Am I the only one who truly believes that democracy is dead.

[hang a left]

That SOMEONE(S) hijacked our system. That 9-11, under the very best of circumstances, was allowed to happen. That these people lied this country into Iraq. That the Vice President leaked the identity of a covert CIA operative. Where are those energy papers DICK? Our voting system has been corrupted. The Patriot Act. I just started paying attention 4 years ago. And this presidential election was the last straw for me. I held onto the hope that all was not lost. I don't for a minute believe that this America voted that embecile into a second term. Don't even get me started on Bush V Gore or the media.

I need to commiserate. I have been spending too much time in other forums reading green pea posts.

[DELUSIONAL]

1. One has to be delusional to believe that the US is a democracy

thus my user name.

[nickinSTL]

2. No, you're not

I don't hold out much hope for the electoral reform some of the Dems talked about in the Senate.

And without MAJOR reform, elections from now on will be nothing but show to keep the people in line.

[info being]

3. Of course its dead

[bpilgrim]

4. why you think DU is so POPULAR

:evilgrin:

welcome to DU :toast:

peace

[Benhurst]

5. Yes, but we just gave the Republic a nice funeral.

[benddem]

6. this is so sad

we don't have a "free press" to expose this stuff. Now I hear the gropenator is planning the same redistricting CRAP. Delay just made me sick. I don't know if it is possible to get back what we had.

[bpilgrim]

9. the WHOLE WORLD is watching

and thank GORE he 'INVENTED' the INTERNETs so we can access the news from around the GLOBE and especially elad and skinner and the rest of the PATRIOTS who CONTRIBUTE to this COMMUNITY :toast:

peace

[complain jane]

15. I agree. And I'm extremely disappointed that all of the things

mentioned in the first post in this thread are apparently allowed to run rampant, unchecked.

[two gun sid]

7. Please hang on

All is not lost. We have suffered through tough times before. Keep fighting the Bush Administration, giving up will kill democracy. Today was just the first shot in the war against tyranny. You cannot expect to bring this gang of criminals down in one fell swoop. Do not kid yourself, today was a kick in the nuts for the repugs. We need to keep kicking them. We need to punch them in the throat. Hey, 4 yrs ago no senator would stand up and what Boxer did today took courage. We need to protect her. You will be able to see how much it hurt Bushco by the intensity of the repug attack on her. Did you see DeLay on the house floor? I thought his head was gonna explode. Don't think this objection did not put a stink on chimps presidency.


Don't Give Up The Ship!

[bryant69]

13. Second this opinion

I'm not looking at America with Rose Colored Glasses--clearly there is a lot of work that needs to be done. But it can be done.

"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." - Margaret Mead

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[gpandas]

8. after a long and proud battle...

democracy was pronounced dead shortly after the 2004 election, death coming quite rapidly on the heels of the demise of fresh air, truth, and responsibility. laid to rest within hours of the last election, democracy had been taking quite a beating in the last four years and the end had not surprised many. sadly missed by du.

[giant_robot]

10. I'm not ready to give last rites to our country just yet.

Democracy is not dead in the United States. It's been sucker-punched and kicked in the nuts, but not quite dead yet.

[Jose Diablo]

11. No, your right

Democracy died a long time ago though, Nov. 22, 1963. We only thought we could make a difference using the "system". Imagine that, it took 42 years to figure it out.

[radwriter0555]

12. Democracy in the USA is indeed dead. The 4th Reich is now upon us,

the new hitler is in power, in OUR white house, using OUR Constitution as toilet paper, and his supporters are the New Americanazis.

I figure it will take a good 10 - 15 years for them to be ousted and for a new honest and ethical government to take their place.

I'm leaving in June and maybe I'll come back when the regime is ousted for good.

[WoodrowFan]

14. almost

not quite yet, but almost.

[txaslftist]

16. NOT EVEN CLOSE...

Democracy is alive and getting out of bed and getting ready to kick the thuglicans in the nuts.

WE are democracy, and our site is getting more hits every day. Our reps are finally starting to realize they have to stand up, tears and all, and stand up for us.

We are the emerging democratic majority. We will be counted, and we are making a comeback.

COME ON, FELLOW DEMOCRATS! WITH PATIENCE WE CAN AND WE WILL PREVAIL!

[Megawatt]

17. I will 3rd party this as to not make it a personal attack

But some of the hyperbole on DU is just so over the top.

