So it is with some shock that I have come to learn recently that I am a foe of my country guilty of “treason,” “defeatism,” “anti-Americanism” and of not supporting the troops.

And then later conclude,

>But I refuse to believe that this country is about limiting the right to free speech, and the right to criticize actions you believe to be wrong.

Given that, you do understand that others practicing their free speech have the right to say you are "a foe of my country guilty of treason, defeatism, anti-Americanism, and of not supporting the troops", don't you. The reason I ask is because I've read several DUers over the past weeks and months making inferences that others should not have the right to label them in ways they do not accept.
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youngred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 03:55 PM
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32. They're free to label me
though I think they're wrong. I was getting at the way that they attempt to make us all appear to be unpatriotice because we don't agree with what they're saying. I don't think they shouldn't be allowed to say it, just that I think they're wrong.
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youngred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 04:01 PM
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35. Thank you to everyone for your kind words
and the homepage nod. I'm glad to know you all feel the way I do
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 04:40 PM
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36. fabulous article.............a small correction
you write.....

It was not Conservatives who fought for civil rights for African Americans. It was African-Americans along with other traditionally disenfranchised groups (Catholics and Jews) that stood up and said this injustice cannot stand.

it was also real Christians....

--Christians and Jews as well as many others went to MS in MS Summer 1964

--when the marchers were attacked in Selma, Christians as well as many others went to Selma......a minister from NE was murdered in Selma the nite before the march and a Catholic mother from MI who ferried people back and forth was murdered


there are many real Christians, even so baptists as I was then, who believed then and believe now the words of the song I sang often in so baptist Sunday school:

Jesus loves the little children. all the children of the world.
Red and yellow, black and white,
they are precious in His sight.
Jesus loves the children of the world.

WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND: how people who sang this as children in church can support the killing in Iraq and are indifferent to W's callous playing with US support of the Asian people in desparate need.
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youngred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 04:43 PM
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37. you are correct
I was referring to the large groups from the north who had previously been persecuted for their religion and also hated by the KKK and such.

the awful cooption of religion and christianity by these people is apalling. I could write a companion piece making the exact same point about Christianity.
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LiberalUprising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 09:03 PM
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38. Excellent letter YR
Sums up my and I'm sure many, many others feelings

Thanks
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 09:52 PM
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39. It was good to see this on the front page...
Yeah, I'll join you in taking back OUR nation from those who are destroying the very things that have made us the greatest nation on earth.
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chomskysright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 09:53 PM
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40. THE UGLY AMERICAN = the culture of narcissism....
Christopher Lasch is one of the first to have described this mentality some 25 years ago:

The Culture of Narcissism (as I am a psychologist, this makes sense to me):

. . individuals cannot learn to speak for themselves at all, much less come to an intelligent understanding of their happiness and wellbeing, in a world in which there are no values except those of the market. . . . the market tends to universalize itself. It does not easily coexist with institutions that operate according to principles that are antithetical to itself: schools and universities, newspapers and magazines, charities, families. Sooner or later the market tends to absorb them all. It puts an almost irresistable presure on every activity to justify itself in the only terms it recognizes: to become a business proposition, to pay its own way, to show black ink on the bottom line. It turns news into entertainment, scholarship into professional careerism, social work into the scientific management of poverty. Inexorably it remodels every institution in its own image.

Revolt of the Elites.
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Blossom Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 11:05 PM
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41. Thank you for this wonderful article!
I have been reading the articles in DU this past year but this is my very first post. I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for this beautifully written article! It is EXACTLY the way I feel right now as an American that truly loves my country... This is the only place that I can come and feel that I am not alone in the world. It seems as if aliens have come to America and sucked the brains out of people and they can not see what is happening right before their very eyes! Reading your article has let me know that there are still people out there that see things for what they are. I too, have been made to feel un-American and unpatriotic for my beliefs that this war is WRONG. I sent emails to my friends asking them to send rice to the White House in opposition to going to war before we started down this path of death and despair... you would not believe the things that some "friends" of mine said to me in response! No one on this earth loves this country more than I do. I would go and fight to my death to defend/protect America, but; this war is not JUSTIFIED! I literally am ashamed of the actions of my country! These people make you feel that you are not supporting our troops if we disagree with the war! NOT TRUE. It is the administration that made the decision to send our troops to be slaughtered in a land where they've been at war for centuries over religious beliefs. Every time I see someone in their big gas-guzzeling suv with the yellow ribbon stickers I just want to puke. Speaking of religion that our Christian President is so proud to flaunt, I do not believe that the actions he has taken are what Jesus would have done. I am sorry to be so lengthy in my post, but it sure felt good to get all this out and I thank God for this eloquent article and all the other people posting in DU as I know that I have not completely lost my mind... the aliens haven't gotten to us all yet! :grouphug:
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 11:51 PM
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44. Welcome to DU, Blossom!
Funny you make the alien connection. Kurt Vonnegut gave a wonderful interview about the pod people our neighbors have become:

