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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 01:43 PM
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What's wrong with these people?!
I got an e-mail forwarded to me by a college friend, and I cannot believe it! I am so sick of gay-bashing crap, and here I get it in my mailbox. She sent me this:

UPDATE: Homosexual Attorneys from Justice Department Advise Philadelphia Police On Arresting Christians
One Internet news service says not to expect an investigation because of the involvement of the Justice Department homosexual attorneys


Dear Muriel,

A few days ago I wrote you about the situation in Philadelphia in which four Christians were arrested. They are charged with eight crimes, including three felonies: possession of instruments of crime (a bullhorn), ethnic intimidation (saying that homosexuality is a sin), and inciting a riot (reading from the Bible some passages relating to homosexuality) despite the fact that no riot occurred.

They face a possible 47 years in prison and fines of $90,000 each. Now we have learned more about this horrible travesty of justice.

According to WorldNetDaily, "Homosexual attorneys from the U.S. Justice Department Civil Rights Division not only attended (the) large homosexual event…but they advised police on the scene who arrested 11 Christian protesters, says a source in the agency." (Charges against some of the Christians have been dropped.)

The WorldNetDaily article went on to say the U.S. Justice Department is "not likely to take up the cause of the five criminally charged Christians who believe Philadelphia officials violated their civil rights."

Did you catch that? The Justice Department will refuse to investigate the treatment of the arrested Christians because some homosexual attorneys from the Justice Department were advising the Philadelphia police on how to arrest the Christians!!!!

WorldNetDaily, quoting their source inside the Justice Department, said the Christians were charged with "ethic intimidation (hate crimes) 'at the recommendation of some of our (Department of Justice) attorneys who were at the march.'"

In fact, Chief Inspector Tiano, who serves as liaison to the homosexual community, testified at the preliminary hearing that he met at least four times with the organizers of the Outfest event in anticipation of the protesters' activities, presumably to discuss how to handle the "Christians" when they showed up at the event. He also said he had 40 officers on site that day. He did not meet with any of the Christians!

There appears to be collusion in this travesty of justice that goes to high levels of both the Justice Department and Philadelphia. A trail date will be set soon.

Would you stand with these Christians who are defending our constitutional right of free speech? We are asking you to stand with these four Christians by doing the following actions.

Send the email to the Department of Justice asking for an investigation of this situation. Click here to send your email.

Help us with a financial gift. AFA attorneys from our Center for Law and Policy are representing the Philadelphia 4 at no cost to the Christians. A gift of $15, less than a cup of coffee once a month for a year, will go a long way in helping AFA cover our costs. Click here to make a donation.

One final request. Please forward this to your friends and family. And thanks for caring enough to get involved.
Sincerely,

Don

Donald E. Wildmon, Founder and Chairman
American Family Association

P.S. Please forward this email to family and friends.


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I included their contact info because I think we need to do something! God, they're totally sick! This is the e-mail I sent back:

Dear XXXXX,

I still haven't had time to properly reply to your wonderful Christmas and New Year's e-mail, but I had a couple of minutes to look over this forward and reply. I think you need to know that I am a political liberal, and I believe in all humans having equal rights. I am extremely uncomfortable with the assumption in that so-called story that the people who were arrested were Christian and that everyone else was not. I am even more uncomfortable with the gay-bashing attitude against the attorneys (apparently, they're gay first (which has not been confirmed, but what the heck--it's a label, and we're going to use it) and attorneys second. I am not suprised at all that this administration does not care about anyone's civil rights, and it's about time that right-wing Christians figure that out.

Frankly, I am suprised that you even would believe it, let alone forward it to your list. Don't you remember the hell that our GLBT friends went through at the Naz? I only had one friend who actually graduated--and that was solely by the grace of God. Everyone else was forced to leave, either by social pressure or by Student Development. Remember YYYYY? They did everything they could to mess him up, and it took him years afterward to even be able to love himself. Wow. That sure was loving our neighbor, wasn't it? People who use our faith to attack our neighbors have obviously misunderstood the Gospels and the point of our Christian faith. Those protestors were screaming hatred at people, but they were arrested only because they're true Christians? That's a load of crap. I seriously doubt our Lord and Savior would've been in their midst, screaming hatred and nastiness at people he died for.

