Bill Clinton is a Jerk.

[Disturbed]

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0108-01.htm

Clinton said on the same program: "I voted for the other fellow, but President Bush won this election fair and square. And he ought to - he ought to be able to have his inaugural. And his supporters should be able to celebrate it, however they see fit. And I don't think that it will detract one red cent from the money that we will give privately or publicly to this relief effort."

[ixion]

1. yep, both he and Hillary are happy with the status quo

and not anxious to see any real type of democracy happen.

You can call it the DLC syndrome. :-(

[graywarrior]

2. The Clinton's are just one side of the same bad penny

[NicRic]

3. Much bigger jerks to fry !

First of all I dont agree with you that President Clinton is a jerk .I may not agree with everything he has to say ,and sometimes I wonder why he is so easy on those that wanted to take him down. However he is no longer in office and I believe we need to focus on the really dangerous jerks around ,and let President Clinton alone. I know one thing foresure from my small business to others around me ,we where all much better off under a Clinton White House, financially and in to many other ways to list !

[Laurab]

19. Exactly!

There are some REAL dangerous people out there - Clinton has always been good at politics-speak (it was one of the things that got him elected twice.) I certainly disagree with him on this one, and I wish he would stop making public statements in support of *, but I just don't think it's ever been in his nature to be confrontational with the powers-that-be. He would fight them when he had to, but he was way too easy on them even then.

Nonetheless I think he's a good man, and I certainly enjoyed the 8 years of relative peace and prosperity we had when he was president. I think we need to concentrate on the truly dangerous "fish", and there are a whole lot of them.

[B Calm]

4. During President Clinton's two terms, I never

always agreed with his decisions or opinions. This is one of those times I disagree with him!

[Disturbed]

6. B. Clinton is a Pro level con man,.

Yeah, he is charming and charismatic but now he is Rethug Lite and
kissing Bush Junta ass. Not just on this but on many other issues.

[Ian David]

5. He only said that because he boffed Bush's intern

Clinton was a great president, but his leadership was exceeded only by his libido.

When he said, "I feel your pain," what he really meant was, "Would you like a sympathy fuck?"

[WildClarySage]

7. OMG The CLENIS is back!!!!

I didn't always agree with Clinton either, but I did feel one hell of a lot safer with him as prez. I didn't worry about nukes, because we were scaling back the proliferation of the '80s. I didn't worry about money because the market was strong. And I didn't worry about war and my son being drafted because he was a statesman with excellent diplomatic skills.

Now I'm worried.

[demnan]

8. You have to look at this from his perspective

All the time he was President the right wing criticized him for every little thing from a hair cut to his sexual life. Every minute of every day he was hounded by the right. He probably feels a sense of protectiveness toward the office of President of the United States and anyone who is in that office, he probably feels is entitled to live his life and perform his duties if he was elected.

Let it go. This man has done a lot more good for the country and for the party than any number of strict ideologues

[rodeodance]

10. yes, leave the clinton (s) bashing to the Right!! they do not need it

from us!!

[Deja Q]

12. So, no room for individuals or free thinking? Either be with us or the

enemy? Is that what you're condoning?

[papau]

15. re minor nitpicking about that which has no policy effect - Lounge perhaps

I don't see it as important.

Sounds a bit like the GOP tactic of screaming moral values as they screw the middle class.

[bryant69]

9. I think he's right

I mean I think President Bush won the election, which sucks, and I think that it's unreasonable to expect them to call off the inauguration.

Frankly I think we have bigger fishes to fry, like social security and Iraq and providing adequate aid in response to the Tsunami and so on and so forth.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[Deja Q]

11. 'the other fellow'? From one DLClicker to another?!

:crazy: :eyes:

I'm not surprised that (a) he'd not say Kerry by name yet would for *, (b) what's Clinton trying to protect when supporting * like this (did Clinton overspend too?), and, perhaps, more signficiantly (c) he's vieing against Kerry for his own personal political future. And (c) is all that matters in the end.

This is our country and our countrymen. Get used to it. It's all a game for power to them. To them and everyone else.

[Nimrod]

17. 1-2-3-4 I declare a flame war :)

I used to admire Clinton like few others. I grew to admire Kerry like few others. In the aftermath of this whole sick debacle, I have started to slide back toward the "Same Shit Different Piles" mode of thought. There just doesn't seem to be much to have faith in anymore. Money, power, and spin-doctoring (in that order) seem to be the only "values" left in anyone. Maybe that's all there ever was.

[Ruck]

22. Clinton Kerry

I cannot believe what I hear. Some of you are against Clinton and Kerry and that arm of the party. If not them, what is left? Sharpton, Dennis K, Barbara Boxer,Polosi Etc. Well if you run any of them anywhere than their own district you may get 5 % of the vote. Middle America will never vote for them!

I am Serious---who would you guys run--and be realistic ?????

Remember, what we are doing isn't working

[Nimrod]

23. I'm the wrong person to ask

I don't believe we elect anyone anymore. I'm not sure we have for a very long time. I believe the so-called "candidates" are hand picked based on what will best keep the people distracted and entertained given the current mood of the nation.

Look at this last "election" and ask yourself when anybody ever spoke about anything even remotely important. The whole thing was a distraction - something more for stupid-ass Americans to squabble and name-call over so they'd leave the elite alone to go about business as usual. It's been this way for a long time, but all the stops were pulled out during this revolting display and it worked like a charm. Hook, line, and sinker.