http://inthesetimes.com/comments.php?id=38_0_4_0_C

He really kicks ass!
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Blossom Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 03:27 PM
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47. Thanks for the link!
I also LOVED his "not so closeted white supremacists, aka "Christians", and psychopathic personalities, or "PP's." And those who are now in charge of the federal government are "upper crust C-students who know no history or geography". What a wonderful read. THANK YOU!
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youngred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:10 PM
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45. Welcome to DU
and I am honored that this was your first post!
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Jackie97 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 11:29 PM
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43. America belongs to liberals and conservatives.
That's something both sides don't appear to get. We were both born here, raised here, and want to make the place what we consider to be better.

I do think that progressive values are what make this country great. I've sensed learned that many conservatives have a revisionist version of history where conservatives didn't stand in the way of stuff like freeing the slaves. (They don't call today's conservatives "neo-conservatives" for nothing!).

I never had a lot of patriotism before September 11th. For the first time, I realized I was an American. When I realized it was our foreign policy causing most of the problems and that most Americans were in the dark about it, I saw it as my patriotic duty to get the word out about our foreign policy. I saw American people as the victims of a biased media and educational system. I've seen it as my patriotic duty for years to "fight for my country" against Bush's wanting to turn back the clock on so many progressive ideas. My elders fought for so many progressive ideas, and that bastard wants to throw it all away.

But of course, I was considered to be anti-American for it. Then, the elections happened. I already knew Bush might win, but I was numb once it happened. It's like 99.9% of my patriotism has been cut off because I almost feel like it's been proven that America is mostly the conservative white male fundamentalist's country; not mine. A Republican president is one thing, but Bush just seemed like a betrayal to me. It's like many Americans declared that the world didn't matter and neither did the liberals/minority Americans. Some people might be feeling just as strongly about Kerry. What's so funny is that most Americans don't see their support of Bush or anybody else as betrayal or a showing a contempt for others. I try to keep that in mind, but my patriotism is still lacking now a days. It's not that I hate America. It's that I just don't care for the most part. I just don't care. I still want to fight for change though for the sake of other countries and for the sake of people that I care about. When I fight for abortion rights, I think about female family members. I think "I'm doing this for them!" Ditto for stopping this possible draft that supposedly isn't going to happen. It might not happen, but I'm still prepared to fight tooth and nail to stop it because it apparently will require that all Americans from now on do compulsory work. I care about people (especially those in my life) too damn much to not fight for change. I used to see it as fighting for my country. Now, I just see it as fighting for people. I think that's what a lot of my elders probably thought when they fought for progressive ideas in the 1960s. It's about people. Of course, I plan on getting on with life and already have. Otherwise, it's like saying Bush owns me.

What's so bad though is that while 99.9% of my patriotism is gone at the moment, there's still that less than one percent that's haunting me. It sucks. I feel like many have made it clear that it's not my country, but a part of me still actually cares. I wish I'd stop.

I can't believe I just came this clean about my feelings about patriotism. There's a time when I would have been scared to death to reveal any lack of patriotism in fear of being raked over the coals. I couldn't help how I felt though. I questioned a lot about why the US was the best country. It made people angry that I even questioned things. The feeling of patriotism was never real to me before September 11th. It wasn't artificial "You need to stand for the pledge" type of patriotism. It wasn't a "This is the best country in the world" type of patriotism, but it was a real pride for once. It was real, but I feel like a lot of it is gone now.
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youngred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:15 PM
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46. Thank you for sharing that
your fighting for other people is far more noble than some who fight just for country or just for themselves. Espeically when you fight for those people you will never meet and who's gratitude you'll never know. I hope you can refind your patriotism in the beatuiful parts of this land (High school football games, charity marathons, the land, neighborhoods of people who watch each other's homes and help each other's children grow, etc) and ignore or fight the parts that seem a betrayl to you.

Peace be with you and keep up the good fight
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