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nickshepDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 01:23 PM
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Where in the Gonzales memo does it openly endorse torture?
Im not defending the guy but I cant find any part of the memo that openly endorses torture.

Memo:
http://www.hereinreality.com/alberto_gonzales_torture_memo.html
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nickshepDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 01:26 PM
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1. kick
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 01:29 PM
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2. It is not fully released - becausae it does endorse torture-and the Senate
is not going to fight to get all the memos into the record

There are some Court cases that will get more than the currently availavle "reference to Gonzales memo" into the public domain - but that will take time.

In any case the guidelines that are known exceed what most folks thought were the beginnings of torture.

Waterboarding is not a California sport!

:-)
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 01:29 PM
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3. apparently where he says the Geneva Conventions rules on treatment of
prisoners does not apply to the United States actions against suspected terrorists.

Bu$h did say that we are in a 'War against Terror', and it is going about as good as the 'war on drugs' and the 'war on Poverty'..
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TOOLZ Donating Member (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 01:34 PM
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4. TOOLZ EXCLUSIVE: Gonzales defends Abu Ghraib Ringleader!
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 01:35 PM
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5. I'm not a lawyer, but this is what I get out of it...
He rules the Geneva conventions as obsolete, he redefines POW status to avoid accountability, & he skirts the War Crimes Act, to name a few.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 01:40 PM
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6. Wrong memo
The August 2002 memo is the one on torture that was used to guide DoD interrogations until it was replaced a few weeks ago. The one you've got is the one that puts terrorists outside Geneva Conventions and says Bush has the authority to allow torture, I think.

Here's the 8/2002 memo:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/documents/dojinterrogationmemo20020801.pdf
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 01:41 PM
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7. He endorses torture by saying
that the Geneva convention DOES NOT apply.

And he basis this on shaky ground wrt the Taliban, a government who with right up until 9/11 we were doing business with and our government was giving money to.

He also declares that the Taliban wasn't a government, but a military organization. What the hell was Nazi Germany then? A peace organization.

This guy should have no business even applying for the job.

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