If nothing else, ask yourself who the last presidential candidate was who wasn't already fabulously wealthy? It's a closed system. If this was truly the open and free electoral system we like to pretend it is, I could nominate you and get you on the ballot. But it doesn't work that way. To be a presidential candidate you must be elite, fabulously wealthy, catalyzing, and malleable. You have to know the right people who are already in power. The common man is not allowed in that court, period. The whole game is rigged, bought, sold, and paid for.

That's how I feel. Can't help it.

[Philly Buster]

29. Votescam, The Stealing of America,

a book written at least 10 years ago, is about exactly what you described. I read it a few years ago and can't remember any details but it really opened my eyes. I'm glad your post reminded me of it so I can re-read it. It is so timely.

[katinmn]

13. Maybe he's doing reconnaissance work

[cleofus1]

14. Clinton's the Big Dog...

And all you weinies who rag on him are just lame o's...
Bill and Hillary RULE!

[AliciaKeyedUp]

16. It's good to see this isn't just a Bill-bashing thread

I think he's right. It's silly to expect the innaugural be called off. And I'm glad to see that he is helping raise funds for the relief work.

[Ruck]

20. She is right

This hate everything Bush or the Republicans do is only losing us votes and respect. Bill Clinton is the smartest politician I know. At least some of us could go along with getting money for tsunami victims being bipartisan. If we can't agree with that then we are in bad shape. Sure Bush is running that--He is the President for goodness sake. From everything that is investigated, Bush won this election outright, even Clinton and Kerry agree. Why? Because the American people see what a mean bunch of sore losers we are. We are against everything. We can deny this but if we do we will be relegated to just discussions on a website, not real power. Sour grapes and meanness will never win us anything. We have to wise up. Clinton understands this and he knows how to play this game--but we only criticize him for it.

[neebob]

18. Fair and square?!

What - is he a stand-up comedian now?

[Spike from MN]

24. I'm with you on that.

I don't understand why the Dems keep stating publicly that this was a "fair" election when it's obvious that it was rigged.

[Ruck]

31. fair election

83% of Americans think the election was fair. Maybe it was and maybe it wasn't but with 4 million votes difference--that's a lot. The Democrats keep saying it was fair because they think it was. Why else would they say it? Now don't kill the messenger--I am just giving you the facts as they are now. It is called reality.

[SweetLeftFoot]

21. As an Aussie lefty

while I found Clinton rather charasmatic (and amusing), I never for one minute thought of him or his policies as even vaguely left. Slightly, ever so slightly progressive yes, but not left. The best that can be said for him is that he ehld the line against the rising fundies and rrighties.

[BiggJawn]

25. What's up with him?

"Say it ain't so, Bubba!"

Sounds like "I got mine, fuck the rest Y'all."

[indepat]

26. If W won fair and square, we the people certainly will get the government

we so richly, its every policy decision, including destruction of the Federal treasury, the dollar, civil liberties, social security, and medicare, and its every action, including pre-emptives wars and destruction of the environment and international good will.

[Boo]

27. I'm really tired of that either/or attitude

Clinton might disagree with most of us on this issue, but he's still the best president in recent history and a great man.

Calling him a jerk because of this is just stupid.

There was a thread recently, where a very intelligent DUer complained about the fact that we tend view politicians as either brave heroes or slimey traitors soulely based on their latest actions.
I agree with him.

[CWebster]

28. He should get off the stage

Because of his unwillingness to step down and reliquish his status, the party stagnates and the taint of Clinton still dominates the party. He needs to step aside and allow for new voices, new faces to ignite a challenge, instead of this continual show of solidarity with criminals--in the hopes that folks will like him.

[AP]

30. White women abandoned the Democrats in droves because of fear of terror.

Let them have their party.

[quiet.american]

33. That one I will never understand. n/t

[AP]

34. Fear. Strict father morality.

I have a friend who tells a story about how she and her father pulled up to her house one day when she was very little. A guy was parking on the street next to their house and got his tires up on their lawn leaving deep muddy tire marks. Her father got out of the car and absolutely ripped into this much younger man who probably could have beat her father up. Instead the guy cowered.

She said the feeling she had at that moment was that her father meant safety to her -- he was willing to do anything to protect the family and the home.

Only when she was much older did she think that maybe a short temper like that could have put them in greater danger.

[quiet.american]

32. "Firm in public, absolutely brutal in private"

"Be firm in public, absolutely brutal in private"

This is a quote from Clinton a few years ago when he was being interviewed in regard to policy -- can't remember which one, he'd already left office -- but it struck me then this was probably the window into his "style."

I've also just finished Hillary's book and found even she grows exasperated with his seeming "see the best in everyone" outlook.

Truthfully, the fact he used the words, "fair and square" in the sentence leave me completely bewildered, but I'd still take Clinton as prez any day over Kerry and the Giggling Murderer.

[earth mom]

35. Clinton has totally lost

me since the election. I never was a huge fan of his, but his kiss ass behavior towards old Dubya & Co lately really has made me see him as a blatant opportunist. To call Kerry "the other fellow" was just about the rudest and most disrespectful thing I've heard from him to date. Clinton is a jerk and then some-no doubt about that.

[Moderator]

36. Locking

Inflammatory and flame bait

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