I would suggest that people who really believe that a new Hitler is in power and has stolen 2 elections are on the moral equivalency of the good Germans in the 1930s. Why do I say that? Because if people really believe the above nonsense - why are they wasting time posting on an internet bulletin board instead of being part of an armed insurgency against said fascists? I would suggest it would be a lack of moral courage and unwillingness to risk your comfortable lifestyles. Read what the signers of the Declaration of Independence put on the line when they went up against the regime - by force of arms.

I know for a fact that if I really believed Nazi's had stolen 2 elections - I would part of or instigate whatever violent movement was needed.

American government and political policy can be compared to a huge ocean liner. The inertia insures that the most it can be steered is 10 degrees right or left. When Bush starts injecting dye into brown eyed children to see if he can make them blue, then you can believe we have a new Hitler. So far he has lowered the marginal income tax 2% lower than what you would like it and started an unpopular war - which in regard to popularity is like every other war in our history except WWII - unpopular with a good segment of the populace. Read a little history on the first war after our revolution - the New England states almost seceded rather than be part of a new war against the Brits.I also told my conservative friends at work that the country would survive John Kerry - when democrats run a billionaire that wants to confiscate people's assets in excess of $1 million dollars - then we are probably on the road to true revolutionary change anything else is just the ocean liner steering 10 degrees right or left.

The body politic is self correcting - the neocons day is passing. I doubt one could even secure the nomination after 4 more years of treasure and lives spent on what now being touted by the neo-cons as a Wilsonian inspired jihad to bring democracy to the planet (whether that is the real reason isn't important - thats what is being sold)-- Well guess what - most real conservatives don't believe in that crap(interfering in foreign affairs for any reason but true self defense/self interest) and most liberals don't believe that is the motivation. So like I said the neo con movement is on the downslide IMO.

Well I've got my flame suit on and my walking boots since I'm sure it's apparent I'm not a progressive democrat - I am someone who's sick of the neo con foreign policy, and someone who would like to see politicians working for us instead of corporations.

Republicans can probably hold power for a generation and do whatever they want with social policy - since those issues never really mattered to me - here is how you can get back to at least a divided goverment , which based on the 90s seems to work better than what we have now.

Run someone who is going to put our economy first--

Start controlling our border. Instead of an unlimited supply of illegal immigrant labor willing to work at $4 an hour, make the meathouses and other corporations figure out that if you pay $15 an hour American citizens WILL do those types of jobs. The larger the supply of labor the greater the downward pressure on wages - rule #1 of economics. American citizens will bus restaurants, wash dishes etc for livable wages - happens all the time in state like North Dakota. You just have to pay a decent wage. There is no such thing as a job an American won't do - just jobs that Americans won't do at the prevailing wages corporations and rich white Los Angelenos on the west side want to pay their gardeners. If there are jobs citizens won't do - said rich white Americans can learn to cut their damn grass themselves.

Secondly run someone willing to back out of all this free trade. If a country doesn't pay its manufacturing base comparable wages to what we pay ours - then corporations can't import goods from said country. Rebuild what has been the best source of good paying jobs through our history - manufacturing. American elites didn't give a rats ass when the steel mills in Youngstown started closing in the 70s, in fact they welcomed the disappearance of those noisy polluting smokestacks. Now suddenly its a crisis when it's computer programming jobs going overseas. Find a way to re-connect with Joe six pack - the guy that doesn't want to go to college, doesn't want to program computers, doesn't want to write articles for Move On - just a guy that wants a good paying job. Run someone who promises to stop trading with China and other 3rd world sweat shops, someone with the balls to do that - and enforce our border, and he will win 60% of the vote. That person could have a D or an R after his name. If it's a D , I suspect that person will be more likely to fund social programs, stay out of our bedrooms etc - all of which can be the by product of a revived manufacturing based economy. Or we can go the way wer'e going - laying to waste our manufacturing base, outsourcing everything we can and making sure that the service jobs left over are manned by a labor pool supply that is so much greater than demand that the prevailing wage becomes $5. The race to the bottom can be turned around but its not going to be unless some party gets the message.

Ok , its probably apparent that I'm not a progressive democrat, I'm conservative but just disillusioned with the neo cons so I'm sure I will be locked out, I do want to say that everyone has been very gracious to me here. But back to my original point - the hyperbole about Bush here is not backed up by ANYONE'S actions - so therefore I conclude that either moral courage is lacking or the melodramatic hyperbole is not really believed by those spouting it.