Should John Kerry be put on the $20 bill?

[LoZoccolo]

[LoZoccolo]

1. I'd be curious to know why not.

Actually, I'd probably not want to know.

[Name removed]

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[LoZoccolo]

3. Oh, this is more open-ended.

Like I mean, ever. It could be a hundred years from now.

[jdonaldball]

25. He seems dead to me

[LWolf]

19. Because Andrew Jackson is already there. n/t

[DulceDecorum]

35. And Andrew Jackson was at least as bad as Hitler

Jackson's record regarding Native Americans was not good. He led troops against them in both the Creek War and the First Seminole War and during his first administration the Indian Removal Act was passed in 1830. The act offered the Indians land west of the Mississippi in return for evacuation of their tribal homes in the east. About 100 million acres of traditional Indian lands were cleared under this law.

Two years later Jackson did nothing to make Georgia abide by the Supreme Court's ruling in Worcester vs. Georgia in which the Court found that the State of Georgia did not have any jurisdiction over the Cherokees. Georgia ignored the Court's decision and so did Andrew Jackson. In 1838-1839 Georgia evicted the Cherokees and forced them to march west. About twenty-five percent of the Indians were dead before they reached their new lands in Oklahoma. The Indians refer to this march as the "Trail of Tears" and even though it took place after Jackson's presidency, the roots of the march can be found in Jackson's failure to uphold the legal rights of Native Americans during his administration.

During Jackson's presidential years two states were admitted to the Union (Arkansas in 1836 and Michigan in 1837) and the rulings of Roger Taney, one of his Supreme Court appointments, had an impact on American life long after Jackson's retirement. In 1836 Taney succeeded John Marshall as chief justice. One of Taney's early rulings gave permission for states to restrict immigration, while another destroyed a transportation monopoly in Massachusetts, establishing for the first time the principle in U.S. law that the public good is superior to private rights. But Taney is best known for his pro-slavery position in the Dred Scott case in 1857. Chief Justice Taney authored the majority opinion which refused to recognize that Congress had the authority to ban slavery in territory areas. In addition he said Blacks were "inferior" beings who had "no rights which the white man was bound to respect."
http://statelibrary.dcr.state.nc.us/nc/bio/public/jackson.htm

[Tacos al Carbon]

37. "At least as bad as Hitler"

At least you didn't trip Godwin's rule in the middle or end of your post. This way, I know to stop reading right after the title.

[DulceDecorum]

48. Do you support what he did?

Or do you merely benefit from it?

[Tacos al Carbon]

53. Godwin's Law

means the discussion is over and, since you brought up Hitler, you lose. Doesn't make you just as bad as Hitler, though.

[JVS]

64. Amen, Godwin's law must be enforced

[LWolf]

55. I see you feel pretty strongly about Jackson.

I'm glad I was able to give you an opportunity to share them. The question I was answering, of course, wasn't "What is your opinion of Andrew Jackson," or "Should Andrew Jackson have been chosen to grace the $20 bill, and why or why not?" or "Who is a better politician or human being, Andrew Jackson or John Kerry?"

The question was, "Should John Kerry be put on the $20 bill?"

My answer is no. I see way too many issues of substance before us as a nation at this time; way too much political destruction happening right now, to spend time and energy on evicting Jackson from our currency.

Maybe when we have solved all of the issues facing us today, and ushered in an unprecedented era of peace, prosperity, social and economic justice, and environmental health, and we've run out of fires to put out, the presence of Andrew Jackson on our currency could rise on the priority list.

Until then, I say no. It has nothing to do with a judgement about Jackson's or Kerry's characters.

[Gyre]

4. I'm sure Kerry is a nice man

but he hasn't done shit to deserve having his face plastered all over our money. Sorry. Oh yeah, and he isn't dead physically (politically may be a different matter).

Gyre

[Peak_Oil]

59. He's a fucking pussy

and should be harassed at all opportunities. "I'll fight for you!" as he falls over backwards with a white flag waving in his face.

I know scumbag lawyers who fight harder for their illegal immigrant plaintiffs than Kerry did for us.

[LoZoccolo]

5. Sub-question - if this were on FR and it was about Reagan...

...what do you think the results would be?

[Az]

7. There would be an option to have Reagan's mug on all bills

Not just the $20

[Eagle_Eye]

39. I would vote to put reagan on the ZERO dollar bill n/t

[RaleighNCDUer]

8. I wouldn't like it, but he actually did serve as president

after a legal election.

Shrub, on the other hand...

[Hunter_1253]

21. What does being president...

Have to do with it? Think about who's on the hundred.

[CarpeVeritas]

51. Benjamin Franklin is VASTLY more important to our history than Kerry.

it's not even a logical comparison.

[CarpeVeritas]

52. reagan WAS president...twice.

but he still doesn't deserve a spot on the currency he helped destroy.

[Az]

6. Nice guy, but why should he be on the $20

I'll stick with Jackson for now. I suspect he will continue to be a much larger name in history.

[imenja]

15. That's a safe bet

[Jack_DeLeon]

9. ¿Por Que?

[NuttyFluffers]

10. well, i don't like andrew jackson, but...

i don't feel kerry is important enough to be on his own currency yet. hell, if they want to put ulysses s. grant on the twenty, hey, go ahead. he may not have done all that much before or after the civil war, wasn't that hot of a president, but he has more of a reason to be in the history books and our currency than john kerry.

but what would really entertain me would be replacing andrew jackson on the $20 with chief joseph. now that'd be a dream. it'll never happen though. it was a miracle sacagewea got on the $1 coin and isn't that already discontinued, yet still in circulation?

