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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 07:10 PM
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Here is the big picture
(Yes I am crosposting from the 2004 election board)

Ok, ok so some are pissed becuase you hoped this woudl overturn the election. The only way it could have happened is if we contested the votes in Mew Mexico, Florida, OH, Nevada, aka all the places were we know there are serious problems... for those of you who don't know what this means, read the Thylden - Hayes decision.

Now the big picture is that today we got a debate on both chambers about our broken electoral system.

The big picture is that this is but one battle in a war to reclaim the country

The big picture is that this can be our waterloo if people are so dammed pissed they do not realize this and drop out.

The big picture is that this was a Rosa Parks Moment.

The big picture is that this is, if we choose to grab the moment, the begining of a movement, not the end.

The big picture is that this is going to take YEARS.

The big picture is that we need to do this from the grass roots

The big picture is that this is up to us, and it has always been up to us.

Some things you can do.

RUN, yes RUN, for local Democratic Party Office.

GO to the meetings.

Run for local office.

Work at the grassroots.

MARCH

Demonstrate,

WEAR ORANGE from now on, in some way, shape or form and FRAME orange as CLEAN ELECTIONS, in the winter go for Red Gloves.

DOCUMENT

Be the media.

Your other option is to continue to seat behind yoru computer screen and get pissed off and write how pissed off you are... and continue to bitch and moan. Democracy is still alive, in this country, today she was given some Epinephrine... but she is barely fighting, and I may add, this is not a spectator sport.

One more thing... how much are you willing to sacrifice for this fight? Your future, your life?

We are stepping in line with those patriots at Concord, as well as those patriots at Selma... we are trying to fill HUGE shoes... but we are those patriots, and it is time we retake the country, step by step, by step... but bitching and moaning will not help. Or for that matter having unrealistic expectations, or asking the impossible from people, and someday you may understand why most democrats did not stand up today... as is the consequences for California and Tubbs district will be felt and will be hard. Yet this is the price we all pay for Democracy.

My advise for both Boxer and Tubbs, from now on, avoid small planes...

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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 07:15 PM
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1. People really need to snap out of it and get real. There was no way to
stop bush** from being inaugurated. But this was the first shot in taking back our country. And if the weak and whiny drop out now, they're just handing every future election to liars, murderers, thieves, and traitors.
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wildeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 07:22 PM
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2. I am with you nadinbrzezinski.
The 2004 election was just a warm up for me. I learned about grassroots organizing on the fly, and I got better at it as the year progressed. Now I have skills and a few contacts, I am not giving up and letting all that work go to waste. Besides, what choice do I have? Give up? No.
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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 07:22 PM
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3. Thank you for your realistic (as usual) view.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 07:35 PM
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4. Let me share my less realistic dream
Edited on Thu Jan-06-05 07:37 PM by nadinbrzezinski
last night I dreamt that the challenge to OH and FL and the rest of the gang was done. I also dreamt that every congressman and every senator, except the leadership of BOTH parties was behind it... and that their Thyden Hayes decision was... a revote across the nation for all elections who had any signes of tamepering, with PAPER ballots and clear plastic boxes and hand count.

Now that was my flight of fancy... but this morning I knew it would not happen...

Oh and the Republicans were led by Ron Paul, who else, on the house and for the Senate... either McCain or Snowe I am not sure, that was fuzzy.

Yes this even led to the voting out of many a newly elected member who won by hook or crook, and many did not even know it.

Yep that was my fantasy.

:-)

Oh and the fantasy got even better, we got the House, the Senate and the Presidency, wiht a swearing in oh by May... and a lanslide of historic proportions...

Yep that was my fantasy...

So to see the reality of Boxer challenging with Tubbs, was SWEET!!!!!
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 07:39 PM
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5. And we might have
If we'd focused on the machine malfunctions and voting process supression two months ago. If we'd shown that these were problems across the country which could have more easily thrown the whole election in doubt. Instead, we wasted valuable time on statistical analyses and hacking which we were never going to be able to prove. It's been very frustrating to me and it's been especially frustrating to be considered a traitor because I thought we needed to go in a different direction.
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 08:08 PM
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6. Kick
For the smart grrl. This needs to be said and said again. And again.
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