I'm sorry, but I'm not going to just delete this stuff anymore--I want them to actually think about the propaganda and realize that they're being brainwashed. Who's with me?
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 01:45 PM
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1. Wildmon is a lunatic
Anyone who supports Wildmon is supporting bushco. They feed off one another.
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 01:58 PM
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2. Anyone who accepts worldnet as a legitimate news source isn't
worth debating with.
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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 02:03 PM
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3. Here's my reply to your college "friend"
Edited on Mon Jan-10-05 02:04 PM by fob
Oh my god! I can't believe bush* has homo attorneys in his Justice Department! I expected more gay hatred than that from Our Dear Leader! I believe he may be a secret part of the homosexual agenda and has duped us fine homo-hating fundamentalist christians! I wish I could take back my vote for him! I didn't spend all those years rocking my head back and forth in agreement with rush and hating the Klintoon's just to have bush* do exactly what we were defending against Klintoon doing! I am so disheartened I just might vote for Hitlery in 2008, might as well with this gang. Can't even keep some homo attorneys from ruining a good christian hate fest!?! Why bother. I thought bush* was born-again, apparently for some it takes more than 2 births to get it right.

Now if you believe any of THAT, then you DID vote for bush* and are as sorry a motherfucker as that prick is. Now fuck off, go away and never contact me again, not necessarily in that order, idiot.

Cheers,

FOB (Proud member of reality-based real world)


That's what I would send back. Feel free to use and/or edit for your use in any way you see fit.

BTW: This is the second such post where an old "friend" issues an offensive e-mail. I can't recall the other poster's name but there are 2 threads about it and that particular poster cut the friendship. I'm not saying you have to do the same jsut thought it interesting. Especially since I got an e-mail from a 20 plus year friendship friend and sent back a similar response to the above. So that makes 3 instances in the last 24 hours, has the VRWC expanded to the grassroots level whereby normally average republicans have been instructed to "push the last nerve button" on all their liberal friends? If so that can only mean one thing, the culture war is afoot! And if that is what's happening, I say "Bring. It. On. Fuckers."
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BrainRants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 02:08 PM
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4. Here's the other "old college friend" email from yesterday.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 05:24 PM
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5. I can't cut this one off
She was a good friend in college, and I really thought she was better than that. What I think has happened is that, with her husband currently deployed in Afghanistan and two babies at home, she's gotten involved with her church more than usual and with some right-wing military wives. I always was impressed by her critical thinking skills, so this smacks of brainwashing to me. I'm just sad that it happened. We'll see what she e-mails back.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 05:27 PM
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6. I called them today
I went off on some guy's voicemail (they bumped me around a bit in the system--guess they don't know what to do with complaints yet), and I hope I filled up his box. I refuse to let these people hijack my faith anymore! I was physically ill after reading that crap, and I told them so. Those people aren't Christian--they're worse than the Pharisees. How could anyone believe this crap?! For that matter, how could anyone hate anyone else to that level? I don't care what group they're targeting--they are targeting all of us now.
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 06:38 PM
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7. Just off the top of my head....
A few days ago I wrote you about the situation in Philadelphia in which four Christians were arrested. They are charged with eight crimes, including three felonies: possession of instruments of crime (a bullhorn), I am not aware of any such statute as possession of "instruments of crime" Somebody have a thing against bagpipes?
ethnic intimidation (saying that homosexuality is a sin), and inciting a riot (reading from the Bible some passages relating to homosexuality) despite the fact that no riot occurred.


- criminal conspiracy
- ethnic intimidation
- riot (not incitement, but actual riot)
- obstructing a highway
- recklessly endangering another person
- failure to disperse
- disorderly conduct
- possession of an instrument of crime (somebody had bagpipes?)

The story looks to me like the Police, as usual, screwed up and are trying to cover up with ridiculous charges. Looking at the facts, it would appear that they were protest Outfest and when they started the usual yelling and shouting, the Pink Angels peacefully enclosed them and shouted, sand and whistled to drown them out.

The police arrive, overreact, then try to pretend the folks were rioting.

http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/politics/10586941.htm?1c

Now before anyone starts jumping on me, I find these people repulsive, but they have the same First Amendment rights as the rest of us.

Sorry, no gay "conspiracy", just clueless police.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

The taste of Republican butt does not improve with age.

"The NeoCons can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They do not feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And they absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.
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