[AZCat]

20. Grant is already on a bill

The $50 sports his image. We have a new $50, but it still has his picture (below).

[NuttyFluffers]

22. well i'll be, bet you can see i don't trade in $50s much.

:dunce:

what about Garfield? Van Buren? McKinley? :D

ps: that new fifty looks like ass. ewww.

[AZCat]

26. Here's the list...

......$1.....George Washington
......$2.....Thomas Jefferson
......$5.....Abraham Lincoln
.....$10.....Alexander Hamilton
.....$20.....Andrew Jackson
.....$50.....U.S. Grant
....$100.....Benjamin Franklin
....$500.....William McKinley
..$1,000.....Grover Cleveland
..$5,000.....James Madison
.$10,000.....Salmon P. Chase
$100,000.....Woodrow Wilson


Yeh - the new fifty is heinous, although I like to see a
little color in our money besides the traditional green.



On Edit: trying to get the !#@$%!@#$ to line up sucks.

[Poppyseedman]

28. Those Woodrow Wilson bills

sure are hard to keep crisp. My money clip almost tore one in half the other day

:)

[AZCat]

32. There are still a few running around

There are some in the hands of collectors, but they are hard to get ahold of because they weren't issued to private citizens. All privately held bills of this denomination are held illegally.

From the Bureau of Printing and Engraving money FAQ:
The largest note ever printed by the Bureau of Engraving and Printing was the $100,000 Gold Certificate, Series 1934. These notes were printed from December 18, 1934 through January 9, 1935 and were issued by the Treasurer of the United States to Federal Reserve Banks only against an equal amount of gold bullion held by the Treasury. These notes were used for transactions between FRBs and were not circulated among the general public.





One Hundred Thousand Gold Certificate

[Undercover Owl]

11. Clinton. (nt)

[njdemocrat106]

12. Only if he became President, and then only after his passing

I hope that Kerry lives past 100, too.

[MrSlayer]

13. No, what the hell for?

Kerry is a good dude and all for the most part but what has he done to deserve being put on the money? Founding Fathers and Presidents only get put on the filthy lucre.

[ComerPerro]

14. I don't get it...

[BlueEyedSon]

16. You mean that's not him???

[Spirochete]

17. If he challenges the vice president

to a gun duel - then, maybe....

[Enraged_Ape]

18. He's already ON IT, for crying out loud

Have you actually looked at the front of a $20 bill?

[Egalitariat]

24. I think it would look strange, b/c they'd have to turn it sideways

sorry for the RW joke, but I must admit I did giggle when I heard it.

[LoZoccolo]

33. I don't get it.

Sometimes I think RW jokes are funny too (like the Che shirt that has Reagan on it instead, or Ann Coulter's comment that "liberals have finally found a drug addict that they don't like" about Rush Limbaugh), but I don't get this one.

[Egalitariat]

34. The joke is the JK's face is too long to put on the bill "as is"

so they'd have to turn the bill sideways. Sorry.

[LoZoccolo]

41. Ooooooooh OK. n/t

[semillama]

23. John Kerry should put some $20 bills in my wallet

for the couple hundred I gave to him during his campaign so he could roll over and play dead.

[TryingToWarnYou]

27. What the hell for? Let's stop trying to cannonize this guy, please.

[LoZoccolo]

31. I'm not trying to canonize this guy.

I just think it would be cool if he was on the $20 bill.

[TryingToWarnYou]

44. Ok, but Im not aware of any reason why he should be there..

What has he done to earn such a prestigious place in our culture?

[LoZoccolo]

46. See post #43.

Also, a lot of people like him better than Jackson.

[mtnsnake]

29. Should I be put on the $50 bill?

yikes

[DulceDecorum]

36. Better you than just about anyone else.

[Poppyseedman]

30. FDR, JFK come to mind way before Kerry

Kerry should make his mark on this country before his mug gets a shot to be put on any bill.

[Tacos al Carbon]

38. Silliest. Poll. Ever.

/comic book guy.

[merh]

40. Why not, babs, wife of poppy is on the $1.

She just forgot to wear her pearls when she posed for the photo. :silly:

[SheepyMcSheepster]

42. do you have any reasons why he should be on the $20 bill? eom.

[LoZoccolo]

43. Cuz he's got nunchuku skills. n/t

[ghostsofgiants]

47. Damn, now I wanna change my vote to yes!

[OneTwentyoNine]

45. Nah,put him on the $1000.00 bill. I'd see as much of him on money..

as I did after the election.

[bigwillq]

49. No

Why do we have a need to put people's faces on money? NO one really cares who's on the bills.

[CarpeVeritas]

50. why the hell for?

of course not.

[LoZoccolo]

56. See post #43. n/t

[AlienGirl]

54. I'd rather see FDR put there

[LoZoccolo]

57. He's already on the dime.

No liberal points are given for re-using an idea that someone's already used.

[JanMichael]

58. No. Should I?

I have a goatee which would be more difficult to counterfit.

[Tinoire]

60. This is more embarrassing than any "conspiracy theory"

Whatever for?

What the hell did Kerry do to even deserve being suggested for this :shrug:


Was it a vote he didn't miss that so spectacularly impressed you?

Jeez. Put Kerry on a $20 and by morning it'll be worth a buck.

[sarahlee]

61. There is a heck of a lot of work

to do to waste time on silliness like this.

Kerry hasn't DONE anything to merit being on any national currency. Be real.

[orleans]

62. uh...NO!

[RadiDem]

63. John Effing Kerry's face should be put on the THREE DOLLAR BILL

The quitter

[Carson]

65. John who?? nt